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  1. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    :(
    I have 2 Windows phones for sale right now myself.
    i'll 3rd that. 2 735's on ebay. second listing, no takers,,,, yet.
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    04-22-2016 08:11 AM
  2. Jason Gilbert's Avatar
    After trying out the ZTE Maven for about a month (surprisingly peppy, but I couldn't live with 8GB of storage), I traded in the 830 for a silver GS7 Edge. It's every bit as wonderful as people say it is, though you'll want a case for it since the back is slippery and flat. I've had the same "Android awakening" that other WP users have: Outlook is great, all the apps you could want, and the phone itself is light years beyond the 950. I also love that my DT-900s will work just fine on the GS7, though maybe not as fast as the Samsung offering.

    And so ends 4 years of WP usage. (900, 520, and an 830). I understand that MS has a vision for the future, but I need a phone that works right now, and I can't handle the bugs in W10 anymore. Good night, and good luck.
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    04-22-2016 09:42 AM
  3. cmucodemonkey's Avatar
    I guess Mary Jo Foley finally left Windows Phone. She was one of the last big WP people to give up. She now joins Tom Warren and Paul Thurrot as people who would like to stay with WP because they love the UI, but can't really justify it anymore. Especially when the MS experience is in some ways better elsewhere.
    You can add me to that list now as well. I am planning on keeping my Lumia 735 since it is already paid off and I love the UI, but the app gap is becoming too much and there is no telling when Verizon will get around to releasing Windows 10 Mobile. I may go back at some point, but I think I need a break from Windows Mobile.
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    04-22-2016 09:57 AM
  4. dgr_874's Avatar
    Im finally headed out the door as of today too. I haven't been receiving Cortana reminders for about two weeks now. No reminders to leave or alarms or anything. I have tried the Insider Previews and the release candidates with multiple soft and hard resets. Nothing works for my 1520 or surface pro. Ironically(or not), they work on my Galaxy S6. Now i have the issue where quiet hours won't end at the scheduled time and the alarms won't go off. I almost missed work today because of that. Thankfully I had another alarm set on a different device that worked properly.

    It's been a fun learning experience though. I consider myself one of those "isheep" oh so long ago. I never even wanted to learn about operating systems, or UI or how cloud services work. Now, I am having a blast digging into everything from all 3 of the major operating systems.

    I'll still miss those days when I fired up my Surface pro with 8.1, and connected to my 1520's wifi without even taking the phone out of my pocket. I logged in to a start menu which had the exact same layout and programs as my home PC. All my files were visible right in my file explorer thanks to OneDrive and the stub files. I'll miss browsing what was new with all my people from the people tile. Updating my status from the ME tile was so great. Such good times...

    Hopefully I'll be back after Microsoft is done with its transformation sometime early next year.
    04-22-2016 10:15 AM
  5. Joseph Avena's Avatar
    This is a total disaster, had enough, moving on to another platform....I'm done
    04-22-2016 10:27 AM
  6. Zulfigar's Avatar
    This is a total disaster, had enough, moving on to another platform....I'm done
    A beta OS that is now in the "adding features" part of the process and it will have issues, that's why the program is around, to give feedback so the mass majority who will get the update in a couple months won't have the issues we see.

    Yeah, this part is a disaster, it's suppose to be. Give Microsoft feedback, as much feedback as you can, so they can fix it before it's out in July.
    Kevin Rush and Misayuki like this.
    04-22-2016 10:39 AM
  7. NiteCourt's Avatar
    I left about a year ago. I have a 640 and 8x I turn once in while to admire the live tiles and see them update. I'll check email and go into a few apps. Yesterday reminded me why I left and haven't regretted it. Yesterday I got a text message that a prescription was ready to pickup. On my PC I typed to Cortana to remind me to pick up the prescription when I left work. When I left work and drove down the block Cortana on my S7 Edge in my pocket said you have a reminder. I looked at my Pebble watch and saw the text portion of the reminder. At the drugstore I opened their app and the clerk scanned the bar code and got the prescription. I then signed for it on the phone with my finger. I then opened Samsung pay and took care of the bill. I want to be able to do that with my Windows Phone.
    libra89, tgp, dgr_874 and 2 others like this.
    04-22-2016 11:46 AM
  8. Tonytoronto2015's Avatar
    A beta OS that is now in the "adding features" part of the process and it will have issues, that's why the program is around, to give feedback so the mass majority who will get the update in a couple months won't have the issues we see.

