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  1. libra89's Avatar
    I'm reading around the internet that the Nexus 5X was pretty similar to Lumia 950 in terms of bugs and glitches and crashes and necessity to reboot. Is that true? How are things now?
    I didn't have that experience at all when I had a 5x.
    04-15-2016 10:14 AM
  2. Ten Four's Avatar
    Re. "Burning platform." This isn't a life or death decision--not even close. If you consider it that way it is time to go cold turkey and get a flip phone. There is no need to "jump ship" if your phone is working for you and you are happy, but you may want to try out one of the other systems instead. Big deal. Phones are not an "investment" either. Choose one you like and can afford and use it until something better comes along.
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    04-15-2016 10:18 AM
  3. Ten Four's Avatar
    I know someone currently using the Nexus 5X, and he also owns the 950. He says he has been disappointed how the Nexus has gotten more and more laggy on routine tasks. The Nexus takes decent photos, but the camera isn't as good as the 950s. In my experience things we consider "bugs" on Windows are considered normal operating procedure on Android. Every app on Android seems to have some feature that doesn't work quite right, or the settings don't let you do what you want, or there is no dark theme, or the performance is poor, etc., etc. I was surprised how many Android apps I tried that didn't work at all--no functionality.
    04-15-2016 10:19 AM
  4. Cloudscout's Avatar
    A couple weeks ago I said I was ditching my 950XL in favor of a Sony Xperia Z3 and I did. After two weeks, it's still bittersweet.

    On the plus side, I have access to all the apps that weren't available on Windows. There weren't many that I really NEEDED but there are a few that are nice to have now, and others that existed on Windows but just didn't work very well:

    • Uconnect - For my car's infotainment system... this lets me start my car from anywhere and send addresses directly to the SatNav in the car.
    • Sensi - For my home thermostat.
    • Cisco Jabber - My company's IM software.
    • Google Voice - I had ditched GV a while back but I still use my GV number whenever I need to list something on Craigslist.
    • Blue Iris - For my home security system. There was a third party app for Windows Phones but it didn't support SSL connections.
    • Garmin Connect - I was thrilled when Garmin said they were supporting Windows 10 Mobile but underlying problems with Windows and its Bluetooth stack made things incredibly unreliable.
    • OneDrive - I loved OneDrive on Windows Phone 8.1 but the Windows 10 Mobile version is utter garbage. Instead of instantly syncing new photos, it would often take 5 to 15 minutes and sometimes it just wouldn't sync them at all. Thankfully, the Android version is just as reliable as the WP8 version.
    • TuneIn Radio - The TuneIn Radio app went UWP back in December and they promptly removed the mobile version of the app. It looks like they FINALLY got it back in the day after I ditched Windows so I haven't had a chance to try it but I know that the Android version works well and is likely to continue being updated in a more timely manner.
    • Email - The mail client in WP8 wasn't perfect but I really liked it. I preferred it over any Android mail client. The new "Outlook" app in Windows 10 Mobile is an abomination, though. Microsoft has made a few incremental improvements to it over the last 6 months but it's still absolute garbage.


    What do I really hate about switching back to Android?

    • Icons - Seriously. Going back to Android with it's basic icons and clunky widgets feels like going back in time. The clean, organized concept of the tile interface was always one of my absolute favorite things about Windows Phones. It is, undeniably, the superior way to present applications and information on a phone's home screen. Everything else looks like a relic from the 1990s.
    • Package Tracker - This app is awesome. I love the fact that I could have the app on my Windows 8.x/10 PCs and phones and everything would sync between them. Now I'm stuck with Package Buddy on Android. If I want to check the status or add packages from my PC, I have to use a website. Not nearly as convenient.


