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  1. chmun77's Avatar
    Thankfully,I don't measure my life worth and value and relevance based in what apps my phone has. Much as it feels freeing to use a different platform, it also feels freeing to realize my phone is simply a phone and not being able to send stupid or perverse pics on snapchat or playing the stupidest latest game is really not that important.

    I am not going to leave an OS I like and that works well for me just so I don't fall behind on apps. Because the apps I do use,work well....and what I don't have, I dont have.

    I also prefer not to follow the leader and run to the arms of apple or google (who repeatedly screws users) and I prefer to support Microsoft, who makes it easy for people like yourself to throw a fit and still use their apps and services on non-windows platform.

    When android comes out with a phone that isn't a bunch of static icons and when apples iOS can filky connect my life the way windows 10 has so far, I may give them a look :)
    You are right that one should not measure his life with a phone. However to some, their phones is their rice bowls and tools. They need the appropriate apps to meet their jobs requirements. Windows phone is lacking more than just snapchat and some games, if you are fully aware.

    Frankly, I don't see any problem enjoying MS services on a non-windows platform. As long as I can reach to my emails / files, I'm fine. Furthermore, MS services on other platforms works much more beautifully than on WP. IMO, MS is messing with WP loyalists like yourself instead of Apple/Google. On the other hand, having a windows platform prevents me from accessing to my local banking services via their secured apps is a big NO for me.

    Sadly, Android and iOS is not doing away with static icons. Because as long as the world is fine with a bunch of static icons, those are still useful icons. On the other hand, flipping tiles is not popular at all because even MS decided to bring back the good old static iconic desktops for windows 10 instead of a big screen with a bunch of squares and rectangles. :)
    03-13-2016 06:25 AM
  2. savagelizards's Avatar
    Sadly, Android and iOS is not doing away with static icons. Because as long as the world is fine with a bunch of static icons, those are still useful icons. On the other hand, flipping tiles is not popular at all because even MS decided to bring back the good old static iconic desktops for windows 10 instead of a big screen with a bunch of squares and rectangles. :)
    I miss a lot of Windows 8.1. But there's nothing to be done. The fault with Windows 8 was allowing manufacturers to ship the OS without touchscreens. With my Surface Pro (first generation) the OS was wonderful. Still, the world pivoted in a different direction, and Microsoft (and us as users) had to adopt. This is my point about WP. How many users does it take to keep an OS alive?

    In today's global economy, an awful lot.
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    03-13-2016 06:47 AM
  3. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Loyalty to Windows Mobile means using 2 or 3 year old phones to get quality hardware, an OS that is in beta, a FB app NOT published by FB, an instagram app that is in Beta, an official Twitter app that is fair at best, no Google apps and a company that cares more about it's apps running on the other two mobile platforms than apps for it's own mobile platform. It doesn't take a PhD to see how bad of a deal that is. I guess what PT Barnum said is true.
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    03-13-2016 01:26 PM
  4. glossallalia's Avatar
    Loyalty to Windows Mobile means using 2 or 3 year old phones to get quality hardware, an OS that is in beta, a FB app NOT published by FB, an instagram app that is in Beta, an official Twitter app that is fair at best, no Google apps and a company that cares more about it's apps running on the other two mobile platforms than apps for it's own mobile platform. It doesn't take a PhD to see how bad of a deal that is. I guess what PT Barnum said is true.
    Send in the clowns
    03-13-2016 01:32 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    The fault with Windows 8 was allowing manufacturers to ship the OS without touchscreens.
    Touchscreens aren't always practical, especially on desktops. Touchscreens also raise the price, which reduces sales. While requiring touchscreens could certainly have helped the public accept tiles, it probably would have hurt the system overall, at least not helped.
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    03-13-2016 05:10 PM
  6. Nick Metro's Avatar
    Let me say it this way. Most smartphone enthusiast want the same basic qualities in their devices. Build quality, performance and functionality. Microsoft isn't anywhere near the best at any of these.
    This^^^^^^^
    03-13-2016 07:34 PM
  7. chmun77's Avatar
    Send in the clowns
    The clowns are speaking the truth and that's precious! :)
    03-13-2016 08:05 PM
  8. savagelizards's Avatar
    Touchscreens aren't always practical, especially on desktops. Touchscreens also raise the price, which reduces sales. While requiring touchscreens could certainly have helped the public accept tiles, it probably would have hurt the system overall, at least not helped.
    I guess that means that they would have shipped 8/8.1 on laptops and tablets, and left Windows 7 for desktops until they had enough market data to experiment with desktops. Which, ironically, is mostly what happened.

