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  1. FredW3's Avatar
    I have always been a windows phone fan. All the way back to the Samsung Blackjack. And then through windows 7, 7.1, 8, 8.1, and then WM10. Sure, I didn't have the apps, but most of that stuff is available over the Internet. Windows phone 8 was incredible, and so easy to use. My job requires me to be reachable by phone at all times, so when the 1520 started having battery issues, I jumped on the 950. Major disappointment. I would lose my signal and not know about it for hours. Once I noticed it, turning the phone off and back on would get the signal back, but I was not reachable for who knows how long. Got a replacement phone, same issues. Sadly, I had to go back to at&t and cough up $300 to get eligible for an upgrade, and got the S7. WM10 is just not stable yet, and Cortana is crippled (try saying 'play the beatles' under WM10, under 8.1 she would play the music from your library). I hated leaving what is, to me, the best concept for a phone OS, but I needed the stability. I don't know if I want to trust MS enough to go back, if and when the problems are fixed. As it stands, I am locked into the S7 for 2 years anyway.
    03-30-2016 05:33 PM
  2. salazka's Avatar
    I will be heading to iOS if by October I don't see a serious mobile desktop from the Surface line.
    03-30-2016 07:07 PM
  3. dby2011's Avatar
    FYI Android Marshmellow adds sdcard support for apps. The sdcard is formatted and merged with the phone's internal memory. I believe Samsung did not enable this feature but the pure versions of Android on the Nexus and Motorola phones allow it.
    03-30-2016 08:07 PM
  4. chmun77's Avatar
    Games depends on GPU, normal app performances, especially when it comes to waking up from standby and refreshing from the background depends on CPU and RAM, not GPU. Your comparison is dumb by comparing an entry level phone with the lowest amount of RAM and the slowest CPU to two top of the line highend flagships - with the iPhone 6+ still easily dominating in single thread execution performance over other Android flagships (THE most important factor for crunching everyday apps). End of. Also Xiaomi excels at selling highend spec phones for bargain prices (eg selling flagship at other competitions midrange price, midrange spec at rivals entry level price etc), so raising that as somehow "proof" of your argument is doubly dumb.

    I have a 950XL which I can run against a high end Xperia Z4 tablet, a Sharp SH-02G phone (it has a SD801 and 3G of RAM) and an iPad Air 2 - they are all my own devices and all set up to access my MS stuff (I live in MS ecosystem - I use Outlook mail, OneDrive etc) - and I can tell you the MS apps runs just as well on my 950XL as the Android and iOS versions. Actually the Sharp runs the slowest because it is bog down by unoptimized OEM bloat after 1 year of usage.

    What I find is that the MS apps aren't "better" on the other devices - they are roughly equal - in fact I can say Outlook and Calendar is best on W10M, just like MS promised. It's the third party "essentials" like Twitter and Facebook that blows on W10M and that's what's dragging down the ecosystem and makes it hard to stay or get people to switch.
    C'mon. Games do not ONLY depending on GPU. CPU plays and important parts as well. CPU are used for lots of maths calculations in the games. That's why having a better CPU will not bottleneck the GPU so much. Your logic is already flawed from the very beginning and I'm not comparing games between different hardware.

    Since you have a 950, try comparing starting apps on a budgeted 640 XL. I can tell you both are performing about the same when comes to apps performances, especially for the MS developed apps. That's why people are saying that Windows phone are supposed to be more efficient when comes to apps, regardless of hardware. Personally, I have compared a 1520 against Note 4 and IP6s+ and I can tell you apps are performing much better on the other platforms. Everything is just much snappier as well.
    03-30-2016 09:10 PM
  5. chmun77's Avatar
    I used to have this opinion of Android by thinking it was "lagdroid" but my Note 5, especially on 6.01, has been nothing of the short.
    Likewise on my Note 4. Been more than a year of usage and it is still blazing fast. I'm going to get the new Xiaomi Note 3 soon which is running only a SD650. A very value for money model. Android has come a long way and since after KitKat, there is no more "lagdroid". For those who think or used a lagging Android before, I think is best for you not to touch Android since you are just not into it anyways.
    03-30-2016 09:15 PM
  6. Nam Long's Avatar
    I'm currently using L520 running Build 10586 and to be honest , next one will be an Android .
    Reason being the Windows 10 Mobile itself where app is unavailable or unsupported , lack of feature and the way Microsoft going with windows mobile ( not a focus in this year ) . Back then i choose this over a Samsung android with 512 RAM because of the simplicity in design , the beauty of UI and because of promised smooth experience . I don't regret the choice but i do wonder could it be better ? I mean what is the point of smoothness or beautiful design if it can't do anything ( lack of app ) . I restrain myself from gaming or using app by using web instead , hoping one day it would be saved , especially with the W10M update promise . But today i realize i was wrong , no more supports for my phone ( not getting 10 ) which left me appless in the new dawn of UWP app , still no app i need . Using preview has it peak as the performance is just not good and Microsoft decide to stop giving update at this point at least for my unsupported device . With the direction the OS is going , there are hope for the app gap problem but i won't risk my money on "promises" . Next time it will be something exists , something being available , not "Soon" . And it will be the Android
    03-30-2016 09:34 PM
  7. pulkit10's Avatar
    I'm heading that way soon too because Microsoft just can't be bothered with a clear strategy. They try something for a few months then scrap it if it doesn't meet expectations. Way too fragmented a strategy to have in this space and especially when you're starting behind.