    That's it. That's all I miss. But it's enough. If Microsoft can make Windows 10 Mobile stable and reliable and if they can get more of the apps that I want onto their platform, I will switch back in a heartbeat because, really, Live Tiles alone are worth the price of admission.
    04-15-2016 04:24 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    Package Tracker - This app is awesome. I love the fact that I could have the app on my Windows 8.x/10 PCs and phones and everything would sync between them. Now I'm stuck with Package Buddy on Android. If I want to check the status or add packages from my PC, I have to use a website. Not nearly as convenient.
    No app is necessary on Android. Google Now tracks packages automatically, as well as flights. (And it actually works! )
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    04-15-2016 04:39 PM
  6. WhiteNiteLite's Avatar
    Am I wrong or do most of the people that are planning on, or have jumped ship, lean predominantly towards Android? Edge now or wait 6 months for the next iteration of iPhone?
    I finally jumped ship to an iPhone SE after being with Windows Phone exclusively since its launch in 2010. But maybe I'm in the minority...
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    04-15-2016 05:13 PM
  7. pallentx's Avatar
    No app is necessary on Android. Google Now tracks packages automatically, as well as flights. (And it actually works! )
    You do know Cortana does that too, right?
    04-15-2016 07:36 PM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    You do know Cortana does that too, right?
    Yes, but I'm not sure why he needs an app for either platform. Well, an app is actually necessary on Windows Phone since Cortana's package tracking isn't very reliable.
    04-15-2016 09:29 PM
  9. scottinmd's Avatar
    **** I did it. No more windows phones. We swapped the last two in the family for different OS. One was replaced with an iPhone. The other for a Galaxy S7 Edge. No comparison. Both are much more functional, feature rich and just feel better than the 640XLs they replace. I was one of the die-hards. Not any more.
    04-16-2016 12:23 AM
  10. FurY2007's Avatar
    I switched my Lumia 1020 to a Galaxy S7 last week and have been coming to grasps with Android due to the small differences in doing some things. MS should take not of how Skype works on Android and have it work likewise on Windows mobile before releasing their OS. No comparison possible, so much better on Android. That, and the several banking apps I can now use together with the usual Office applications, Outlook. It will take a much better OS to get me back to WM!
    04-16-2016 06:43 AM
  11. tomseys's Avatar
    Interesting article that makes a case for Microsoft switching to Android on their phones:

    It's time for Microsoft to give up on Windows Phone and switch to Android | ZDNet
    Last edited by tomseys; 04-16-2016 at 06:35 PM.
    04-16-2016 07:39 AM
  12. 11B1P's Avatar
    The deep integration with my Band 2 keeps me with my Icon. Unless MS brings the same integration to iPhone, I'll be staying on WP as long as possible.
    04-16-2016 07:47 AM
  13. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Interesting article that makes a case for Microsoft switching to Android on their phones (if this is not the actual plan) since Windows phones with its 2% market share is beyond dead.

    It's time for Microsoft to give up on Windows Phone and switch to Android | ZDNet

    I think it's a great idea. Also dropping the whole Windows 10 thing would be great as well. They could make nice looking operating systems for PCs and laptops and let android handle the phone and utlra mobile devices OS. Also, allow people transparent and easy control of the OS updates and even make money with new OS releases from time to time. Their Window 8.1/10 OS has not done well on phones. Actually, it has done terribly in excelsis. It looks just as bad or worse on the PC imo. Seems like a lot of bad ideas came out from them during the past 7 years or so. Time to fix, move on and get smart.
    You are correct in WP being dead. That has been a poisoned chalice for a while. I disagree with the dropping WM 10. Android may be the most popular, but most popular is a subjective matter. Most people I meet, and I meet a few in my working day, have no idea what android really offers. Android survives on large OEM's continuously releasing 'pretty' fashionable phones. If you took out one, let's say Samsung, being one of the biggest purveyors of devices, what would you have left? That is what keeps Android alive. Shiny new phones every 12 months. I would hazard a guess that a large percentage of users have no idea about the full potential of any device, be that a flagship or something that the fashionistas' would buy to look good in front of their mates.

    At least the w10m OS will be cohesive with the entire W10 ecosystem, giving a cross device experience. I agree that it is not a finished product, it never will be. That's WaaS. Continuum is, at present, unique, and will only improve. MS taking a step back from the mobile world, after the debacle that was WP, and the myriad of devices, can only be a good thing. It gives time to develop, to asses, to improve, and then they have the breathing space to decide whether or not to continue with the mobile platform. With the array of OEMs jumping on board, this has to be seen as positive, if not damned miraculous!

    I don't really see where the author of the item was going. People won't buy a Microsoft device on W10M, so how the heck do you persuade them to buy one with Android on it. The android market is already saturated. From what I've seen, the Priv isn't doing too well, and as we know, most of the world has heard of blackberry!
    04-16-2016 08:03 AM
  14. tomseys's Avatar
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    Last edited by tomseys; 04-16-2016 at 06:35 PM.
    04-16-2016 08:14 AM
  15. WhiteNiteLite's Avatar
    The deep integration with my Band 2 keeps me with my Icon. Unless MS brings the same integration to iPhone, I'll be staying on WP as long as possible.
    Out of curiosity, which features in particular do you depend on?
    04-16-2016 09:16 AM
  16. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    You are correct in WP being dead. That has been a poisoned chalice for a while. I disagree with the dropping WM 10. Android may be the most popular, but most popular is a subjective matter. Most people I meet, and I meet a few in my working day, have no idea what android really offers. Android survives on large OEM's continuously releasing 'pretty' fashionable phones. If you took out one, let's say Samsung, being one of the biggest purveyors of devices, what would you have left? That is what keeps Android alive. Shiny new phones every 12 months. I would hazard a guess that a large percentage of users have no idea about the full potential of any device, be that a flagship or something that the fashionistas' would buy to look good in front of their mates.