    The big problem with the rollout of Windows 8 was that older folks bought new Windows 8 laptops without touchscreens, usually for under $500. The user experience was terrible, but mostly because the hardware specs were so underpowered and none of the touch-screen-designed interface was any fun with a touchpad.

    With more expensive devices with touchscreens, Windows 8/8.1 was an outstanding interface. It booted quickly, was rock solid, and much faster than Windows 7. And it supported touch. Some of the Windows 8 apps were superior to their Windows 10 counterparts. The news app in particular was beautiful. With its immersive images and horizontally-scrolling, magazine-style layout, it was much better than the current grid system.
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    03-13-2016 10:30 PM
  9. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Let me say it this way. Most smartphone enthusiast want the same basic qualities in their devices. Build quality, performance and functionality. Microsoft isn't anywhere near the best at any of these.
    For you and the ones who are bugged by the 950s designs. I've always loved the polycarbonate. I am annoyed we didn't have color choices like before but I don't have any issue with build quality, performance or functionality. So for me, they are the best :)

    You are right that one should not measure his life with a phone. However to some, their phones is their rice bowls and tools. They need the appropriate apps to meet their jobs requirements. Windows phone is lacking more than just snapchat and some games, if you are fully aware.

    Frankly, I don't see any problem enjoying MS services on a non-windows platform. As long as I can reach to my emails / files, I'm fine. Furthermore, MS services on other platforms works much more beautifully than on WP. IMO, MS is messing with WP loyalists like yourself instead of Apple/Google. On the other hand, having a windows platform prevents me from accessing to my local banking services via their secured apps is a big NO for me.

    Sadly, Android and iOS is not doing away with static icons. Because as long as the world is fine with a bunch of static icons, those are still useful icons. On the other hand, flipping tiles is not popular at all because even MS decided to bring back the good old static iconic desktops for windows 10 instead of a big screen with a bunch of squares and rectangles. :)
    And I do not begrudge you for that choice either :) I personally can't see myself being happy on Android simply because having to use Android now on an Android tablet and friends/families android devices annoys me.

    I also don't notice much difference in Microsoft services/apps on the other platform that makes me so upset it doesn't have the functionality I want on WP. Skype is better but then again ever since we got SMS/Skype integration on the platform now, I actually am a lot happier.

    I guess I am lucky that my bank, for now anyways, still supports WP and there are other means for me to check my school/work stuff.

    I honestly hated that Windows 10 had to be more Android like. Such a beautiful and well-designed OS that had to conform to be more appealing to the obviously annoying masses. That said on Windows 10 desktop, I was able to make it more Win8.1. I rarely ever go to the desktop and I still have my start screen.

    Similarly on WIndows 10 mobile, I realize I can still make the phone act like a WP device.

    Hopefully Microsoft wont abandon metro to fully conform to an obviously date design(icons).

    Apple and Google really have not created anything that makes me want to use them over a windows phone. Of course, that said, if Windows phone was to be killed off...i'd choose apple as their hardware is beautiful and the OS actually feels/works nicely and is a good OS, compared to the mess that is android.
    Last edited by Nogitsune Micah; 03-14-2016 at 10:05 AM.
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    03-14-2016 08:04 AM
  10. captaincalamity's Avatar
    Response from an application developer, for an app i need to get a bus ticket locally, there response to when I asked when the app is arriving on Windows Phone.

    "Thank you for contacting us.

