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  1. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I tried android, note5 64 gb. Everyone told me about all the apps I was missing out on. However no one mentioned that if use a flashlight app or according to AT&T tech support any third party app your phone will have poor call quality/dropped calls. So what's the point I'm back on the trusty 1520 screw android. Ya they have more apps but you better not download them per AT&T.
    I've used an unlocked/unbranded Moto X Pure Edition on AT&T, and I haven't had any issues with dropped calls. I didn't expect any support from AT&T, since I didn't buy the device from them, but I haven't needed any support.

    I've used Nokia (Symbian), BlackBerry, Windows Phone, and Android devices on AT&T. Whether I've used AT&T branded devices or not, I've never had issues with dropped calls, and I don't remember ever needing to contact AT&T for anything other than getting a new SIM (nano SIM instead of micro SIM for a new device).
    05-04-2016 01:00 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I tried android... ...if use a flashlight app or according to AT&T tech support any third party app your phone will have poor call quality/dropped calls.
    Someone is selling you a load of bull snot there. Sounds like an "out" for not properly diagnosing/resolving an issue.
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    05-04-2016 01:32 PM
  3. raycpl's Avatar
    How about a OnePlus?....

    Best of luck in what ever you decide.
    My bro uses that, he has two .. a 16GB and later a 32GB model... He swears it takes pretty decent pictures..
    05-04-2016 08:23 PM
  4. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    I tried android, note5 64 gb. Everyone told me about all the apps I was missing out on. However no one mentioned that if use a flashlight app or according to AT&T tech support any third party app your phone will have poor call quality/dropped calls. So what's the point I'm back on the trusty 1520 screw android. Ya they have more apps but you better not download them per AT&T.
    I agree with RumoredNow. I can understand looking for a reason not to like Android but being gullible shouldn't be one of them. That's like buying a car and being told by the dealership that putting CD's in the CD player will cause the motor to start misfiring.
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    05-04-2016 10:07 PM
  5. chmun77's Avatar
    The majority of smartphone users aren't geeks, they're likely to use their phone as it is with maybe a few minor tweaks. The presence or absence of "really good customization" makes no difference to these users. Many of my friends with iPhones don't even know that iOS supports third-party keyboards, they just live with the stock keyboard even though there are much better alternatives.
    I disagree.I see Android users, especially those Samsung ones, knows how to customized their phones via different themes. Even XiaoMi phones promotes easy themes customization. They DO NOT need to be geeks in order to customize their phones. Now what do we have for WP when comes to customization? Nothing spectacular besides changing transparent wallpapers and tile sizes. As for your iPhone friends, perhaps they don't even need alternatives keyboards in the first place?? MS already delivering 3rd party keyboards to iPhone, so it is a matter of time iPhone users will try out 3rd party ones. However, where is the 3rd party keyboard alternatives for WP users? None.

    The WP app gap is certainly a problem for many people, but a lot of it also comes down to brand image. I know several people who hardly use any apps yet would never try WP because of its poor reputation.
    Brand image indeed. Why WP are receiving poor reputation? Because it is a windows phone! To them, what is windows phone? The phones are not even eye catching at all. Look at the flagships - 950 series. OMG...... Is really bad with the design. Look at G5, S7 edge, or even a budgeted XiaoMi Note 3, look so much better than the 950 flagships. Do you think consumers will even wanna try windows phone with such bad designs?

    These aren't "feelings", they're objective statements based on my daily usage patterns. A quick glance (pun intended) tells me when my next meeting is, how many calls, emails and IMs I have received -- all without even pressing a button. Neither iOS nor Android comes close.
    See? Again these are your personal likes and needs. Not everyone in this world want to have quick glance of when is the next meeting, missed calls, etc etc. Or even if they do, just tapping on the power button is not a huge chore at all. When attract them are the easy access upon waking up their phones. Finger print sensors on both Android and iPhone are just amazing. Windows Hello on the other hand is so slow and no apps leveraging the technology at all. Furthermore, G5 and S7 are now offering Always On displays too. Glance is no longer a perk on windows phone.

