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  1. werner6769's Avatar
    Unbelievably bad decisions were made. Windows 10 mobile should never have been released being so buggy. This has made horrible first impressions for potential new customers and demoralized the current users. Not upgrading all devices has angered many. Stating that the platform is not a priority doesn't help. Services like Skype have no clear direction, three half baked apps on windows 10 that can't even send or receive pictures and a desktop client. Now another modern one being developed? Onedrive losing modern app in w10. Making better apps on competing platforms, I'll stop there.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    04-14-2016 12:41 AM
  2. Remco Bakker's Avatar
    I actually did that only a couple of days ago. My L925 broke and while I'm having it fixed (yes....I'm having a two year old phone fixed...) I took and old Android phone (Sony xperia T) that was stuck at the bottem of a drawer and Microsdoft-ified it the best I could. Arrow launcher, NEXT lockscreen, Outlook etc. And I must admit the experience isn't half bad...just feels like cheating in some weird way. And started reading Android Central as wel because I'm thinking of sitting this batch of Lumia's out. W10M is definately not ready (colleague of mine has an L950) and I'm propbably going to buy me an Android and see what MS will have on offer early 2017. If the phones then are worthy by then, I will swicth back in a heartbeat!
    MistrWashington likes this.
    04-14-2016 01:03 AM
  3. MistrWashington's Avatar
    The Nexus 6P and 5X do not have wireless charging I'm afraid. The previous versions did I think. The 5x was and still might be the phone I pick if I move but the lack of wireless charging sucks. Once you get used to it, its going to be hard to go without. I'm also weighing my need for wifi calling which will really limit my choices since I'm on Verizon.
    Yup. Current Nexus line removed wireless charging. That's why I haven't switched yet. The hardware features are very important to me if I'm gonna go Android. And at this point I'm well invested emotionally in the 950 hardware (more so than the W10 Mobile OS), enough that my next phone has to have the equivalent or better. Also, would rather wait till Android N. That gives me (Microsoft) till like Q4 to right the ship with W10 Mobile.
    04-14-2016 08:14 AM
  4. MistrWashington's Avatar
    I actually did that only a couple of days ago. My L925 broke and while I'm having it fixed (yes....I'm having a two year old phone fixed...) I took and old Android phone (Sony xperia T) that was stuck at the bottem of a drawer and Microsdoft-ified it the best I could. Arrow launcher, NEXT lockscreen, Outlook etc. And I must admit the experience isn't half bad...just feels like cheating in some weird way. And started reading Android Central as wel because I'm thinking of sitting this batch of Lumia's out. W10M is definately not ready (colleague of mine has an L950) and I'm propbably going to buy me an Android and see what MS will have on offer early 2017. If the phones then are worthy by then, I will swicth back in a heartbeat!
    "Not half bad" would be a compliment to my W10 Mobile experience on my 950. Hearing that from a fellow MS fan, well that makes me all the more willing to switch, if my wants are met.Also, all bias aside - Windows Central is a better website/community than Android Central - from my week long experiment on the other side of the fence.
    04-14-2016 08:18 AM
  5. sheldon cohn's Avatar
    I'm wondering if I move my BLU WIN HD LTE 150q to insider ring, will I be able to get the build 14295.1000 that's on my 950 XL? Both phones are dual SIMs. Right now the BLU phone is on Windows 10, with 10586.218
    04-14-2016 08:33 AM
  6. jeff92k7's Avatar
    Just got my new iPhone 6s plus yesterday to replace my Lumia 1520. It's very interesting to me that a lot of the hardware specs are similar between the three year old 1520 and 6 month old iPhone 6s plus, yet the performance of the 6s plus is like night and day better. Everything is smooth and fluid. I have yet to have any app crash, hang on opening, or fail to update (all of which happened constantly on the 1520).

    There are nicer things too, like Apple Pay. I used softcard during that ever so brief period where it actually worked on Windows phone before Google bought them and killed the Windows phone app. It's nice to be able to use my phone for payment again and now with much wider support. The fingerprint/TouchID thing is way cool. I didn't realize how cool that would be until I used it. Not having to type my phone password to unlock my phone every time is just awesome. ...and the apps, oh the glorious apps. I missed you and didn't even realize it. I thought I wouldn't miss the apps when I switched to the 1520, but coming back is like a joyous celebration to have all the apps available again. I'm incredibly surprised at how much better Microsoft's own apps are over the WP versions. I knew they were better, but this is ridiculous as to how bad the WP versions are, now that I've seen the iOS versions.