    Yeah, this part is a disaster, it's suppose to be. Give Microsoft feedback, as much feedback as you can, so they can fix it before it's out in July.
    We did give them feedback, and they decided to do nothing with the feedback and instead cancel the w10 updates to most w8.1 phones alltogether. So much for no phone left behind.
    04-22-2016 04:50 PM
  9. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    One thing I like about the messaging on my Android phone is that unlike my Windows Phone, is whenever I send a message I know it's sent. If it has problems it will show "Sending..." until it's done whereas Windows Phone doesn't. This means I have no idea if a message I just sent has really been sent on Windows Phone. I can't count the number of times I've had a message bounce back as unsent several minutes later when I thought it was gone! If Windows 10 Mobile doesn't have this feature yet, they really need to do the same. If I send an urgent message I don't want to be wondering for the next few minutes if it actually went. Read receipts are not the solution and an unnecessary overkill.
    libra89 and chmun77 like this.
    04-22-2016 05:12 PM
  10. gadgetpig's Avatar
    One thing I like about the messaging on my Android phone is that unlike my Windows Phone, is whenever I send a message I know it's sent. If it has problems it will show "Sending..." until it's done whereas Windows Phone doesn't. This means I have no idea if a message I just sent has really been sent on Windows Phone. I can't count the number of times I've had a message bounce back as unsent several minutes later when I thought it was gone! If Windows 10 Mobile doesn't have this feature yet, they really need to do the same. If I send an urgent message I don't want to be wondering for the next few minutes if it actually went. Read receipts are not the solution and an unnecessary overkill.
    "If it has problems it will show "Sending..." until it's done whereas Windows Phone doesn't. This means I have no idea if a message I just sent has really been sent on Windows Phone. I"

    Are you talking about SMS Delivery confirmation? In W10M 10586.218 go to system>messaging>sim>enable SMS delivery confirmation. I get notifications from my carrier when my SMS is sent.
    Last edited by gadgetpig; 04-23-2016 at 12:04 PM.
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    04-22-2016 11:00 PM
  11. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    "If it has problems it will show "Sending..." until it's done whereas Windows Phone doesn't. This means I have no idea if a message I just sent has really been sent on Windows Phone. I"

    Are you talking about SMS Delivery confirmation? In W10M 10596.218 go to system>messaging>sim>enable SMS delivery confirmation. I get notifications from my carrier when my SMS is sent.
    As I said, read receipts are an overkill for every message. They are for determining if the recipient actually received it. Obviously for extremely important messages that is useful but not for day to day texting. I just need to know that the phone actually sent it before I send the next text. This is especially important in a marginal signal area. I may be in a conversation only to have a message or two bounce back a minute or two later. All Windows phone needs is a sending indicator like on Android so I know to make sure it's sent before sending the next text so they don't get an out of sequence conversation. I don't know if iOS also has a sending indicator as I don't have an iPhone, only an iPad.
    04-23-2016 09:34 AM
  12. sprtfan's Avatar
    It's called Simple Calendar Widget
    Thanks, I checked it out and it looks nice but I can't get it to work with Outlook calendar. Did you switch to Google calendar or did you sync your Outlook calendar to Google Calendar?
    04-23-2016 11:38 AM
  13. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    We did give them feedback, and they decided to do nothing with the feedback and instead cancel the w10 updates to most w8.1 phones alltogether. So much for no phone left behind.
    It's unreasonable to expect that no phone will be left behind. An old, low cost, or low spec phone would never be able to be upgraded.