    The latest information is not good for Window phones:

    Tech Times state:
    The new revelations show Microsoft is lagging behind, well behind, the other smartphone makers on the market, garnering only 2.6 percent of the sector in second-quarter sales. Android accounts for 82.8 percent and Apple's iOS has around 13.9 percent of market share. The remainder of the market, according to IDC's quarterly analysis, goes to BlackBerry with 0.3 percent and other manufacturers with 0.4 percent.

    Hopefully with the new Windows software coming out there might be a surge of uptake with windows phones. I know the software company have been working on an app for Windows phones but unless our head company Go-ahead decides to go down that route, all we can do is keep pushing and hope.

    Sorry I can't be more positive."
    03-14-2016 09:35 AM
  11. crazycanucks1977's Avatar
    3 weeks ago I dropped my 1520 on the sidewalk. The glass cracked all over, but was somewhat usable. 3 options: Use my backup 830 till Surface phone comes out, Buy another 1520 or glass replacement from ebay as it would cost the same. There is no option for me as a Canadian to get a 950 or XL other than walking into the Microsoft store and buying full price.
    In the mean time while I decided what to do I popped my sim in the 830 and I hated it, no wonder it was my backup. I then popped the sim into my wife's old iPhone 5 which was still jailbroken on iOS 9. It wasn't the best phone, but since it was Jailbroken and I had my customization I wanted it worked. But it was a puny phone, but I got to using apps like Starbucks and Tim Horton's and others that are non-exsistant on WM10. Like how can there not be a Yahoo Fantasy app???? Its there on the other platforms. And these are not new apps or small dinky apps either.

    I then saw my nephews Note 5 and he loved it. My other nephew was trading his old iPhone 5s for a Galaxy S7. I started playing around with thier phones, and Andriod really has come along way with these new Samsung Phones. Even tho I hate iOS I can pick up my wife iPhone 6s and download any app or game and use it. You really do make consessions when using WM10 with the lack of apps. Yes we all know the issues there, but all of these OEM's and Microsoft can make the coolest phones, but if it doesnt have the apps with it, the average user will NOT upgrade to WM10, sad to say.
    You can see how polished the apps store on both Google and Apple really are. Whatever app you need or want to use its there. There are no waiting to see ifg the dev will release it or trying to find 3rd party apps. Its all there in either platform. Why am I not able to have a Starbucks app and pay from my phone? Why do I have to use some ****ty 3rd party app for my Yahoo Fantasy league?

    After using the 920, and 830, 1520 and WM for 4 years, I decided to get a Note 5. And there are things I dont like about it, but those get outweighed by all the good things like apps. I chose Android as you can customize how you want, and chose the Note 5 as its what a Flagship phone should look like. These new Samsung phones are just eye popping.

    I found I can install a Windows Mobile launcher on my Note 5. Will check it out and then I can have tiles on my Note 5 with all the apps I need. Best of both worlds.

    One thing I do miss is the Cortana integration over Bluetooth. I just need to find how to get my phone to read texts over BT
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    03-15-2016 01:58 PM
  12. JasonG83's Avatar
    I started with WP7 on a Samsung Focus S (coming from Blackberry), and I was in love. I continued through a Lumia 920, and still loved it. After my 920 died, I did a stint with a Lumia 535 to hold me over until the next big Windows Phone. However, the wait was long. And during that time, I began to miss out on more an more apps, and some of my primary apps (like BofA) began to disappear. When the Lumia 950 came out, I bought into the Windows 10 hype, and decided to give Microsoft one last try. However, I was sorely disappointed. The hardware and interface were still great, but the apps still sucked, and the failure to include MirrorLink support was unforgivable (especially since the only useful implementation of the much-hyped Continuum would have been in-car).

    I have now switched to iPhone 6s. And I miss Windows Phone desperately. The iPhone apps really are light-years ahead of WP, and for that reason, I have to stay with Apple. But the UI sucks, and Siri is grossly inferior to Cortana. Text message over bluetooth doesn't work, and I no longer have the seamless, hands-free text implementation of Cortana. Even CarPlay sucks, because you have to see a text message notification on the screen, and then interact with the screen to get Siri to read the message (so dumb).