    Even the size is nice. It's ever so slightly smaller but yet feels a lot smaller in my pocket. Even with a leather case (apple brand) on it, it's about the same thickness as the 1520. Even slightly less when you consider the camera bulge on the 1520.

    Granted, there are some things I will miss. I will miss the Glance screen and double tap to wake, as well as the physical camera button. I will miss the better cortana integration (though siri is growing on me). And I will miss the Cortana abilities of my MS band (slightly).

    If MS ever gets their act together on Mobile, I may be back, but for now it's just nowhere near good enough for me.
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    04-14-2016 09:56 AM
  7. SafeSchoolsCzar's Avatar
    After 17 years of PDA's/Phones with Windows CE through W10M, I just activated my first non-Microsoft powered phone since I had a flip phone. I started with a Casio PDA, moved on to multiple Toshiba PDA's, followed by a Dell Axim and I've been on some form of Windows OS smart phones ever since.

    There are several reasons why I left. The primary reason is only Verizon consistently works in my home town. As a remote employee, my cell has to work 100% of the time. I was betrayed with the Icon. We were supposed to get 8.1, never did but got 8.1.1 soon after it came out. We were supposed to get 8.1.2 but never did, same goes with W10M. The last straw for me was when they removed the Icon from the upgrade list. My Verizon choice was to go with a 735, LG Lancet or HTC M8. I always get flagship phones and while the M8 may be one, it's old and not on the W10M path.

    I started shopping the day after it was announced that the Icon was not getting upgrades and spent a lot of time trying to decide. In the end, I went with the iPhone 6s Plus with 128gb. I honestly thought the Samsung S7 Edge was a nicer device and not as locked down, but I have no confidence in the Google Play store. I don't think they care who does what in a APK file and it the Wild West of app stores in my opinion.

    When I say it's a sad day, it truly is, I'm not a iPhone fan and the OS is incredibly locked down and boring, but there were some apps I just had to have and it may sound nuts, but Waze was my top priority. I drive all over the country carting around my travel hockey playing son and there's nothing better than Waze and it's the only navigation app that lets you know where the police are.

    Anyway...I'm not completely leaving, I still have my Yoga 3 Pro with Win10 Pro and I'm keeping my 640 Go Phone that I'll keep upgrading in Preview, and my Band 2. I really hope to be back some day, but for now, I'm jumping ship. If MS comes back to Verizon with a flagship phone I'll be back, but for now, I'm on the dark side.
    04-14-2016 10:01 AM
  8. Jason Gilbert's Avatar
    [*]the notification center. I couldn't stand having to forcibly click on live tiles AFTER responding to the notification on WP8.1 just to get things to refresh. I couldn't stand having little to no authority for notifications on the Galaxy - if they're there then my apologies for this: unintuitive is every bit the same as the feature not being there.
    I've been toying with Android, too, and I agree with you. The notification settings are there, but they're a total pain to sort out. Android really seems predisposed to notify you about everything three times. But I love the customization and I'm thinking really hard about the S7 Edge.
    libra89 likes this.
    04-14-2016 10:14 AM
  9. ven07's Avatar
    Anyway...I'm not completely leaving, I still have my Yoga 3 Pro with Win10 Pro and I'm keeping my 640 Go Phone that I'll keep upgrading in Preview, and my Band 2. I really hope to be back some day, but for now, I'm jumping ship. If MS comes back to Verizon with a flagship phone I'll be back, but for now, I'm on the dark side.
    Thine presence shall be dearly missed :) but we should be boomin' in 2017 so we'll see you there matey
    04-14-2016 12:01 PM
  10. rambo47's Avatar
    I still maintain that Cortana's in-car bluetooth integration is the best out there. But I'm mystified by Microsoft's passive treatment of their mobile operating system. Microsoft is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room - any room - yet they treat WP almost as an afterthought. And now they're shunting WP/W10M to the backburner while they concentrate on other things??? Pretty tough to convince consumer to buy their phones when they let us know at Build2016 that it was not a top priority. Folks will say, "Meh, I'll wait until they're serious about mobile." Meanwhile Android and iOS are soaking up the customers that would have gone with WP. And once a customer is gone...
    04-14-2016 12:20 PM
  11. kokola's Avatar
    There is a pertinent story about a man who was working on an oil platform in the North Sea. He woke up one night from a loud explosion, which suddenly set his entire oil platform on fire. In mere moments, he was surrounded by flames. Through the smoke and heat, he barely made his way out of the chaos to the platform’s edge. When he looked down over the edge, all he could see were the dark, cold, foreboding Atlantic waters.

