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  1. abel46's Avatar
    I've had several Android phones before, and none of them (post Gingerbread) have slowed down over time. I think the people who experienced these issues probably didn't wipe cache or factory reset after a major OS upgrade, or they bought a very cheap old Android and expected it to perform more like a flagship device. I've seen many friends of mine who use expensive iPhones buy those "free" Android phones on contract (which have old hardware, old OS, typically Gingerbread) and then complain that Android sucks. If you are going to compare to an iPhone, you really need to use a better midrange device (like the Moto G) or a flagship. I did see slowdown in the early days of Android, but anything after Gingerbread, I've had no issues with.

    The latest crop of Android phones are great, not at all like the old slow ones back in the day. My current Android phone, the Note 5, has been going strong since I got it. The iPhones are great as well.

    There are some limitations with iPhones. The file system is not exposed to the user like Android. You can't just connect it to a computer and drag and drop files like you can on Android. Usually you have to make use of cloud services to do this. Kind of a hassle for me, so I've never been able to stick with iOS due to this. I find it MUCH easier to simply connect and drag and drop on my Android and Windows phones.

    Why not try both? Does the retailer you are buying from have a return policy? Something like 2 weeks or 30 days? That would be the best way to go about this. Nothing beats trying out the devices yourself in your use case.
    Yes, some companies does have a 30 day return policy, which I have used more than one time. But for some reason they do not for phones. (Even when you buy it unlocked and us your old SIM card.)
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    04-21-2016 05:51 AM
  2. Erik Timko's Avatar
    I made a switch to android after 2,5 years with my Lumia 520. At first I was kinda sad when I said good bye to my L520 but now I feel like it was the right decision. I switched to Moto G 3rd gen now with Android 6.0 with Microsoft Arrow Launcher, which is great for people who don't like widgets like I do. The reason I switched was my growing frustration with the platform. Here are few of many frustrations over the past 2,5 year:

    App Gap:
    The App Gap is a real problem and it was the biggest frustration of them all. In one sentence you can say the Windows App Store is a rubbish, filled with 3rd apps with very low quality and abilities but filled with so many annoying ads that's not even pretty. Let's take a youtube app for example. Sure there many 3rd party apps but they just sucks. Many of them have very clumsy UI and very basic capabilities. And it's not the only app that's missing. Where's the Twitch app, reddit app, 9gag app and the list can go on forever. Even the apps that are there simply suck and are just sad excuse for usable app. Facebook messenger is old and in need of update because with current version of messenger there are no calls, no way to send a video you can't even change that stupid like finger for something more usable. Next is the great joke instagram app that will propably be forever in beta state. Even MS apps that should be best on WP are far behind MS app on Android. And in past few months MS basicly said "nah man we gonna give 99% of our support to devices with screens from 9-30inch because screw the mobile division" and other developers are jumping ships leaving apps with no updates and support.

    Windows 10 mobile joke:
    I kinda get it my L520 is very old device but I got annoyed with MS big way when they pulled that Win10M crap. At first they were like "Yeah win10 for everybody" and now they are like "wait we said that?? Nope we must've been drunk. We would never said something like that". So I was left with choice either stay in WP8.1 with even worse support than win 10 or go for the insider that is just far cry to usable OS. I chose the insider choise and boy was I wrong. Even the "production" build was so bad and unstable, it was even worse than android 2.3/4.0.1.

    WP8.1 UI:
    UI in WP8.1 was one big mess. Sure in many system apps the UI was nice and clean but other than that it was a bad dream. Ok let's start with home screen. The guy who thought that putting a picture on tiles not behind the tiles should get fired and never hired by anybody anymore. How in holly hell they thought it was a good idea to put a picture to the place where all the info was?? That was not funny MS.
    The notification bar was and still is a big mess as well. It was completely useless and for some reason it refused to notify the live tiles that the event was already checked. And then there were settings. Oh boy, just why??