    As I understand it, your feedback was used and it proved that upgrading those specific phones would not result in a "good" experience for their users. Thank you for your feedback. I wouldn't want a less than "good" experience for any phone's users. Enjoy your phone with the OS that it was designed for. I like the WindowsPhone 8.1 operating system. Or be a good Microsoft customer and buy a new Microsoft Lumia phone. Spending money makes the world work.
    04-23-2016 12:09 PM
  14. chmun77's Avatar
    - iOS has lots of little quirks and bugs just like any other OS. It's not the flawless OS that everyone makes it sound like. Apple Maps suddenly stopped showing traffic overlays on the map and I couldn't figure out how to fix it (a reboot didn't help).
    Get Here maps. It is still supported on iOS / Android, unlike on Windows phone.


    - The iOS keyboard sucks. SwiftKey is better but still no match for the WP keyboard. My typing speed tanked on the iPhone as I was making so many more mistakes.
    User problem it seems to be here.


    - Because iOS doesn't have a back button, there is no standard way to dismiss the keyboard. In some apps, you can just tap above the keyboard to dismiss it. In some others, you have to swipe down. In yet others, there is absolutely no way to hide the keyboard without cancelling the current operation.
    Again, seems like you are just not used to iOS. User's problem here.


    - The mail and calendar experience is poor. There's no way to have separate notification counts for different inboxes. Calendar invites show up as attachments in email and you have to go to the calendar app to respond.
    Well, you can always get MS Outlook if it is a more familiar product for you. And it is so much better than on the windows phone version. iOS apps are much much more polished.