    As the fire approached him, the man had mere seconds to react. He could stand on the platform, and inevitably be consumed by the burning flames. Or, he could plunge 30 meters in to the freezing waters. The man was standing upon a “burning platform,” and he needed to make a choice.

    He decided to jump. It was unexpected. In ordinary circumstances, the man would never consider plunging into icy waters. But these were not ordinary times – his platform was on fire. The man survived the fall and the waters. After he was rescued, he noted that a “burning platform” caused a radical change in his behaviour.

    We too, are standing on a “burning platform,” and we must decide how we are going to change our behaviour.

    I have learned that we are standing on a burning platform.

    And, we have more than one explosion – we have multiple points of scorching heat that are fuelling a blazing fire around us.

    For example, there is intense heat coming from our competitors, more rapidly than we ever expected. Apple disrupted the market by redefining the smartphone and attracting developers to a closed, but very powerful ecosystem.

    In 2008, Apple’s market share in the $300+ price range was 25 percent; by 2010 it escalated to 61 percent. They are enjoying a tremendous growth trajectory with a 78 percent earnings growth year over year in Q4 2010. Apple demonstrated that if designed well, consumers would buy a high-priced phone with a great experience and developers would build applications. They changed the game, and today, Apple owns the high-end range.

    And then, there is Android. In about 7 years, Android created a platform that attracts application developers, service providers and hardware manufacturers. Android came in at the high-end, they are now winning the mid-range, and quickly they are going downstream to phones under €100. Google has become a gravitational force, drawing much of the industry’s innovation to its core.

    Let’s not forget about the low-end price range. In 2008, MediaTek supplied complete reference designs for phone chipsets, which enabled manufacturers in the Shenzhen region of China to produce phones at an unbelievable pace. By some accounts, this ecosystem now produces more than one third of the phones sold globally – taking share from us in emerging markets.

    While competitors poured flames on our market share, what happened at Nokia? We fell behind, we missed big trends, and we lost time. At that time, we thought we were making the right decisions; but, with the benefit of hindsight, we now find ourselves years behind.

    The first iPhone shipped in 2007, and we still don’t have a product that is close to their experience. Android came on the scene over 7 years ago, Unbelievable.

    We have some brilliant sources of innovation inside Microsoft, but we are not bringing it to market fast enough. We thought Windows Mobile/WP7/WP7.5/WP8/WP8.1/Windows Mobile 10 would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones.

    At the lower-end price range, Chinese OEMs are cranking out a device much faster than, as one Nokia employee said only partially in jest, “the time that it takes us to polish a PowerPoint presentation.” They are fast, they are cheap, and they are challenging us.

    And the truly perplexing aspect is that we’re not even fighting with the right weapons. We are still too often trying to approach each price range on a device-to-device basis.

    The battle of devices has now become a war of ecosystems, where ecosystems include not only the hardware and software of the device, but developers, applications, ecommerce, advertising, search, social applications, location-based services, unified communications and many other things. Our competitors aren’t taking our market share with devices; they are taking our market share with an entire ecosystem. This means we’re going to have to decide how we either build, catalyse or join an ecosystem.

    This is one of the decisions we need to make. In the meantime, we’ve lost market share, we’ve lost mind share and we’ve lost time.

    Consumer preference for WM10 declined worldwide.

    How did we get to this point? Why did we fall behind when the world around us evolved?