    No solid upgrades:
    MS was unable to give a solid successors to the first generation of WP8 phones. For me there was no reason to upgrade my L520 because in that price range there was no phone that would be 100% upgrade. Every phone was either worse or nearly the same or more expensive than L520 2,5 years ago. The only device that is good as upgrade is the new L550. Other devices from the first generation have similar problem.

    All the promises from MS:
    All I was reading for the past 2,5 years was "Yeah we will bring developers", "We will make WP great", "We will bring upgrade" but in reality nothing happened and what's worse I feel cheated because I paid my money to be some kind of lab rad for MS so that they can beta test their services and app for other OS on me. Because android and iOS

    So yeah here are my reasons why I switched from windows to android. I was just sick and tired by being lab rat for MS with all it's promises. My L520 was getting old and it's battery was very weak so it was time to upgrade but after 2,5 years and all that supposed to be and didn't happen I was very hesitant to buy another Lumia phone. But when I came to the store I saw Lumia 550 and promise what can be with Win10 Mobile for 150€ and next to it I saw Moto G for 180€ with clean android I had to make decision to choose a WP that may or may not be usable and without app gap and may or may not end up like BB 10 or to choose widely supported Android.
    04-21-2016 09:05 AM
  3. sprtfan's Avatar
    Yes, there are several. Most are terrible, though. The one I'm trying now is called "Launcher 8 WP Style". Here's a link to it in the Play Store:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...m.lx.launcher8

    Keep in mind, the icon standards are different in Android so things are going to look a bit messy. I spent literally two hours fiddling and tweaking to make it look good (at least in my opinion). I did have to use one widget in order to get the calendar on the screen but I did so in a way that it looks pretty natural. Some of the regular Android icons can be made to look okay in tiles. Others can be replaced with images that look more like WP tile icons. I will probably do a bit more customizing on my phone to clean up some more of the ugly icons. Here's what the "Start Screen" on my Sony Xperia Z3 looks like right now:

    Attachment 125329
    What widget did you use for calendar? Are you using Outlook calendar or moved everything over to Google calendar? Calendar has been my biggest hurdle so far in trying to set up something on Android. Thanks
    04-21-2016 09:51 AM
  4. msft_tinkering's Avatar
    Same here. Yesterday was my first day on a Nexus 6p. Icons everywhere. semi useful widgets, but it's no home screen with live tiles. I now have a useful tool versus a really nice device that provides really intuitive & sometimes even enjoyable experience.

    The Nexus 6p is a sunk cost, so I'll use it for as long as I can tolerate it and hopefully MSFT will have pulled their head out and produced something worth coming back to on more than one network.
    04-21-2016 10:08 AM
  5. Tejasvi Bhat's Avatar
    My Lumia 925 is finally giving up on me. Windows mobile insider worked well while it lasted with a few forgivable gimmicks. I am wondering what to do now. Do you guys think Lumia 640 XL would be a good cheap alternative till the supposed Surface phone comes out? It is available for a great price on Amazon India. Only worry is the 8gb internal memory. Lumia 950 and 950 XL just don't seem worth it especially considering the price hasn't dropped at all in India as compared to other countries. And I really do not want to switch to Android.
    04-21-2016 10:28 AM
  6. RayWP7's Avatar
    "Grass is greener..."

    A month ago, after years (since day one launch of Samsung Focus) of being a WP user I decided to try out an Android handset. I bought the Samsung Galaxy S6. It was a sexy device. Unfortunately, after one day of use, I was frustrated with the lack of my live tiles and annoyed about the rigid icon placement and just overall experience. Again, nice phone. Just not for me. I returned it the next day. After my attempt and an attempt by my brother to use Android, my family is sticking with WP.

    I am starting to grow frustrated by some of the apps that would be helpful, but its not enough to make me abandon ship. I purchased a 950 and haven't looked back (particularly after buying one of the MOZO shells).