    I understand this may not represent the general consumer, but there's certainly a market for users focused on productivity, and I'm happy that Microsoft is focusing their efforts on that segment.
    Productivity? Sadly, most of the MS productivity apps are not even on par on the ones available on Android / iOS. Read about the latest SharePoint app? It is available on iOS first, then Android or windows phone. So much for being productive on windows phone. If one really needs to be productive, windows phone is never the ideal platform but Android. Why? For a start, USB OTG works on every Android handset, while only the latest windows phone flagships support OTG - not even a latest Lumia 650 because it does not support Continuum.
    05-04-2016 10:17 PM
  6. Chris Anderson11's Avatar
    Ya I told them they can either send me a new phone not a (certified like new device) which apparently is different then a refurbished device or I'm taking my business some where else. I have 4 lines and have been with AT&T since the 90's. Anyway I agree the tech guy didn't relay want to help I told him what a load of crap a flashlight app can interfere with call quality. The current note 5 is the third one they have sent me. The last two only seem to Operate on edge which is odd I can take the sim out of the note put it in 1520 and be on 4g. Also there is a AT&T tower on one of our farms the note still only gets edge while standing under the tower.
    05-04-2016 10:42 PM
  7. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    Ya I told them they can either send me a new phone not a (certified like new device) which apparently is different then a refurbished device or I'm taking my business some where else. I have 4 lines and have been with AT&T since the 90's. Anyway I agree the tech guy didn't relay want to help I told him what a load of crap a flashlight app can interfere with call quality. The current note 5 is the third one they have sent me. The last two only seem to Operate on edge which is odd I can take the sim out of the note put it in 1520 and be on 4g. Also there is a AT&T tower on one of our farms the note still only gets edge while standing under the tower.
    That sounds like a Samsung problem. My wife's new g5 has a flashlight built in. We are pretty rural and had far more dropped calls on Big Red than ATT.
    As a matter of fact I can't wait to get my driod back, not that the 640 isn't cutting it, its that I miss my apps. I really.miss depositing checks without having to drive 25min to town.
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    05-05-2016 10:49 AM
  8. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    My wife last night after idk 6 weeks?, with her lg g5 asked if she could use my spare 640. she said android was just too hard for her. She said everything was harder to do on it. She is now back using WP and she couldn't be happier. Facebook and everything else she uses works fine for her. I just wish I knew what to do with this g5, It's too late to give back to ATT. I guess one of these days we'll have to get her a 950xl, she sure wants one.
    Last edited by groady-ho baluzy; 05-06-2016 at 08:36 AM.
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    05-06-2016 07:59 AM
  9. michail71's Avatar
    My wife last night after idk 6 weeks?, with her lg g5 asked if she could use my spare 640. she said android was just too hard for her. She said everything was harder to do on it. She is now back using WP and she couldn't be happier. Facebook and everything else she uses works fine for her. I just wish I knew what to do with this g5, It's too late to give back to ATT. I guess one of these days we'll have to get her a 950xl, she sure wants one.
    I've been on a Note 4 for a few months now and I agree. It's overly complicated, inconsistent and frequently lags/hands. Although I have come to love the app freedom. There are several things I have been able to to that I couldn't with my Lumia. The following are just a few things I use on a regular basis.

    Use Torque with my car.
    Easily Stream media to my xbox 1 (ironic)
    Have a backup IR remote
    Control a Roku and Fire TV
    Cartwheel app for Target.
    Mercedes app for my car
    Use Android Auto
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    05-06-2016 10:14 AM
  10. jdballard's Avatar
    Screw MS. This Win 10 thing was promised back in the WP7 days. Even Win 8. Finally W10 is here and 920 is left out? Whatever.
    Lots of reason to leave MS/Windows phone, but the fact that a four year old phone isn't getting updated to Windows 10 isn't really one of them. Just my opinion.
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    05-06-2016 04:34 PM
  11. chmun77's Avatar
    My wife last night after idk 6 weeks?, with her lg g5 asked if she could use my spare 640. she said android was just too hard for her. She said everything was harder to do on it. She is now back using WP and she couldn't be happier. Facebook and everything else she uses works fine for her. I just wish I knew what to do with this g5, It's too late to give back to ATT. I guess one of these days we'll have to get her a 950xl, she sure wants one.
    Your wife need an iPhone..... just saying..... hahahahaha But then, if Facebook is all what she need, the Android version will be a much pleasant experience than the one on windows phone? Too slow and too much loading for almost every action on windows phone.
    05-06-2016 08:50 PM
  12. Snapperlicious's Avatar
    I'm on day 11 of my switch to Android from WP. Went to an S7E (Exynos version) from a 1520 and a 1020 before that. So far my experience is mostly positive. What I found interesting is that I haven't experienced most of the things that many criticize Android for. That being a slow, laggy, and buggy experience. My experience has been quite the opposite. My S7E is very smooth, fast, and reliable. My 1520 with W10 has been, and continues to be, much more representative of what others say about Android in general. So far I've only encountered one issue related to the screen lock, and I have been able to mitigate it completely. That's a stark contrast from the number of issues that I continue to encounter on my 1520.

