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  1. Peter Zanutto GSC's Avatar
    For people to help, MS should atleast show some consistency in their approach. It seems they are still confused about their target. Initially it was mobile first, now cloud first, and they say mobile is not their focus this year. What message does is spread in users? For beta testing, what happend to all insiders who actually helped build and improve W10m?
    Mobile First Cloud First is not 2 different things, it is one concept - Computing Power on the go backed by the power of the cloud. With regards to what Terry said at Build, it was that bringing out new mobile phones was not going to be their focus this year. They are still very active in development on Windows 10 which includes Windows 10 Mobile. It is one platform now. All you have to do is look at the latest Redstone build to see how many new features are being introduced with more still to come before the Anniversary Update is released.

    All the Insiders who actually helped are probably still here. We are still actively testing, and helping, and eagerly anticipating new builds. It's just hard to find us through all the noise.
    04-19-2016 11:30 AM
  2. QuadraFX's Avatar
    And half the time they quit working, i.e. weather, photos, e-mail, calendar, and just show the app icon instead of information.
    Never experienced anything like this.
    04-19-2016 12:16 PM
  3. thalador's Avatar
    I have this all the time on my 950XL
    04-19-2016 01:28 PM
  4. garak0410's Avatar
    .... and your phone screen will quickly start to look like puked.
    Live tiles are simple, elegant and well ordered on screen.

    Android is just a small, free, hollow OS which quickly becomes laggy and unuseable even on powerful devices. Not to mention the fragmentation of its "ecosystem".
    I agree with the first part. Totally.

    The second part, though...I used to hold that opinion. But my Note 5, with 6.01 has been rock solid with ZERO lag, even with no clean install after upgrading from Android 5.11. It is a whole lot better than it used to be. Fragmentation, yes, it is still there and sometimes tough to deal with. There are some apps/games that will not work on my Note 5.
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    04-19-2016 01:34 PM
  5. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    In grand scheme of life, even us dont matter. So what, we should live a vegetative life?
    Ofcourse all carriers will move towards VoLT. But it will take years for developing and undeveloped countries. While VoLT reches to every single corner of world, developed countries will have something new to brag about. Things keep changing. That does not mean there should not be such boards, no discussions, no arguments.
    Sooooo. your telling me you can't think of anything better to do than argue about a company &/or a product that you have zero personal stake in with a complete stranger? AN argument that WILL NEVER ever matter. Never said there shouldn't be discussion boards, to discuss the merits of products yes, not partake in ******* matches to make yourself feel better about a product you use or bought. What does a person in Lithuania care if Verizon wireless still has CDMA radios in the phones they sell? What do I care if a person in Malaysia has a GSM phone or what ever carrier they use it on? Here's a hint I don't & never will. I have VoLTE right now on my GS7 & I feel no need to come here & "Brag" about it to people who live in areas that don't & tell them their carrier is crap & so is their phone & so I I feel good about myself....... Sorry I don't get emotionally attached to a communications device & feel the need to defend it like it's my child.....

    Going hiking now & enjoy the great outdoors...
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    04-19-2016 02:38 PM
  6. hereandthere21's Avatar
    Perfectly said. As a die hard fan of Nokia, it angers me what MS did to a great company. They used Nokia as a gunia pig and now say it's not their priority. After failed experiement of WP7, they did it again and are still doing it. They went from WP8 to 8.1 and now W10 to redstone just in 3 years, but nothings more than changing OS numbers. Now W10 has become almost skinned android wih limited functionality. What they brag is continum, which itself is imperfect, already invented by Nokia long ago. Just a fancy name, nothing more. No one is talking about basic features, system stability, better app experience (atleast for whatever are available). Then why did not they study android beforehand and made it similar from the start? Atleast similar to symbian..
    And each time they do a OS upgrade the old apps dont work.
    My opinion is that they should have countinued with Zune / WM7 design, when you look at that clean design it still blows any Droid or iPhone UI.

    Edge is a big joke. Most of the webpages open with some error or rendered incorectly. They already had IE which is far evolved, why did they not improved it with whatever they claim edge has? Why scratch completely it, start afreash every time and ruin everyhing? Now IE is not getting any better, edge is a crap, users are left with nothing. But Android is still with Chrome for so manny years and making it better bit by bit everyime. They need not invent new browser but changed whatever damn codes and it works great.