    - It's 2016 and iOS still doesn't support photo sharing via Bluetooth.
    Google, Microsoft and Apple will encourage you to use cloud to share stuffs since it is already 2016.
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    04-23-2016 01:09 PM
  15. chmun77's Avatar
    This is something I've never understood about WP fans' claims to like to be different. I do realize that in certain cases there is something to be said for standing out from the crowd, but to me a choice of smartphone is not the place. There are no advantages in real everyday life. The issues are exactly what you've seen: smaller app supply, harder to find accessories such as cases and screen protectors, and less resources for help and replacement.
    Well said! The same reason why I left this pathetic platform. I don't want to be the unique one standing out. I want to enjoy what most of the people are enjoying with the device I purchased. Otherwise, it is a waste of money.
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    04-23-2016 01:12 PM
  16. chmun77's Avatar
    Now I have only a few dozen apps and am quite content. I have my life back. People seem to want all the apps they can get, like a buffet. Its like "57 channels but nothing's on." I have a coworker with probably 500 apps on her iPhone. She has to use her search bar to find one.
    Why not you try installing 500 apps on your windows phone and see if will you face the same experience like your coworker does? 500 apps!! C'mon man.... It will be a nightmare even on a computer with 500 applications installed!! However, iOS has no performance issues even with 500 apps installed. Try that on windows 10 mobile, I can tell you the phone will crash in no time.
    04-23-2016 01:18 PM
  17. Attic Muse's Avatar
    This is something I've never understood about WP fans' claims to like to be different. I do realize that in certain cases there is something to be said for standing out from the crowd, but to me a choice of smartphone is not the place. There are no advantages in real everyday life. The issues are exactly what you've seen: smaller app supply, harder to find accessories such as cases and screen protectors, and less resources for help and replacement.
    All totally valid points. To be fair being different wasn't necessarily a big factor when originally buying my Lumia, I honestly thought it would be a good phone for a Microsoft fan like myself. And at first it was, but over time the experience has worn on me. I was aware of the app gap, but I figured it would improve over time, and it hasn't yet, at least not in the areas I need it to.
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    04-23-2016 03:11 PM
  18. deezus's Avatar
    After 2 950s screen failures and constant BT issues, as well as countless missteps by MS in mobile I'm done. I think things really went south for me when MS completely scrapped Zune software, the main reason I was attracted to their phones. It was sleek, fast and had so many features, most of which has been copied by others, that I just never got over it. Not only that, MS has had 5 years to bring their music software inline and still has failed . That and the lackluster hardware and the app gap which is not only real but ridiculously real. I mean even the basic social apps like FB don't work. Its sad really and I'm not sure who is to blame but I'm done hanging on to something that has definitely lost its way.....it was like being in a relationship and I was the only one trying to make it work. So now, I have an iPhone and an S6. I will miss groove but it has so many issues any way but am I really giving up? Ill just have to use a streaming service and buy all my music from amazon.....what really bothers me about this and ive still yet to hear an answer as to why they scrapped Zune software instead of just rebranding it to groove or whatever? I just cant wrap my mind around it.....anyway, it was a nice run, ill check on the surface phone if its ever released and if it is, it better run android apps or it is dead in the water.
    04-23-2016 05:41 PM
  19. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    After 2 950s screen failures and constant BT issues, as well as countless missteps by MS in mobile I'm done. I think things really went south for me when MS completely scrapped Zune software, the main reason I was attracted to their phones. It was sleek, fast and had so many features, most of which has been copied by others, that I just never got over it. Not only that, MS has had 5 years to bring their music software inline and still has failed . That and the lackluster hardware and the app gap which is not only real but ridiculously real. I mean even the basic social apps like FB don't work. Its sad really and I'm not sure who is to blame but I'm done hanging on to something that has definitely lost its way.....it was like being in a relationship and I was the only one trying to make it work. So now, I have an iPhone and an S6. I will miss groove but it has so many issues any way but am I really giving up? Ill just have to use a streaming service and buy all my music from amazon.....what really bothers me about this and ive still yet to hear an answer as to why they scrapped Zune software instead of just rebranding it to groove or whatever? I just cant wrap my mind around it.....anyway, it was a nice run, ill check on the surface phone if its ever released and if it is, it better run android apps or it is dead in the water.
    The Zune desktop pc software is still available and a free download. It works with windows 7, 8, and 8.1 OS. ( I don't have Windows 10 so I can't speak to that OS.) It works with the Xbox music video services and MY music stored in the cloud on OneDrive. I recently purchased a movie on my Xbox 360 and it showed up on ZUNE and I watched it. Even though MS has removed some features, it is still light years ahead of other software! The curated playlists and I think celebrity playlists and podcast management are still there. The animated graphic visuals of the bands are still beautiful It's amazing. It seems that the software programmers, back then, were so good, that when you take out a few features (like social) what is left is still great!
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-23-2016 08:25 PM
  20. The Lone Centurion's Avatar
    My 735 doesn't show a timestamp on a message until it's been sent. So when I send a text (or a skype message), the appearance of a timestamp means it's been sent. I thought that's how it worked?
    04-23-2016 11:28 PM
  21. Misayuki's Avatar
    This is something I've never understood about WP fans' claims to like to be different. I do realize that in certain cases there is something to be said for standing out from the crowd, but to me a choice of smartphone is not the place. There are no advantages in real everyday life. The issues are exactly what you've seen: smaller app supply, harder to find accessories such as cases and screen protectors, and less resources for help and replacement.
    Having something different and unique is precisely why I am leaving the android world and looking at Windows Phone. In my circle, it's a mix of iPhone and android users and coming from WebOS and Blackberry 10, there is really nothing unique, interesting or otherwise appealing about android or IOS aside from a vast amount of apps.

    I figured I'd give Windows a try. It's not about being advantageous. It's about wanting to step out this predefined box that so many people place themselves in. I love all technology so why would I, or for that matter, anyone want to limit themselves to having solely 2 choices in the world of mobile phones with IOS and Android? There is no competition really.

    What I notice is that so many people are trying to stick to one ecosystem? Why?

    I'm leaving Android as my smartphone, as soon as my Edge sells, but I am also going to remain within the system with my old Nexus 5 and I also am in the apple system my Mac and my Ipad.

    In the end, it's not about being different entirely for me. It's a big plus. It's also about wanting to support evolution and diversity and not sticking to the same ol' same ol. Because that's not how technology evolves and that is precisely why we are left with the lack of choice we have today.

    I'm looking to enhance my mobile experience. Not by trapping myself with Android and excluding all other choices but by realizing that on their own all 3 ecosystems are terrible and there is no one-size fits all for me and realizing you can use all 3 simultaneously.

    In the end, we aren't helping anything except these companies get richer and we as consumers are killing competition by not wanting to be different but just accepting whatever.