    My advice to people who would switch: buy a cheaper device first and give it a go. That way if you return it its not a problem. I paid cash for the S6 so it wasn't a big deal for the store to credit the return whenever, but the sales agent was quick to make sure that a few days time was ok since most people would use the return to buy another phone. She wanted to know if I'd rather exchange or credit (and therefore guarantee I spent money there). Trixy helpful woman.
    04-21-2016 10:51 AM
  7. robfuzz's Avatar
    Hi. First post here. Just wanted to add some hopefully not too rambling 2 cents.
    I'm a fairly recent convert to Windows as a personal daily driver and I'm (mostly) happy with it after years of iOS and Android and I want to explain my own experience. I had iPhones since the 3GS up to the 6. I amassed hundreds of apps. On my phone I'd have a hundred photo apps alone. I could gorge my heart out. It became a full time pastime playing with apps. Even though I only regularly used a handful, I needed to know everything could be available. I had a friend once call my iPhone "my little friend." I had Apple everything: every iPad,Macbook,Watch. One day I saw the first Surface tablet and I was intrigued and mentally filed it away. Then last year I took the plunge and got the Pro 3. As an artist I loved the idea I could draw and paint and do all my computing on the same device. I loved the type cover. I wasn't ready to jump all-in to Windows though because of the "app gap." The other piece of kit I always envied,as an artist,was the Galaxy Note phone with its stylus so last summer I jumped in with that, surrendering years of iOS. It was an adjustment but I found it complimented the Surface experience more than the iPhone which really works best when you're all-in with Apple,imo. The problem with my new Android phone however didn't become apparent to me until months later when I realized I was spending tons of time tweaking my phone....because I could! I went through many launchers and themes, creating my own icons, etc. Becoming more and more devoted to my Surface I then wanted my Note phone to mimic a Windows experience more and more. I found the Windows 8 launcher and after hours and hours of fiddling got it so someone actually thought I had a Windows phone! I couldn't ignore though how much time I was spending on all this. So, even though I knew I'd have access to less apps and less social support I figured if I was trying so hard to get a Windows phone experience I might as well try a Windows phone. I knew I loved the live tiles but how much fussing could I do with this phone? I discovered....not much....thankfully!! Aside from adjusting a tile to a few different sizes and having my background being full screen or tiled, that was it! Not as restrictive as iOS but not as full-time geeky as Android. It's been a slightly awkward transition...but also a relief. I miss some apps but have found workarounds and I strangely have hope for the future of Windows Mobile. I've discovered I love the experience of this phone OS. Its focused, like iOS, but its an interface that works with me instead of just presenting me with a boring rack of app icons and saying "good luck!" Now I have only a few dozen apps and am quite content. I have my life back. People seem to want all the apps they can get, like a buffet. Its like "57 channels but nothing's on." I have a coworker with probably 500 apps on her iPhone. She has to use her search bar to find one. With Windows I would make a guess that the most painful areas are with gaming and socializing. When I look at the top selling apps for iPhone its all games and social apps. So I don't deny that would be a problem if you need those. I like a puzzle app or two and Twitter, but that's about it so I can get by. Having said all this I don't think Windows 10 Mobile is off to a great start as there are many bugs and problems. But I'm patient. If I'd been a longtime Windows Phone user I might not be, so I understand others' frustrations. I guess I like rooting for the underdog.
    04-21-2016 11:39 AM
  8. broar94's Avatar
    My Lumia 925 is finally giving up on me. Windows mobile insider worked well while it lasted with a few forgivable gimmicks. I am wondering what to do now. Do you guys think Lumia 640 XL would be a good cheap alternative till the supposed Surface phone comes out? It is available for a great price on Amazon India. Only worry is the 8gb internal memory. Lumia 950 and 950 XL just don't seem worth it especially considering the price hasn't dropped at all in India as compared to other countries. And I really do not want to switch to Android.
    Well you know what to do... Nokia will not drop that 950 price anytime here. 640xl is extremely good how about the 650 though it has lesser battery?)
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    04-21-2016 11:56 AM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    I guess Mary Jo Foley finally left Windows Phone. She was one of the last big WP people to give up. She now joins Tom Warren and Paul Thurrot as people who would like to stay with WP because they love the UI, but can't really justify it anymore. Especially when the MS experience is in some ways better elsewhere.
    04-21-2016 12:18 PM
  10. billy269's Avatar
    Strongly considering buying a Zmax 2 at $80 to give Android a try. I love my 640, glance screen, Lockmix (best lockscreen app ever), tile layout UI, and live tiles, but the app situation is godawful. I cannot believe that MLB At Bat is gone now. I tried to find a workaround but there are no browsers that work with flash on WP. I would like to watch MSNBC live, but there is no app or flash so I cannot do that. I dislike the look and layout of Android, even with a launcher, but I think that is a sacrifice I am willing to make in order to have the freedom of using my phone for things I would like to use it for...