    Same with OS, Android is Still Android with version they keep on improvising. But with MS everytime...start something new, experiment with itfor sometime, leave it die for something new again. It keeps on repeating. Ultimately users suffer. Worst part is, they never finish what they start. They leave it half baked.
    * Mobile IE needed some polishing to do. But better idea is to trash IE and develop from scratch new browser.
    Proper browser development is 5 years, MS doesnt have 5 years.

    * Here Maps, Here City Lense, Here Transit... - one of the big sell points of Windows Phones in general. But no, why would we support it when we have half baked Maps!

    * Lumia Camera apps, scrap that we have a generic camera app and thats it!

    *Compare WP apps Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Pinterest (the 3rd Party app), ebay, Amazon, Newegg
    with same apps on Android. The ones on WP are borderline unusable! Microsoft can make a deal with these companies to pump some money into WP /W10 universal app development - if they dont see that WP 10 and W10 are connected they are missing out big time!

    Long gone are the days where developers flocked to Windows platforms, now MS needs to lure them back!


    *We had a super duper Camera phone N1020 with humongous 41 MP sensor. What do we do? Scrap it and forged about that technological marvel.
    They could have made a succesor to 1020 - a 4,7 - 5 AMOLED with 3GB RAM, 64GB storage with SD Card Slot and 808/820 Snapdragon and
    a upgraded Version of 41MP sensor, now with some descent CPU that can handle 4K. Instead they rollout the 830, the "budget Flagship" for 400 euro / $. Total flop.

    * We have a 950 / 950 XL with half baked OS. The phones look like Lumia 640 big cousin. But you need to pay 50$ for MOZO case and 150$ for Continuum dock to get what they were selling you when they were rolling out the phone. But then it costs 850$!!!!
    Microsoft doesnt realize they are not Apple.

    950 needs to be 350$ and 950 XL 450$ with MOZO and Continuum dock for people to even consider it!
    04-19-2016 03:17 PM
  7. Cloudscout's Avatar
    .... and your phone screen will quickly start to look like puked.
    Live tiles are simple, elegant and well ordered on screen.

    Android is just a small, free, hollow OS which quickly becomes laggy and unuseable even on powerful devices. Not to mention the fragmentation of its "ecosystem".
    I agree with the first part of your comment and strongly disagree with the second part.

    Widgets look like crap. That said, I spent a lot of time today tweaking a replacement launcher for Android that lets it mimic the look and feel of Windows Phone for the most part. It's far from a perfect recreation of the WP experience but it's good enough for now.

    As for Android quickly becoming laggy and unusable? Not as laggy and unusable as W10M on my Lumia 950XL. I'll repeat what I've said many times before, I love the UI of Windows Phone but all of Microsoft's layoffs and reorgs over the years has left them without an adequate developer pool to deliver on their potential.

    I want to be proven wrong but I spent a year hoping to see major improvements to W10M, starting with the first Insider builds, through the official release with the 950XL up to the latest Insider builds. They are, quite simply, in over their heads. A year from now, the OS may be mature enough to call it truly release-quality but I don't think the average consumer or IT org is going to be interested, to say nothing of developers.
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    04-19-2016 04:59 PM
  8. ceraf's Avatar
    Is there an android launcher that looks and functions like WP8/WM10's live tile start screen? (I'd prefer not to use widgets)
    04-19-2016 05:26 PM
  9. NoFlames2's Avatar
    My 1520 broke and I decided to get a 950 with $150 trade-in of my 920. I'll stick with the platform for now and see where things are two years from now.
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    04-19-2016 05:43 PM
  10. wgs84's Avatar
    I've said in other posts, it's just a damn phone not my identity, it's a communications tool made by a company that I have no personal stake in, zero. Nor any other company or service "winning or losing" & don't feel the need to put others down to make myself feel better about the *&$% phone, computer, gaming console, car or any other product I use. It's like people who when their favorite sports team wins, say "we won" like you had some part in the team actually winning..... If you like WP10 & it works for you, awesome, good for you, if it doesn't & android or IOS works for you awesome, good for you. I swear these boards are like high school boys ******* matches sometimes. The funny thing is, in the grand scheme of life, NO ONE CARES & none of this matters at all.....
    Once on another website, I commented on how rough and unpolished W10m is, and some guy went nuts on me like I just insulted his mother. It was kind of funny, and yet sad at the same time.
    04-19-2016 05:45 PM
  11. Cloudscout's Avatar
    Is there an android launcher that looks and functions like WP8/WM10's live tile start screen? (I'd prefer not to use widgets)
    Yes, there are several. Most are terrible, though. The one I'm trying now is called "Launcher 8 WP Style". Here's a link to it in the Play Store:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...m.lx.launcher8