    If anything, this was the most frustrating thing about owning a Windows Phone. Microsoft was INCAPABLE of marketing or capitalizing on the aspects of the phone that were superior to the competition. And it even abandoned many of its distinguishing (and useful) features, like hubs, and social media integration (I know, not their fault, but it's Microsoft forgodsake, they can afford to license whatever tech they want). In the end, Microsoft has a superior product, but has been reduced to irrelevancy, by its own failure to market that product. If they can't even keep their biggest fans (like me), I don't see a path forward. Though I would love to be proven wrong.
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    03-15-2016 04:16 PM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I started with WP7 on a Samsung Focus S (coming from Blackberry), and I was in love. I continued through a Lumia 920, and still loved it. After my 920 died, I did a stint with a Lumia 535 to hold me over until the next big Windows Phone. However, the wait was long. And during that time, I began to miss out on more an more apps, and some of my primary apps (like BofA) began to disappear. When the Lumia 950 came out, I bought into the Windows 10 hype, and decided to give Microsoft one last try. However, I was sorely disappointed. The hardware and interface were still great, but the apps still sucked, and the failure to include MirrorLink support was unforgivable (especially since the only useful implementation of the much-hyped Continuum would have been in-car).

    I have now switched to iPhone 6s. And I miss Windows Phone desperately. The iPhone apps really are light-years ahead of WP, and for that reason, I have to stay with Apple. But the UI sucks, and Siri is grossly inferior to Cortana. Text message over bluetooth doesn't work, and I no longer have the seamless, hands-free text implementation of Cortana. Even CarPlay sucks, because you have to see a text message notification on the screen, and then interact with the screen to get Siri to read the message (so dumb).

    If anything, this was the most frustrating thing about owning a Windows Phone. Microsoft was INCAPABLE of marketing or capitalizing on the aspects of the phone that were superior to the competition. And it even abandoned many of its distinguishing (and useful) features, like hubs, and social media integration (I know, not their fault, but it's Microsoft forgodsake, they can afford to license whatever tech they want). In the end, Microsoft has a superior product, but has been reduced to irrelevancy, by its own failure to market that product. If they can't even keep their biggest fans (like me), I don't see a path forward. Though I would love to be proven wrong.
    Thankfully this big fan is still happy ;)
    IOS isn't bad though. I actually like the OS but I share some of the same sentiments you have against IOS. It's the only other os worth checking out if someone leaves windows.

    I wish Microsoft would adopt Apple mentality with their products. Hopefully Microsoft manages to win you back over and you can rejoin us :)
    03-15-2016 04:44 PM
  14. sd4f's Avatar
    I'm thinking about what I replace my phone with. After seeing here suite call it quits days ago, which is a really great suite of apps, and mixradio shutting down, which I liked quite a lot, well, I think it's over.

    I've settled that I'm probably only going to change when my phone is either dead, or so old that it's no longer useful. But, I can clearly see that not only are developers not supporting the platform, good apps are now going, MS apps are not even being supported well. It's starting to look like a disaster. It appears like as if MS have decided to pull the plug, but doing the bare minimum to make it seem like as if it's still going.

    Real shame, cause I really like the UI, I've enjoyed the platform, I've had android and I know why I don't want to use android. With that said, if the 'surface phone' is their next hope, it's going to flop in a very similar fashion to WP; it just won't get the momentum to attract the user base in a repetition of a chicken vs egg scenario all over again, since it won't have the users, as the apps won't be there, meanwhile, the devs won't develop apps since the users aren't there.
    03-15-2016 11:06 PM
  15. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    While I understand and don't begrudge people for switching, this despair and apocalyptic sounding posts are amusing to me more so than people who are amused that windows phone still has fans.

    Everyone has basically become a conformist and just accepts android and apple as our only options and darn Microsoft should they try something new.

    And have all basically stated that Microsoft can never and will never be successful and there is no hope now.