    I still don't like Android. Say what you will about the "lagdroid" thing and it certainly has come a long way but issues still persist. A family member's Note 5 resets some games automatically and is tragically slow. The whole experience still has that clutter from 5 years ago when Android initially launched. I like Sony's offerings but not sure how much I'll enjoy it a few months down the road.

    So it'll probably be the iPhone. Microsoft makes great apps for that platform and Apple does a great job of keeping the user interface consistent. Anyone has any experience here?
    03-30-2016 09:54 PM
  8. Timbre70's Avatar
    Can someone share their experience and tips for migrating from WP to iPhone? Especially on migration of contacts. I know Apple store has an app for those migrating from Android, how about WP?
    03-30-2016 10:19 PM
  9. Auric Jarrel's Avatar
    All of the Microsoft apps are excellent and equal to or better than the Windows Phone apps. Outlook for sure is better. Groove, however, on Android at least, is bad. Very archaic with no fast forward or music scrubbing and no updates since September. I've had to move to Google Music/Spotify for now (especially since Spotify works on Amazon Echo.)
    That's disappointing about Groove. I think that would be the only thing holding me back from converting. Having access to my entire music collection is huge for me.
    03-30-2016 10:30 PM
  10. FaisalST32's Avatar
    Had high expectations of BUILD 2016. Was hoping for Windows 10 mobile to get a lot of love. But Microsoft disappointed big time. Virtually no mention of Windows 10 mobile. Since, Microsoft has decided to abandon Windows 10 mobile, it only makes sense that users, like myself, do the same too. Getting an Android soon. Will miss ya!!
    03-30-2016 10:31 PM
  11. libra89's Avatar
    I'm heading that way soon too because Microsoft just can't be bothered with a clear strategy. They try something for a few months then scrap it if it doesn't meet expectations. Way too fragmented a strategy to have in this space and especially when you're starting behind.

    I still don't like Android. Say what you will about the "lagdroid" thing and it certainly has come a long way but issues still persist. A family member's Note 5 resets some games automatically and is tragically slow. The whole experience still has that clutter from 5 years ago when Android initially launched. I like Sony's offerings but not sure how much I'll enjoy it a few months down the road.

    So it'll probably be the iPhone. Microsoft makes great apps for that platform and Apple does a great job of keeping the user interface consistent. Anyone has any experience here?
    iOS has been great for me. I do agree that they keep the user interface consistent. Even though I am on iOS, I use Outlook for emails, and I backup my photos to OneDrive. Also recently, I learned that even if I use Outlook for my mail and contacts (which you can do by the way), I also have the option to save new contacts to my outlook and it updates very fast.

    Can someone share their experience and tips for migrating from WP to iPhone? Especially on migration of contacts. I know Apple store has an app for those migrating from Android, how about WP?
    There's an article on iMore right now by our own Richard Devine on how to do it. http://www.imore.com/how-switch-windows-phone-iphone
    Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to transfer text messages. However, when you set up, you have the option to choose where to add contacts, like the article shows. It will restore all of your Outlook contacts, every single one!
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    03-30-2016 10:32 PM
  12. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    ...
    Apple does a great job of keeping the user interface consistent.
    Apple phone reminds me of Windows XP. Those icons work. I just don't like those rounded icons. The chiclet style seems outdated to me. I suppose, it's a matter of personal taste. I never understood why some people disliked the Windows Phone tiles. Something new.

    Just my opinion.

    Best wishes.
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    03-30-2016 10:33 PM
  13. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    FYI Android Marshmellow adds sdcard support for apps. The sdcard is formatted and merged with the phone's internal memory. I believe Samsung did not enable this feature but the pure versions of Android on the Nexus and Motorola phones allow it.
    Nexus devices do not have SD card slots.