    Keep in mind, the icon standards are different in Android so things are going to look a bit messy. I spent literally two hours fiddling and tweaking to make it look good (at least in my opinion). I did have to use one widget in order to get the calendar on the screen but I did so in a way that it looks pretty natural. Some of the regular Android icons can be made to look okay in tiles. Others can be replaced with images that look more like WP tile icons. I will probably do a bit more customizing on my phone to clean up some more of the ugly icons. Here's what the "Start Screen" on my Sony Xperia Z3 looks like right now:

    screenshot_20160419-152317.jpg
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    04-19-2016 05:49 PM
  12. Cloudscout's Avatar
    *Compare WP apps Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Pinterest (the 3rd Party app), ebay, Amazon, Newegg
    with same apps on Android. The ones on WP are borderline unusable! Microsoft can make a deal with these companies to pump some money into WP /W10 universal app development - if they dont see that WP 10 and W10 are connected they are missing out big time!
    The Facebook app on Windows Phone was always done by Microsoft and the. It looks like the PC app is listed as being written by Facebook Inc... has the W10M version been updated to an official app or is it still Microsoft's painfully inept attempt at playing catch-up with the Android and iOS versions of FB?
    04-19-2016 05:57 PM
  13. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    Verizon phones are required to be unlocked and have some but not all LTE AT&T bands, but I really don't care, it works great for me & my needs. Plus LTE is not GSM & all carriers are moving to 100% LTE & VoLTE and will stop using their old GSM & CDMA networks & refarm them to LTE. http://gsacom.com/wp-content/uploads...LTE_report.pdf

    As I said before all carriers will be switching to VoLTE in the very near future and all phones will work where ever as the big 3 US carriers already have agreements in place. All Verizon phones from the past 1 1/2 years are VoLTE compatible and will work on AT&T & TMO & Sprints VoLTE networks.

    I've said in other posts, it's just a damn phone not my identity, it's a communications tool made by a company that I have no personal stake in, zero. Nor any other company or service "winning or losing" & don't feel the need to put others down to make myself feel better about the *&$% phone, computer, gaming console, car or any other product I use. It's like people who when their favorite sports team wins, say "we won" like you had some part in the team actually winning..... If you like WP10 & it works for you, awesome, good for you, if it doesn't & android or IOS works for you awesome, good for you. I swear these boards are like high school boys ******* matches sometimes. The funny thing is, in the grand scheme of life, NO ONE CARES & none of this matters at all.....
    You are absolutely right. No need to get all worked up and no ******* matches going on. As an old Colorado head I don't throw bad vibes around or judge what 1 uses. I was just saying Verizon doesn't offer cheaper windows phones such as a 640, blu, or even alcatel phones. Some of us do like to play with our windows phones whether it be on insiders for new builds or just enjoy wp. It's hard to do when your only options are a $530 icon or $200 735. the wife and I have both..If you like windows phones Verizon is not the way to go. that's all I was saying.
    Last edited by groady-ho baluzy; 04-20-2016 at 09:58 AM.
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    04-19-2016 08:40 PM
  14. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    No worries, yeah it sad state of affairs for windows phone on Verizon, my icon broke and I got a gs7. Its not that ms didn't try and get phones on Verizon, Verizon didn't want them because they didn't sell well and the ones they do sell have a high return rate. If they had a 950 I would have gotten that. The store in Fort Collins is horrible in regards to windows phone.

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    04-19-2016 09:15 PM
  15. brebo33's Avatar
    Had a wp7 phone (Trophy) then a wp8 phone (928) and was really looking forward to a w10 mobile but when it came time to get a new phone V had nothing I wanted running windows and since it is my work phone I really need it to work well. I went with the iPhone 6s. It has been bittersweet. There are some things I really like about my new phone. The old, worn-out iOS UI is not one of them. (I was pleasantly surprised to find out how much better the MS Office apps work on the iPhone than they did on my wp.)