    This is what I have been trying to understand. I believe at least some of it has been due to our attitude inside WM10. We poured gasoline on our own burning platform. I believe we have lacked accountability and leadership to align and direct the company through these disruptive times. We had a series of misses. We haven’t been delivering innovation fast enough. We’re not collaborating internally.

    Microsoft, our platform (WM10) is burning.


    Edited from the 'burning platform' memo.
    Last edited by kokola; 04-14-2016 at 12:52 PM. Reason: Have a lot of free time
    04-14-2016 12:49 PM
  12. werner6769's Avatar
    It is Microsoft's responsibility to lead and be accountable for their own product. They have more than enough resources to do it. Not the regular consumer.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    04-14-2016 01:23 PM
  13. stenrick's Avatar
    Am I wrong or do most of the people that are planning on, or have jumped ship, lean predominantly towards Android? Edge now or wait 6 months for the next iteration of iPhone?
    04-14-2016 01:25 PM
  14. wgs84's Avatar
    Meanwhile Android and iOS are soaking up the customers that would have gone with WP. And once a customer is gone...
    Given all the apps that Microsoft make for iOS and Android, anyone can pretty much Microsoft-ify any handset, and right there they can benefit from you being a customer of their services. You should see my Galaxy Tab. Installed all the MS stuff and disabled some of the Google stuff.
    aximtreo likes this.
    04-14-2016 02:10 PM
  15. libra89's Avatar
    Am I wrong or do most of the people that are planning on, or have jumped ship, lean predominantly towards Android? Edge now or wait 6 months for the next iteration of iPhone?
    I think this varies on the person, Android is easier because you have the choice between a high cost trial, low cost trial or something inbetween. iPhone (before the SE came out) takes more to try, unless you can find a nice deal for a used one.

    I tried Android first because it was cheaper to try out. $300 over $530 for a used 6s, the choice is clear.
    04-14-2016 03:03 PM
  16. sd4f's Avatar
    Am I wrong or do most of the people that are planning on, or have jumped ship, lean predominantly towards Android? Edge now or wait 6 months for the next iteration of iPhone?
    Initially, I opted for WP because it was kind of the inbetweener, where android gave you a rather open OS, and iOS remains a walled garden, I, and I think many others saw WP as the middle ground. You got the benefits of both, to some extent. In hindsight, WP didn't have much openness at all, since in its early days it was severely lacking in features which had to be expanded at the OS level, not with apps, however, they were mostly corrected by WP8.1. Worth noting that, WP did get updates, something which, at the time I changed, android was notoriously bad at.

    I haven't jumped, but there's no way I'm going to the L950. I want to stick with windows, and hopefully this universal windows platform addresses the absence of apps (i'm not holding my breath). As it is, I'm going to stick with my L920 until it's dead, and I have to replace it, if that happens soon, it will probably be android for me.

    Sticking with WP8.1 now, the problem is, the migration to W10M is going to kill off a fair bit of apps for WP8.1 as there's absolutely no incentive to update or write apps for WP8.1. This is the problem again by MS hitting the reset switch with W10M and abandoning their older users just like the move from WP7 to WP8. Wouldn't have been as big a problem if they kept to their initial intention of porting it to all phones.

    Basically from what I can see is that MS are trying to use their desktop customers to encourage developers to make apps for desktop and mobile. I don't know if it will work, as there's plenty of apps which don't have desktop apps and are quite happy staying mobile only, and as a result that means iOS and android only. If it does work out for MS, then that will be a decent reason to upgrade to a W10M phone. I reckon a good sign would be if a company like snapchat decide to make a universal W10 app which should finally bring the app to the phones. There's no doubt plenty of other examples as well, but if they just ignore it, then you can guarantee that MS attempt at mobiles is destined for failure.
    04-14-2016 08:06 PM
  17. 5-hole's Avatar
    I really enjoy my 920. I have considered the trade-in that MS is offering but I'm not really sure I want to loose my 920. It still works but I am noticing some glitches. I hated my experience iPhone so that pushed me with Android and I grew to hate it as well. I wasted so much time and energy trying to find a launcher, skin, etc that was all compatible with all the radios and looked nice and it was aggravating, to say the least about it.

    The Nokia 920 WP 8.1 was perfect for me - it just worked and I grew to really enjoy the live tiles. I freaking loved the weight of that beast and how it felt in my hand - LOVED it!! I didn't miss the lack of app's at all.