    Now my question is: What windows phone shall I buy?
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    04-24-2016 06:56 AM
  22. kaktus1389's Avatar
    Now my question is: What windows phone shall I buy?
    If you are low on budget or want to see if you actually like the platform before you check out the flagship phones, 640 or 640 XL is what you want.
    If money is not a problem for you and you're YOLO type of person (investing a lot without knowing if you really like the platform) go for 950 or 950 XL.

    For all people that just hate Windows Phone - I am not entirely sure why are you even here if you don't like Windows Phone and prefer iOS or Android over it. Anything said about UI is irrelevant, because everyone has his own taste. I prefer Windows platform over others, because for me (again, this is irrelevant) the UI is just the best. I do care about the app gap, but honestly, don't know on which Windows Phone did facebook not work for you, because for me it works without any problems. It is true that messenger app sucks, but it is still usable. I sort of understand your frustration if you can't live without snapchat or you need some serious apps for IT that are not available for Windows Phone.

    P.S.: Sorry for not hating everything associated with MS.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    04-24-2016 08:38 AM
  23. BerryZerkov's Avatar
    Yesterday I got a text message that a prescription was ready to pickup. On my PC I typed to Cortana to remind me to pick up the prescription when I left work. When I left work and drove down the block Cortana on my S7 Edge in my pocket said you have a reminder. I looked at my Pebble watch and saw the text portion of the reminder. At the drugstore I opened their app and the clerk scanned the bar code and got the prescription. I then signed for it on the phone with my finger. I then opened Samsung pay and took care of the bill. I want to be able to do that with my Windows Phone.
    All of that will be coming to the Microsoft ecosystem.
    Soon.
    Really.
    Bitter sarcasm aside, I'm very much in doubt on what to buy next.
    Mum is up for a new phone, wants to be able to WA (has a Nokia dumb phone still).
    Having a L630 less than 2 years old and being a member of the "Promises? What WP10 promises, you're SOL" team, I'm contemplating to buy 2 L650.
    Or something Android equivalent even though that would be a new eco system for me.
    Having adviced my dad to buy a Surface RT before, I wonder if going for a 650 will mean Mum will also be a member of the ****outofluck team in 18 months, might Redmond decide WP11x86 is the next best thing that will bring the future. Soon.
    The app gap is not very relevant for my mum nor for me although it would be nice if MS apps were as nice on WP10 as on iOS or Android.
    Simply not sure anymore if I can trust MS on the mobile market.
    04-24-2016 12:45 PM
  24. Kar98's Avatar
    For all people that just hate Windows Phone - I am not entirely sure why are you even here if you don't like Windows Phone and prefer iOS or Android over it.
    To annoy you personally. It's not that I just hate Windows Phone, I have one on my desk here, and another one in my desk at work. I gave MS all the chances, all the way back to Windows Pocket PC for Phones. And it's always been like, I can change baby, I promise, give me another chance, after the next reboot of the entire platform everything will be better, soon! I've been a staunch supporter of many brands and products, drove VWs for decades, used TomTom for navigation, stuck with Windows Phone for way too long, and the final straw was "eh, Immina go on a break to think about a few things, maybe next year I'll give it another shot, but you go and wait right here", i.e. here, have this barebones platform that has a few good points, and sit on it, it won't be our focus this year.
    04-24-2016 12:45 PM
  25. kaktus1389's Avatar
    To annoy you personally. It's not that I just hate Windows Phone, I have one on my desk here, and another one in my desk at work. I gave MS all the chances, all the way back to Windows Pocket PC for Phones. And it's always been like, I can change baby, I promise, give me another chance, after the next reboot of the entire platform everything will be better, soon! I've been a staunch supporter of many brands and products, drove VWs for decades, used TomTom for navigation, stuck with Windows Phone for way too long, and the final straw was "eh, Immina go on a break to think about a few things, maybe next year I'll give it another shot, but you go and wait right here", i.e. here, have this barebones platform that has a few good points, and sit on it, it won't be our focus this year.
    I am not entirely sure that I understand what is your point and how was this supposed to annoy me.
    04-24-2016 12:50 PM
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