    One major gripe I have (and maybe a bit ironic): Why is there no WindowsCentral app for iOS??? This notion that a person is in one camp or another is a false one. I may be on an iPhone but I am still interested in Microsoft. In fact, I also have an Android based tablet that I use. And getting an iPhone doesn't mean I'm throwing away my laptop to get a macbook. I use what works for me.
    04-19-2016 09:41 PM
  16. libra89's Avatar
    One major gripe I have (and maybe a bit ironic): Why is there no WindowsCentral app for iOS??? This notion that a person is in one camp or another is a false one. I may be on an iPhone but I am still interested in Microsoft. In fact, I also have an Android based tablet that I use. And getting an iPhone doesn't mean I'm throwing away my laptop to get a macbook. I use what works for me.
    I agree about the app thing. Android seems to be the only platform that has all of the apps. It's disappointing that there's only the Windows Central forum app, but eh. I have that app installed and I just pinned the Windows Central site to my home screen (with me being logged in, of course so that I can comment). It's not the same but it will do. I kind of realized that I'm usually refreshing the forum more than the actual site, but I still read the site too.
    04-19-2016 10:44 PM
  17. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    One major gripe I have (and maybe a bit ironic): Why is there no WindowsCentral app for iOS??? This notion that a person is in one camp or another is a false one. I may be on an iPhone but I am still interested in Microsoft.
    I believe that is an App Store issue, not a WindowsCentral issue. Apple is notorious for not allowing apps that promote other platforms. There isn't an AndroidCentral app in the App Store either.

    Google doesn't care. There are apps for all of the Mobile Nations sites (AndroidCentral, Connectedly, CrackBerry, iMore, and WindowsCentral) in Google Play.
    04-19-2016 11:59 PM
  18. thekonger's Avatar
    I use Launcher 8 on my Note 3 too. The WP UI is the only thing keeping me sane with my Android device. Still need to get a good WP on Sprint though. And fast.
    04-20-2016 08:52 AM
  19. Arcalis's Avatar
    Just checking in again to update people on my switch from Windows to iOS. I picked up a 64GB iPhone 6s on Sunday and I thought I'd inform others of my experience so far, especially as I've never owned an iPhone in the past.

    Hardware
    The device itself is lovely to look at and it feels very premium in the hand. Very thin (almost too thin) and occasionally it feels quite slippery. I don't think I will actually drop the phone but at the same time it doesn't fill you with complete confidence. It will likely improve significantly once I buy a case to protect it. Overall though, very pleased with the build quality.

    Touch ID & Apple Pay
    I thought these features deserved their own section as, coming from Windows phone, there's nothing comparable. In a word it's amazing. It's great to pick up the phone, click the home button to wake the device and then just instantly being logged in to your phone. The same goes for authenticating App Store purchases or using Apple Pay. Just briefly touch your thumb on the home button and it just works. Lovely stuff.

    Apps
    The reason I left Windows Phone. Apps are everywhere on iOS and the quality is so much better than Windows Phone that I don't even know where to begin. Suffice to say I don't think I'll be complaining about apps on my iPhone for a very long time (if at all). No crashes or slowness on any of the 30 or so apps I regularly use. Facebook and Twitter (popular examples) are just so much better on iOS...I can't see WM10 ever catching up if I'm honest.

    Oh and Skype is so fast on iOS compared to on my 930.

    Notifications
    They work. I was on WM10 preview builds (slow ring). Yes I know it's pre-release software but the notifications were still absolutely s**t. I still haven't got over the novelty of notifications actually working now. Simple things, eh?

    General UI
    I do miss the live tiles and the overall darker theme of WM10. However, iOS does have a significant amount of polish and, while I'm new to the device, everything does feel novel and fresh. How long this feeling will last for, I can't say. For now though, I am enjoying learning how the OS works. While the overall feel of WM10 is really quite nice, it just can't make up for the lack of apps (or app quality for those that do exist on multiple platforms).