    I don't really care about the 'app gap', I don't do social media but do enjoy instagram.

    I travel a lot. I'm more interested in a nice camera, dual sim, memory (storage) and a long battery.

    Hell, I think I'll just keep the 920
    04-14-2016 10:37 PM
  18. elgobuda's Avatar
    I've been thinking about switching to Android or Apple for some time. But every time I think about it very hard, I realise that the grass is not greener on the other side. Looking at current Android phones some of which have 6GB RAM and processors with 10 cores, there is something wrong with that. This just gives the developers less incentive to make their apps memory efficient. Sure there are plenty more apps on Android, but I can live without them.

    Apple? Well, I spent several years with an iPod as that was the only thing that supported lossless and gapless playback, but I don't see the benefit of being locked into iTunes.

    Finally the UI, Android and Apple are pretty boring and they look very similar. Sure, you can customize Android, but I do not have the patience to customize everything that I would have to so that it answers my requirements. I do have an Android device that I used to evaluate whether it could be a serious replacement for me.

    Windows for me is still the OS of choice. It is efficient. The customization doesn't take forever. It doesn't look as cluttered as iOS or Android. The built in music app supports FLAC, M4A and gapless.

    For this reason I am on my 4th Lumia now. Started with L620, then L735, followed by L930 and now L950.

    So in conclusion, I thought about it. But I would reap no benefits.
    Last edited by elgobuda; 04-15-2016 at 01:27 AM.
    04-15-2016 01:14 AM
  19. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Am I wrong or do most of the people that are planning on, or have jumped ship, lean predominantly towards Android? Edge now or wait 6 months for the next iteration of iPhone?
    I think its because ALOT of people don't agree that apple is the better product and ALOT of people like myself see through apples smoke and mirrors marketing.
    04-15-2016 04:23 AM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ IMHO it's mostly about money. Only in the few places still hooked on carrier subsidies does that not apply. The cost of an iPhone drives most people towards Android. Only after taking the overpriced devices off the table do they consider which of the remaining devices best fit their needs.
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    04-15-2016 05:21 AM
  21. In Fla's Avatar
    Four reasons: Reliability, speed, updates, resale value.
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    04-15-2016 06:16 AM
  22. kingbobyjr's Avatar
    Given all the apps that Microsoft make for iOS and Android, anyone can pretty much Microsoft-ify any handset, and right there they can benefit from you being a customer of their services. You should see my Galaxy Tab. Installed all the MS stuff and disabled some of the Google stuff.
    This is exactly what I did. I switched to a Galaxy S7 from a Lumia 735 and disabled most of the Google apps including Gmail, Google Drive, Chrome, Google Play Movies & TV, Google Play Music, & Google Photos. I still sync my Outlook.com email, use Onedrive, use Groove, & use the Office apps. So far so good as the S7 is lights years better than the 735.
    04-15-2016 07:08 AM
  23. libra89's Avatar
    ^ IMHO it's mostly about money. Only in the few places still hooked on carrier subsidies does that not apply. The cost of an iPhone drives most people towards Android. Only after taking the overpriced devices off the table do they consider which of the remaining devices best fit their needs.
    Exactly. I found myself in the same position with this. Went with Android first because there was a promo that made it possible for me to get the 5x at a great discount (not as great as it is now, but eh). Trying an iPhone gave me pause because of the money, but I was lucky to find a used 5s at a nice price and "good" condition, which allowed for me to try that too.
    a5cent likes this.
    04-15-2016 07:13 AM
  24. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Am I wrong or do most of the people that are planning on, or have jumped ship, lean predominantly towards Android? Edge now or wait 6 months for the next iteration of iPhone?
    One thing thing that Android and Windows Phone have in common that iOS devices don't is the ability to at least send photos to any device via Bluetooth. This is makes Android an obvious choice for me, although obviously it isn't the only reason.
    04-15-2016 07:47 AM
  25. anon(9668900)'s Avatar
    I'm reading around the internet that the Nexus 5X was pretty similar to Lumia 950 in terms of bugs and glitches and crashes and necessity to reboot. Is that true? How are things now?
    04-15-2016 08:57 AM
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