    Anyone know of any Android alternatives to Glance Screen and the Lockmix app?
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    04-21-2016 01:20 PM
  11. garak0410's Avatar
    I guess Mary Jo Foley finally left Windows Phone. She was one of the last big WP people to give up. She now joins Tom Warren and Paul Thurrot as people who would like to stay with WP because they love the UI, but can't really justify it anymore. Especially when the MS experience is in some ways better elsewhere.
    I emailed Paul a few times during my agonizing switch to Android from Windows Phone back in October. I could tell he was agonizing as much as I was that he was contemplating moving off of WP. I, like him, still have a Windows Phone or two to keep up with it, but it is no longer my daily driver.
    04-21-2016 02:21 PM
  12. Attic Muse's Avatar
    The guy who thought that putting a picture on tiles not behind the tiles should get fired and never hired by anybody anymore. How in holly hell they thought it was a good idea to put a picture to the place where all the info was??
    Different strokes for different folks. For me, that is by far one of the most visually appealing things about Windows Phone over iOS and Android. Maybe it's because I prefer more minimalistic wallpapers, so there was never too much "noise" distracting me from the info on the tile. But yeah, I much prefer that to iOS with a wallpaper that gets covered with a bunch of different coloured icons, and you can only see the image in the gaps between.

    On the topic of switching platforms though: I'm really starting to consider it, but I'm very torn. I'm pretty invested in the Microsoft ecosystem, and I like the direction they're headed, I just don't know if I have the patience to keep with them while they get there. Currently using a Lumia 925, and while I was a little disappointed to hear it wouldn't get the official W10 update, I was already on Insider builds so I figured I would just have to continue with that. But now I find out that I won't be getting any further Insider builds either, which has me a little miffed. The experience is not totally awesome, but I was holding out expecting it to get better and hoping that new features like Messaging Everywhere would make it worth it. Without that though, I'm really driven to wanting a new phone. The issue is I can't decide what to get. I can trade-in my 925 and get a discount on the 950, but I've heard pretty polarizing reviews about it: for some people it's totally amazing, and for others it's a hot mess. And I don't want to go for a low-end device because I really want my phone to work and work well, I want it to fly, little to no compromises.

    So that doesn't leave me many options within W10, making me look outwards to Android (had an iPhone before my 925, doubt I'll ever go back). The Nexus 6P looks like an amazing phone, and I can get it for basically the same price as the 950. At first I told myself I didn't want to get something so "popular", because I've enjoyed being a little unique and different with a Windows phone. But then I realized, in all the time I've had my 925, the only times I've actually stood out from my friend's phones was when I couldn't get an app, or my app was outdated, or something similar. I don't think there's ever been anything that has set me apart for good reasons. So while I think I'll miss the tight integration with my other Microsoft devices, it does seem like as time goes on they're adding more and more compatibility with Android, and I wouldn't be surprised if they released their Messaging app on it, bringing Messaging Everywhere along. So maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
    04-21-2016 02:43 PM
  13. azteca911's Avatar
    Sadly my 1520 is dying. I will be looking at a Nexus 6p this weekend. I will keep my eye on the upcoming Surface phones with the idea of coming back to Windows phone one day.
    04-21-2016 02:54 PM
  14. libra89's Avatar
    Strongly considering buying a Zmax 2 at $80 to give Android a try. I love my 640, glance screen, Lockmix (best lockscreen app ever), tile layout UI, and live tiles, but the app situation is godawful. I cannot believe that MLB At Bat is gone now. I tried to find a workaround but there are no browsers that work with flash on WP. I would like to watch MSNBC live, but there is no app or flash so I cannot do that. I dislike the look and layout of Android, even with a launcher, but I think that is a sacrifice I am willing to make in order to have the freedom of using my phone for things I would like to use it for...