    At least the w10m OS will be cohesive with the entire W10 ecosystem, giving a cross device experience. I agree that it is not a finished product, it never will be. That's WaaS. Continuum is, at present, unique, and will only improve. MS taking a step back from the mobile world, after the debacle that was WP, and the myriad of devices, can only be a good thing. It gives time to develop, to asses, to improve, and then they have the breathing space to decide whether or not to continue with the mobile platform. With the array of OEMs jumping on board, this has to be seen as positive, if not damned miraculous!

    I don't really see where the author of the item was going. People won't buy a Microsoft device on W10M, so how the heck do you persuade them to buy one with Android on it. The android market is already saturated. From what I've seen, the Priv isn't doing too well, and as we know, most of the world has heard of blackberry!
    The smartphone market is brutal.

    The PRIV is overpriced (even BlackBerry CEO John Chen admits this) and suffers from distribution problems.

    If it had been priced in the $500-$600 USD range and launched on all the major carriers in major markets simultaneously, it may have fared better.

    BlackBerry is releasing a couple mid-range Androids this year. We'll see if they fare any better. If not, BlackBerry will likely exit the handset business.

    Microsoft has loads more cash to throw at mobile, but they are wise to back off and reevaluate. I can't see them ditching Win10 mobile altogether but wouldn't be surprised if they offered an Android platform along side it.
    04-16-2016 09:38 AM
  17. SafeSchoolsCzar's Avatar
    What I already miss about my Icon....

    So I'm on my 3rd day with my iPhone 6s Plus and I'm already missing my Icon. I actually kept it (no SIM) and it's loading .218 as I type this but I am having a little withdrawal and buyers remorse. My thoughts so far:

    The good...

    1. I love Apple pay and the wallet. I used it to buy a case (because iPhones are brittle little snowflakes) right after I set it up and I used Apple Pay to buy it. Very fast and very cool.

    2. I have an updated version of Waze, my favorite app. Also I like Stitcher on my iPad so it's cool to have that again.

    3. The Touch ID is amazingly fast to unlock the phone.

    4. Nice having my banking app (PNC).

    5. I've got pretty much all the MS apps (Office, CRM, Health, Groups, Skype for Business, OneNote, OneDrive & Outlook) and they all work fine though not as well integrated as before.

    6. 3D Touch is actually a nice feature that I suspect will continue to get better.

    7. I'm not a big app person and I'm an adult so I don't need things like Snapchat, but it is nice to have apps for pretty much everything.

    The bad...
    1. This thing is freaking HUGE, don't know how you 1520 folks do it.

    2. I miss the tight integration with my Band 2.

    3. Cortana is just an app as opposed to an integral part of the OS.

    4. Safari really sucks.

    5. I think the camera on the Icon blows it away.

    6. Did I mention it's a brittle little snowflake?

    7. Wordflow keyboard blows away IOS standard keyboard. I miss swiping. The 3rd party keyboards don't seem to work as well.

    8. Had to get new chargers.

    9. Just try putting a custom ringtone on it from a MP3, it's a 30 minute process and requires you to put iTunes on your desktop.

    10. Pocket Bible (my most used app) uses pagination instead of scrolling. It's WAY better on Windows.

    So there you have it folks. I really hope to be back someday but for the next year or two, I'll be on the dark side but I will NEVER be a Apple fan boy!
    04-16-2016 10:22 AM
  18. Ten Four's Avatar
    The idea being I guess that Android is a far more user friendly, nice looking and functional tried and true OS with a way better developed app base...
    Well, you got the "app base" part right. Seriously, IMHO Windows blows Android out of the water on the other things you mention, and you forgot security--oh, that's right, there is none to discuss on Android.
    04-16-2016 11:28 AM
  19. msft_tinkering's Avatar
    So you replaced a low to mid range Windows Phones (640XL) for an iPhone & Flagship Android devices. Of course apps are going to be better, but the hardware is miles better too, so I would expect both to be better even before boot up.
    Last edited by msft_tinkering; 04-16-2016 at 01:58 PM. Reason: didn't quote so add note about 640xl
    04-16-2016 01:57 PM
  20. libra89's Avatar
    Well, you got the "app base" part right. Seriously, IMHO Windows blows Android out of the water on the other things you mention, and you forgot security--oh, that's right, there is none to discuss on Android.
    This is a misconception to an extent, check out this thread: http://forums.windowscentral.com/sho...d.php?t=410168
    04-16-2016 02:34 PM
  21. ClixT's Avatar
    What I already miss about my Icon....