    Like I said, people call the remaining wp fans as delusional or sad. But I find it more sad, if not pitiful, that people truly are okay with less and less options and ui/design seemingly being the same and any product that comes out that is different from the big two is bad.
    03-16-2016 02:22 AM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    While I understand and don't begrudge people for switching, this despair and apocalyptic sounding posts are amusing to me more so than people who are amused that windows phone still has fans.

    Everyone has basically become a conformist and just accepts android and apple as our only options and darn Microsoft should they try something new.

    And have all basically stated that Microsoft can never and will never be successful and there is no hope now.

    Like I said, people call the remaining wp fans as delusional or sad. But I find it more sad, if not pitiful, that people truly are okay with less and less options and ui/design seemingly being the same and any product that comes out that is different from the big two is bad.
    I feel that more options are better for consumers. I'd like to see Windows 10 Mobile, BlackBerry 10, Tizen, Sailfish, Ubuntu, and other platforms all succeed.

    I really believe that the big issue is about the apps (or lack thereof), not the UI/design. If every platform had the same number and quality of apps, then I feel that more people would embrace platforms other than iOS/Android.
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    03-16-2016 02:31 AM
  17. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I feel that more options are better for consumers. I'd like to see Windows 10 Mobile, BlackBerry 10, Tizen, Sailfish, Ubuntu, and other platforms all succeed.

    I really believe that the big issue is about the apps (or lack thereof), not the UI/design. If every platform had the same number and quality of apps, then I feel that more people would embrace platforms other than iOS/Android.
    As of late the complaints are about the design/ui of windows phone and how people.want it to be more like android.
    03-16-2016 06:47 AM
  18. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    As of late the complaints are about the design/ui of windows phone and how people.want it to be more like android.
    No. The complaints I've seen, are that Microsoft is ruining the UI with an inconsistent UI experience. Adding the horrible hamburger menu and other copying of the various android variants.
    03-17-2016 01:27 AM
  19. shoxart's Avatar
    Hello and bye bye to Windows Mobile Phone. I used Lumia 630 almost a year but internet explorer crash and back to main menu a lot of times per day. It's no use to use this phone to read a web for Me. Lumia, nice phone, but system, farewell friends, i buy Android now. :).
    03-17-2016 05:28 AM
  20. Iron_Wraith's Avatar
    -Possible long and unentertaining post ahead. You've been warned :)

    My first smart phone was the HTC Touch Pro 2 running WinMo 6.1 and later 6.5. I really enjoyed the phone as it felt like a mini laptop to me. I became a ROM flashing maniac. After playing with an iPhone and a coworkers HTC Hero i ended up going with the EVO 4G on Sprint when it came out. I kept the phone 2 years, liked it even better. I stayed on android with the HTC One X, HTC One M7. After Windows 7 and 8 for phones had been released I had always been wanted to try them. I professed my admiration to others about the GUI etc. and even toyed with the available Windows launchers on my M7. I began to dislike Google for their prying "marketing" model. I had always disliked Apple for "inventing" everything and their rabid patent infringement cases, so when the Nokia Icon dropped i had my eye on it for a few months. I sold the M7 to a coworker and finally went Windows.

    With the Icon i enjoyed the interface after the 8.1 upgrade. The stark clean headers and sms app was the highlights for me. The things i was a bit putoff on initially was the thickness which felt as bricky as the EVO 4G from years before and i was shocked the battery life was really no better than the M7 i replaced it with.

    The love wouldn't last however. I don't blame it all on the platform as I do tend to get bored easily with my phones. The disheartening things were lack of apps (bet nobody has heard that complaint before), live tiles, RESUMING, Microsoft's commitment to OTHER platforms, their lack of commitment to project Astoria, slow camera, crashing browser, occasional freezes/unresponsive screen.

    On the subject of live tiles, it's sometimes the little things that made me scratch my head. Like, why do i have a purple camera app tile that looks so out of place on my homescreen with the transparent ones. Had it been a third party app i could have at least pardoned it.
    On the subject of apps, I'm not a heavy app person or didn't consider myself to be. I have 11 apps installed that didn't come with the S7 and there's 3-4 more I will get around to installing. As others have stated there's just not a good alternative Windows App vs Android or iOs and often no choice at all. If Microsoft really wants to play in the smart phone market they need to do whatever they can for apps be it have their own team of developers or subsidize third party apps. The amount of garbage pretending to be legitimate apps seemed to increase the past 3 months or so also.