    Anyone know of any Android alternatives to Glance Screen and the Lockmix app?
    I don't know about lockmix but the Nexus 5x and 6p both have Ambient Display, which is very similar to Glance. I believe there are some other Androids with similar things but it all depends on the phone.
    04-21-2016 03:24 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    At first I told myself I didn't want to get something so "popular", because I've enjoyed being a little unique and different with a Windows phone. But then I realized, in all the time I've had my 925, the only times I've actually stood out from my friend's phones was when I couldn't get an app, or my app was outdated, or something similar. I don't think there's ever been anything that has set me apart for good reasons.
    This is something I've never understood about WP fans' claims to like to be different. I do realize that in certain cases there is something to be said for standing out from the crowd, but to me a choice of smartphone is not the place. There are no advantages in real everyday life. The issues are exactly what you've seen: smaller app supply, harder to find accessories such as cases and screen protectors, and less resources for help and replacement.
    04-21-2016 03:38 PM
  16. wgs84's Avatar
    This is something I've never understood about WP fans' claims to like to be different. I do realize that in certain cases there is something to be said for standing out from the crowd, but to me a choice of smartphone is not the place. There are no advantages in real everyday life. The issues are exactly what you've seen: smaller app supply, harder to find accessories such as cases and screen protectors, and less resources for help and replacement.
    Too right. When you buy a phone or anything, you choose the one that does the job the best for you. I think it's absolutely foolish to buy a certain phone just so that you can show it off. And even then, I find that nobody really cares about what phone you use, other than fanboys who throw around dumb terms like iSheep or lagdroid.
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    04-21-2016 04:40 PM
  17. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    What widget did you use for calendar? Are you using Outlook calendar or moved everything over to Google calendar? Calendar has been my biggest hurdle so far in trying to set up something on Android. Thanks
    It's called Simple Calendar Widget
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    04-21-2016 06:17 PM
  18. Compiux's Avatar
    I had to switch since I broke my L1020 screen and my carrier no longer sells WP.
    I acquired a Huawei G7 and I am satisfied with the phone. The EMUI could be better but it's functional and easy to use. I do miss the customization of Windows 10 mobile home screen and the live tiles but that's life.

    Concerning the performance, the phone works smooth. Sometimes it has lagspikes but it's unusual. I am planning on installing Cyanogenmod somewhere in the future but for now I think the phone works great. Android is a pretty solid OS, I avoid using google service because I like MS services better, but sometimes I can't avoid it (bing app is region locked, and the outlook app is not better than the stock gmail app).