    Moto does support adoptable storage on its current line with Marshmallow.
    03-30-2016 10:35 PM
  14. Cloudscout's Avatar
    I was hoping today would be the day that Microsoft would announce a big push to get W10 mobile polished up for general use. My 950XL has felt like an alpha-quality device since it was released. Instead, Microsoft has made it appear as if they're backing away from the platform. So I took advantage of the deal that B&H had on the unlocked Xperia Z3 today for $249. It pains me to give up the elegant Live Tile interface but I want stability, battery life and a GROWING app catalog rather than the SHRINKING app catalog on Windows phones. I hope I'm wrong. I'll happily return to the platform if Microsoft starts taking it seriously. They've gone back to the drawing board too many times over the last 5 years, though, Windows Mobile, WP7, WP8 and W10M. They just don't know how to execute a single mobile platform strategy.
    Laura Knotek and libra89 like this.
    03-30-2016 11:05 PM
  15. RichardAZ's Avatar
    WP is obviously not Satya's priority. Not that I can argue from a business perspecteive, since this strategy is working, but it really does suck for WP enthusiasts. I really like the interface, but I'm kind of tired of nothing working. Crashes and bugs and inferior apps (or even completely missing like YouTube). I've reached my breaking point, probably going to get some crappy unlocked Android when my 1520 breaks. Sad, the excitement when the 1020 came out. It's all kind of been downhill since then :(
    03-30-2016 11:47 PM
  16. MankyBRG's Avatar
    Groove has been hugely disappointing since it's appearance on W10 and doesn't function anywhere near as nicely as Xbox Music used to & random reboots are common, as are app crashes. Wordflow is very hit and miss and once again functioned much better on 8.1. I also see "Resuming ..." and "Loading ... " way more than I care to.

    There is a lot to love with W10 on mobile but I've been not feeling much love for my 950 lately. The device itself just feels outdated seeing everything else on the market these days, especially in terms of thickness and weight. The big factor for me though is battery life. I can't even make it through a work day, like my battery has less than half left by lunch time.

    Things don't look to be changing in any hurry either, especially given the comments at Build. With my mobile contract up for renewal I made the call to grab a Galaxy S7 and give it a whirl. I've been on iOS and Android many years ago and while I think iOS is the best as far as apps go, I just hate everything about the OS in general and how non personalised it is.

    I really hope MS can get their act together and get the mobile platform back on track but for now I'll be testing out the waters of Android and seeing how that fairs. Also get to play with the new Gear VR which was being offered for free :) Might jump back if the rumoured Surface Phone shows up later this year.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    03-31-2016 12:57 AM
  17. chmun77's Avatar
    I'm heading that way soon too because Microsoft just can't be bothered with a clear strategy. They try something for a few months then scrap it if it doesn't meet expectations. Way too fragmented a strategy to have in this space and especially when you're starting behind.

    I still don't like Android. Say what you will about the "lagdroid" thing and it certainly has come a long way but issues still persist. A family member's Note 5 resets some games automatically and is tragically slow. The whole experience still has that clutter from 5 years ago when Android initially launched. I like Sony's offerings but not sure how much I'll enjoy it a few months down the road.

    So it'll probably be the iPhone. Microsoft makes great apps for that platform and Apple does a great job of keeping the user interface consistent. Anyone has any experience here?
    Just curious, when you say "The whole experience still has that clutter from 5 years ago when Android initially launched." what exactly is bothering you? Both iOS and Android are iconic based UI so I guess home screens will not be the issue for you. That being said, if you are into iPhone, why not try Xiaomi Android phones? Its MIUI is very iOS themed and phones like the upcoming Note 3 is quite a value for money model.
    03-31-2016 02:33 AM
  18. jonahtrav's Avatar
    Can't Microsoft chew gum and walk at the same time? So mobile isn't their main focus right now , but they can't put any energy into it. I finally gave up my 920 to a friend's daughter as she loves taking pictures. I've been using a 640 and a newly gotten s6 active that lasts all day and has all the apps you could want...I really enjoyed using my 920 for three years and was planning on getting a 950 when it came out ,but Microsoft's attitude/strategy with W10 mobile and how it's been in beta form has left me getting an android phone. If the fans start leaving the platform who will be left? I'll keep updating my 640 with W10 and see how it goes...which from what I've been reading on forums like this I am not the only one playing the waiting game.
    03-31-2016 02:48 AM
  19. Guytronic's Avatar
    Can't Microsoft chew gum and walk at the same time? So mobile isn't their main focus right now , but they can't put any energy into it. I finally gave up my 920 to a friend's daughter as she loves taking pictures. I've been using a 640 and a newly gotten s6 active that lasts all day and has all the apps you could want...I really enjoyed using my 920 for three years and was planning on getting a 950 when it came out ,but Microsoft's attitude/strategy with W10 mobile and how it's been in beta form has left me getting an android phone. If the fans start leaving the platform who will be left? I'll keep updating my 640 with W10 and see how it goes...which from what I've been reading on forums like this I am not the only one playing the waiting game.
    Actually a great reply.
    Gets to the nuts and bolts in few words.
    I dig replies like this one.
    Thumbs up for this.
    03-31-2016 02:54 AM
  20. Draganta's Avatar
    That's disappointing about Groove. I think that would be the only thing holding me back from converting. Having access to my entire music collection is huge for me.
    Thank god I only had 2 purchased albums so far in Groove... I tried it on my iPhone, but I can't even sync my music with it, it just gives an error, even with good connection, while Apple Music downloads entire albums without any problems... So strange, all other MS apps are great on iOS, but Groove is garbage. I am glad though I could add the purchased albums from Groove to Apple Music on my pc, that is a big plus for Groove music (I think it's DRM free).
    03-31-2016 03:49 AM
  21. Rellek's Avatar
    I've owned a HTC Mozart, Huwaii W1, Nokia Lumia 920 and now Lumia 950, since 2010 a loyal user, but I'm switching to iPhone, I'm done with it.
    Spending 600euro's for an OS what's gotten worse instead of better and faster just sucks.