    Windows 10 - i tried a couple of the early releases. No surprise that they were unstable due to the nature of beta software. After trying the rc version and still had "resuming" and a hanging camera app i never tried another. Microsoft announced Astora wouldn't be happening anytime soon and at that point i made up my mind i would be going to the iPhone or back to Android.

    I ordered the S7 when preorders went live. First Samsung phone for me and so far I like it better than any phone before other than my enthrallment with the Touch Pro 2. Had the iPhone 6S Plus 64GB been slightly skinnier and more price friendly i would have went that route as I've never been a Samsung fan either. So far the S7 is smooth as can be no matter how many apps I've opened. So far my only gripe with the S7 is Google of course. They push the Google+ account on you for games or app ratings and of course I feel a bit less secure than i did with Microsoft.

    I really do hope now as much as i ever have that Microsoft becomes a viable competitor in all aspects with their mobile platform. For those that have everything the want / need with Windows Phone, my hat is off to you and keep using it.

    Cheers all. Thanks for having me before now and I'll be lurking about as always following what I hope to be progress with the platform.

    Happy St. Patrick's Day btw :)
    03-17-2016 12:17 PM
  21. sd4f's Avatar
    I really want the platform to keep on going. The problem is of late, we're just hearing mostly bad news, new products are failing, apps are now shutting down and companies closing.

    The fallout from nokia leaving is huge, and all I see now is that the platform is not going anywhere, it's kind of chugging along, almost like as if MS is doing the bare minimum to make it appear like as if they're supporting it, but secretly they've already pulled the plug.

    Either MS is going to have to take up the slack and start providing heaps of first party services to make up for the losses, or forget about it. The here suite is an example where on the other platforms, you more or less get that sort of stuff out of the box, included with your device. GPS and maps is basic functionality for a smartphone now that's why Apple and Google put a lot of effort into theirs. Here suite was also excellent, so I think MS should just take it over and integrate it into bing maps or something, seeing as they're already licensing the maps.

    Will they do it? Who knows. Will they have a timely alternative, almost definitely not. I think the time has come where this year will really show whether MS has pulled the plug or not. From what I read, W10M is buggy, and now there's quite a few reasons to avoid an "upgrade".
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    03-17-2016 06:27 PM
  22. broar94's Avatar
    I just updated my phone to Windows10Mob (official build), everything looks nice and fancy. I wish the platform succeeds, more developers coming on board and more people buying so we'd have a third middle OS to depend on.
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    03-17-2016 10:58 PM
  23. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    I've finally had enough, I put up with no upgrade from 7.5, the big app gap with 8.0 and 8.1, upgraded to Windows 10 insider on my M8 and loved it, and now they are saying I will not be getting anymore updates and no Redstone. Microsoft you have let me down for the last time, I'm tired of defending you, tired of no Local or Banking app's, Time to move on, Android or Apple, here I come.
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    03-18-2016 01:59 AM
  24. farukdgn's Avatar
    Lumia 920 was a flagship and only received 1 big update (if you count 8 -> 8.1 as a big update). This is even worse than Android.
    "All 8.1 devices will receive Windows 10 update!!" -Microsoft
    What happened?
    Leave Windows Phone now if you don't want to suffer more until it's dead.
    03-18-2016 05:57 AM
  25. Erfan226's Avatar
    Lumia 920 was a flagship and only received 1 big update (if you count 8 -> 8.1 as a big update). This is even worse than Android.
    "All 8.1 devices will receive Windows 10 update!!" -Microsoft
    What happened?
    Leave Windows Phone now if you don't want to suffer more until it's dead.
    Devices with 1 gig ram will receive update in second wave...
    android sucks btw
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    03-18-2016 06:10 AM
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