    Overall, I think both platforms are good... WP is behind with the app gap and whoever says there is no gap is lying to himself (I have several apps on my android that were awful or nonexistant on WP) but if you compare the OS side to side they both are very similar and strong, there are pros and cons on every side. Had WP no app gap I would have done everything I could to stay on the windows side, but I had to switch and I am satisfied with the change. If in the future things change then I will gladly come back :)
    04-21-2016 06:28 PM
  19. bluefirestarter's Avatar
    I've been a Windows Phone/Mobile fan since WinMo6 but I decided Tuesday to make the jump to the iPhone 6S Plus. I tried a Galaxy S7 Edge for a day but I don't think I've ever hated a piece of technology so much in my life. I promptly returned that train wreck and switched to an iPhone. I'm gonna hang onto my 950XL for testing purposes. Hopefully the quality of the new builds improve because the quality of the recent builds were so frustrating you could tell they almost don't care anymore. Really gonna miss the live tiles and wireless charging but I need a phone that works (and yes I put it back to stock and it was still glitchy and awful) sigh
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    04-21-2016 10:01 PM
  20. slivy58's Avatar
    My decision to move on for real has just begun, put all three of my WPs on the auction block today and the saddest part about it, I’ll be lucky to get a dime for either one of them :(
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    04-21-2016 11:54 PM
  21. Guytronic's Avatar
    My wife was just gifted an iPhone 6+ in lieu of the 640 I gave her.
    She has always said she cared little for what smartphones had to offer.

    What I've noticed in the last 2 days is she is on the iPhone more than her beloved Windows notebook.
    She hardly ever used her Windows phone that I got for her :(
    I have always tried to point out things that the WP can do to no avail.
    The battle is finally over...
    04-22-2016 12:10 AM
  22. casab1anca's Avatar
    I'm back on WP after returning the iPhone 6S for the third time in the last 6 months. Every time I switch thinking the grass is greener on the other side, but it really isn't. My 950 is working better than ever after I downgraded from Redstone to 10586.218.

    What's good about the iPhone:
    - Battery life is stellar.
    - Both the OS and apps are very stable and rarely stutter.

    What's bad:
    - iOS has lots of little quirks and bugs just like any other OS. It's not the flawless OS that everyone makes it sound like. Apple Maps suddenly stopped showing traffic overlays on the map and I couldn't figure out how to fix it (a reboot didn't help).
    - The iOS keyboard sucks. SwiftKey is better but still no match for the WP keyboard. My typing speed tanked on the iPhone as I was making so many more mistakes.
    - Because iOS doesn't have a back button, there is no standard way to dismiss the keyboard. In some apps, you can just tap above the keyboard to dismiss it. In some others, you have to swipe down. In yet others, there is absolutely no way to hide the keyboard without cancelling the current operation.
    - The mail and calendar experience is poor. There's no way to have separate notification counts for different inboxes. Calendar invites show up as attachments in email and you have to go to the calendar app to respond.
    - It's 2016 and iOS still doesn't support photo sharing via Bluetooth.

    I don't use a lot of apps and the handful that I need are available on WP. What matters to me is the core experience (phone, contacts, email, calendar, keyboard) and for that, it seems like WP is still king.
    04-22-2016 01:40 AM
  23. Guytronic's Avatar
    My decision to move on for real has just begun, put all three of my WPs on the auction block today and the saddest part about it, I’ll be lucky to get a dime for either one of them :(
    :(
    I have 2 Windows phones for sale right now myself.
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    04-22-2016 02:23 AM
  24. costas60's Avatar
    :(
    I have 2 Windows phones for sale right now myself.
    hopefully I can now find some
    cheap 950's on fleabuy
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    04-22-2016 05:43 AM
  25. Erik Timko's Avatar
    Different strokes for different folks. For me, that is by far one of the most visually appealing things about Windows Phone over iOS and Android. Maybe it's because I prefer more minimalistic wallpapers, so there was never too much "noise" distracting me from the info on the tile. But yeah, I much prefer that to iOS with a wallpaper that gets covered with a bunch of different coloured icons, and you can only see the image in the gaps between.
    It was nice but minimalistic wallpapers were the only ones and not even all of them that could be used as wallpaper on WP 8.1. The wallpaper had to be dark because with light wallpaper you couldn't see anything on tiles. I like how in Win 10m you could choose where you want to put wallpaper. But still it took MS more than a year to even give us the ability to use wallpaper and another year to let us choose where to put the wallpaper. I loved to customize my device with wallpapers and tiles layout but with WP 8.1 I found the wallpaper customization very limited because of the placement of wallpaper.
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    04-22-2016 07:25 AM
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