    My comparison with WP8.1:
    MS Mobile 10 feels slow and unreliable
    Features are missing (where the *** is panorama with my superdeluxe camera?)
    It's buggy: spontanius reboots, never had that with WP8.1
    Updates are coming so slooooow
    Support is disappointing (don't take much serious with their universal solution: "Try a software reset")
    Apps are getting worse and less instead of better and more over the years

    If you like waiting for features that may never come and being a guinea pig using a beta OS, MS Mobile 10 is the way to go.
    03-31-2016 04:06 AM
  22. permo's Avatar
    Hey all!
    I am a WP-user since 920 and walked through a 1520 and now 950XL. With the build Redstone 14295 most functioning good. The only app that troubles me is the MarineTraffic that crashes every time. Beside that all is working very well and are looking optimistic about the coming updates. Even if MS Build 16 not comment on WM there will be focus on the mobile OS; I believe and agreed with many on this forum that hardware development will be fased out but the software will still be developted. Still I am very pleased with my 950XL and don't regret buying it at all. It is a great device and the apps I want to use is there except Snapchat and that don't bother me at all! But I do understand people that is leaving WM because of troubling devices and lack of apps- but I also ask for those critisising WM that there are people that love their WM- devices and think their devices are great! Thanks!
    03-31-2016 04:16 AM
  23. scampbird's Avatar
    I'm a 1020 user right now, having had 920 and various HTC Windows Phones. I'm done, Myerson's comments from Build were further confirmation that I need to switch fairly soon. I will be going to Android, which is the lesser of the two evils available to me IMO.

    I feel the whole Windows 10 strategy is in tatters. Nobody asked for rapid-cadence operating system releases. People want stable OSs that work properly. By all means add app features, but updating the core OS every few months is insane and appears to have given them the excuse to release any old shoddy cr*p whilst telling users "don't worry, we'll fix it later". Muppets.
    03-31-2016 05:03 AM
  24. sanjaypal's Avatar
    Very great reply.
    Actually I am also in dilemma to switching to Android but I really don't want to leave WP but very much disappointed from WP.
    03-31-2016 05:09 AM
  25. ioioos's Avatar
    Well, 24 hours is a long time in tech.

    Yesterday, I was in a dilemma as to whether to stay the course with Win 10 Mobile, but the talk at Build has made my mind up.

    When one of the biggest Companies in the world says its not focussing on its mobile phone platform right now, its basically giving up without wanting to lose face and say it. They have more than enough resources (or partners) to carry the line forward, but they have simply chosen not to.

    They clearly don't want to concede defeat, but their actions (or lack of) speak volumes. 'Mobile First' clearly means cross platform, and not Lumia. They gave more screen presence to android/ios than they did to Win 10 mobile. Couple that with the lack of marketing for the Lumia lines and its obvious its a dead end they don't want to admit to.

    MS mobile solutions will live on, but its clearly going to be cross platform app based and not hardware. I'm sure the Surface Phone will emerge, but I think it will be sold as a pocket computer solution in a similar vein to the Elite or higher, but I think the dream of Win 10 mobile being the '3rd mobile phone OS' is over. MS can simply take the revenue from Nokia patents and software solutions. In a way, its going back to what they did best.

    I think those that are happy with their 950's and app selection have nothing to worry about (its still a good phone). I don't see MS pulling the rug, I just don't see them trying to play catch up in hardware and apps.

    I think, sadly, I'll be jumping ship today. I hope I'll jump back one day, but it depends where the long term strategy takes them. I don't need my phone to be a mobile computer solution, I need it to be a smartphone.
    03-31-2016 05:41 AM
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