    So I'm on my 3rd day with my iPhone 6s Plus and I'm already missing my Icon. I actually kept it (no SIM) and it's loading .218 as I type this but I am having a little withdrawal and buyers remorse. My thoughts so far:

    The good...

    1. I love Apple pay and the wallet. I used it to buy a case (because iPhones are brittle little snowflakes) right after I set it up and I used Apple Pay to buy it. Very fast and very cool.

    2. I have an updated version of Waze, my favorite app. Also I like Stitcher on my iPad so it's cool to have that again.

    3. The Touch ID is amazingly fast to unlock the phone.

    4. Nice having my banking app (PNC).

    5. I've got pretty much all the MS apps (Office, CRM, Health, Groups, Skype for Business, OneNote, OneDrive & Outlook) and they all work fine though not as well integrated as before.

    6. 3D Touch is actually a nice feature that I suspect will continue to get better.

    7. I'm not a big app person and I'm an adult so I don't need things like Snapchat, but it is nice to have apps for pretty much everything.

    The bad...
    1. This thing is freaking HUGE, don't know how you 1520 folks do it.

    2. I miss the tight integration with my Band 2.

    3. Cortana is just an app as opposed to an integral part of the OS.

    4. Safari really sucks.

    5. I think the camera on the Icon blows it away.

    6. Did I mention it's a brittle little snowflake?

    7. Wordflow keyboard blows away IOS standard keyboard. I miss swiping. The 3rd party keyboards don't seem to work as well.

    8. Had to get new chargers.

    9. Just try putting a custom ringtone on it from a MP3, it's a 30 minute process and requires you to put iTunes on your desktop.

    10. Pocket Bible (my most used app) uses pagination instead of scrolling. It's WAY better on Windows.

    So there you have it folks. I really hope to be back someday but for the next year or two, I'll be on the dark side but I will NEVER be a Apple fan boy!
    I agree with everything you said when i bought a 6s plus when I jumped ship to iOS, but I just can't justify the price for how I am using it so I returned it for a SE. No more buyer's remorse lol. Also I take back what I said with iPhones camera. It sucks! I had to use my 950xl..
    04-16-2016 05:10 PM
  22. 11B1P's Avatar
    Out of curiosity, which features in particular do you depend on?
    It's not that I "depend" on them but I like all the features the Band has with a WP. Example, you only get the keyboard in WP. Or the ability to speak my reply to a text. In addition to the 3rd party apps for the Band, FanBand being my favorite.
    Last edited by 11B1P; 04-18-2016 at 10:16 PM.
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    04-16-2016 07:40 PM
  23. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    i'll also add that Cortana and wp work so much better with myford sync than our new androids. wp is really heads above android. In these darned androids settings are all over the place, driving me nuts!
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    04-16-2016 11:09 PM
  24. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    of course not.

    The trendy thing is to bash the OS :P
    It's happened since Windows Phone 7 and has been exacerbated with Windows 10.
    Just a curious observation to make here. All these gentle folks trying to make their android home screens resemble WP/WM start screens, who are investing all the many man hours into customising them down to the T to the WM/WP experience, and dealing with all the subsequent issues of it all happily. Did they really invest the same amount of effort into coping with the WM/WP issues without complaining?

    Just a thought I'm throwing out there. I have no stake in the argument per se otherwise, or issues with anyone's choice of platforms - I'm all for pro choice and respecting that. But this just made me wonder, is the criticism of the platform really justified after something like this?

    *Fingers crossed I dont start a flame war.*

    -- W
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    04-17-2016 01:14 AM
  25. abel46's Avatar
    I have been a WP user since I got my first smart mobile 2011. (I had a Qtec that was kind of smart before.)
    Now I think it's the right time to try something different, but should I go for iOS or Android? My current phone is a Lumia 930 upgraded to Windows 10, but I'm not that happy with the upgrade. I think WP 8.1 was better in my view anyway.

    As I understand if I go for an iOS (Apple) phone, it will be easy to use for some task, but very difficult for other task. Android is more open as I understand, and I can connect it with a cable to my Windows 10 PC and transfer files, pictures, film-clips and so one easy? But I have also heard that after a while all Android Phones get slow, is that right?
    I live in Norway, so we have not your problem with operator. I can buy the phone and use any operator that I like.

    Some advice would be great.
    04-17-2016 08:34 AM
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