    In essence, WM10 is just very immature and I'm glad I have left the ecosystem. WM has, in my opinion, a very long way to go before it's even close to the stability and reliability of iOS. Again, I stress that I'm aware WM preview builds are pre-release but, after this much development time and for a company as large as Microsoft, the current state of play is simply not good enough. They will have to really pull the rabbit out of the hat if they are to tempt me back.

    At the end of the day, I've got to the stage in my life where I want a phone that just works, supported by apps that are of a sufficiently high quality. I don't want to be installing preview builds every 2 weeks in some desperate attempt to gain functionality and stability that should have been there years ago. I don't care who makes the device, as long as it works. WM10 doesn't work. iOS and iPhone 6s does. This will be my choice for the foreseeable future.
    Last edited by Arcalis; 04-20-2016 at 09:34 AM.
    04-20-2016 09:19 AM
  20. rucaryl's Avatar
    Totally agree with you. I have recently change from my Lumia 1020 to S7 Edge. At the beginning I was very sad to do it, but here in Peru there were no news on when does the Lumia 950XL will arrive, and my screen broke. I even talked to a friend that works on a carrier and he told me that they will no longer support the WM platform.
    So far with the S7 I am very pleased to find that everything works fine and the apps are way much better (I Use a lot WAZE) and having all the apps from Microsoft on Android makes the transition very easy.
    I will have no trouble at all to return to WM (I have a Surface Pro 3) when Microsoft has a 10% market share and the apps that I most use are available.
    04-20-2016 12:19 PM
  21. jabtano's Avatar
    I have always had a WP HTC HD7-Nokia 710- Nokia 925- HTC M8 for Windows.I'm on T-MO us with a 6 person family plan. do switching to AT&T was not an option for me. the M8 died with nothing to upgrade to I went with the Galaxy S6 edge plus. I love the device but I'm not a fan of android OS I miss the live tiles giving me info at a glance, I miss having my notes and reminders pined on my tiles. There is so much good to the WP OS it really is amazing.. If only Microsoft felt the same way. they could have made a few really nice high end units and put them out there not just on one carrier. My gosh T-MO us wanted the 950xl but Microsoft never offered it according to T-MO CEO.Really? how can one mke a device and then restrict it's sales and availability.. No I did not leave WP. WP and Microsoft left me.
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    04-20-2016 04:38 PM
  22. SEB2014's Avatar
    today is my first day on the S7 Edge after the L1520, 640XL, L1020....So far I am really underwhelmed, really hard to getting used to the UI paradigm, I installed all the Microsoft apps on it and it still not good! argh!
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    04-20-2016 05:06 PM
  23. refishafi's Avatar
    i am a great fan of windows phone and have evangelised it in the past, i've owned the 1020, 930 and 950xl
    But ongoing 950xl woes, bugs, freezes, crashes, ux inconsistencies etc, finally made me decide to ditch it and go for the nexus 6p

    Although I miss the win phone ui and the live tiles, I am extremely impressed with the android phone. Initial thoughts
    1) Although all the apps I use are available on win phone, the quality and features of the same apps on android set them a world apart
    2) All the MS apps I need are available on android and of very good quality. In fact, annoyingly, I think one note (which I use a lot) is better on android than it is on windows phone!
    3) The app gap is huge, never really hit me until I've actually used android again. I do wonder if MS will ever be able to catch up
    4) Apps launch much faster than they ever did on the 950xl and none of the annoying resuming messages either
    5) Last used android in the days of the s3 and it has come leaps and bounds since then, most of the bugs and inconsistencies I remember have been resolved. If only windows mobile got some of the same love.
    6) When the 950xl came out, many reviews said that it felt cheap and plastic. I never really agreed. until I held the nexus 6p, which I got for a hundred odd pounds cheaper than the xl. Massive difference, the hardware is beautiful

    I would love to go back to win phone, however the OS is not ready (in my personal view), it is not as feature rich as other OS's, and is not as app rich. Perhaps will look at it again when/if the surface phone is released
    Last edited by refishafi; 04-21-2016 at 02:13 AM.
    04-21-2016 01:52 AM
  24. hasasimo's Avatar
    Let me guess... you were on an insider build...
    04-21-2016 02:09 AM
  25. refishafi's Avatar
    I was on production, then the insider for a while, then went back to production (latest version). It would be silly to compare the win OS while on an insider build to a production build of android.
    04-21-2016 02:14 AM
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