    On the flip side, I do agree with some of the complicated comments. The Touch Wiz menu system is horrible, perhaps the worst I've encountered. I also think it has the steepest learning curve of the three OSs. Although after a week of use, I understand everything well and am able to get everything I want out of the phone. It just took me longer to get there than it did with the others.

    I loved WP 8.1, and I really wanted to love W10. I can't help but feel continually let down by MS though. The upgrade to W10 would have been so much more positive if they could have built on everything good from WP 8.1 with the addition of UWP and some other new features. Instead, it is such a mixed bag. Some things don't work as well as they did before, other things are missing, and of course some things are better. It's a tough pill to ask users to swallow when you offer such a mixed bag, and then introduce all the issues and slowness on top of it all. My initial experience with the S7E is so positive that I am more than happy to use that until MS gets it all sorted out, assuming that ever happens.
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    05-07-2016 12:26 PM
  13. wplee's Avatar
    I'm on day 11 of my switch to Android from WP. Went to an S7E (Exynos version) from a 1520 and a 1020 before that. So far my experience is mostly positive.
    Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm planning on picking up a S7E next month if everything goes according to plan, after 2 years with Windows Phone (now Lumia 630 on 8.1).

    I was worried about the Android lag because my WP always felt fluid and has never slowed down but seems like Samsung have resolved Touchwiz/RAM management better than ever before.

    I was considering getting a Huawei P9 or LG G5 and a cheap Windows 10 Lumia 550 for less than the price of the S7E but to be honest I don't know what I would actually still use the Lumia for? The S7E just has everything. Amazing design, apps, Waterproof, VR and best camera on the planet. Even The Verge (normally Apple biased) gave the S7 the highest mobile score of any device ever including iPhone.

    I will still use WC to keep up with Windows 10 on my Laptop but this chapter in mobile is over. I think Microsoft are on the right track with Windows 10, Surface, Cortana & Cloud. Their plan is light years ahead of Apple. But they have messed up terribly with Mobile (and Xbox). I'll have a look at the landscape again in Q3 2017 but I'm done with Coming Soon TM for now.
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    05-07-2016 04:54 PM
  14. casab1anca's Avatar
    I disagree.I see Android users, especially those Samsung ones, knows how to customized their phones via different themes. Even XiaoMi phones promotes easy themes customization. They DO NOT need to be geeks in order to customize their phones. Now what do we have for WP when comes to customization? Nothing spectacular besides changing transparent wallpapers and tile sizes.
    By that reasoning, nobody should be buying iPhones since they allow even less customization. But a lot of people do buy iPhones, which means a lot of people don't really care much about customization.

    Brand image indeed. Why WP are receiving poor reputation? Because it is a windows phone! To them, what is windows phone? The phones are not even eye catching at all. Look at the flagships - 950 series. OMG...... Is really bad with the design. Look at G5, S7 edge, or even a budgeted XiaoMi Note 3, look so much better than the 950 flagships. Do you think consumers will even wanna try windows phone with such bad designs?
    Android manufacturers have only recently focused on premium design and cleaner UIs. People were buying Androids before they had "eye catching" designs, so again design isn't the primary factor here. And the 950 looks very similar to the Nexus 5X, I don't see why either of those phones looks bad.

    See? Again these are your personal likes and needs.
    Yes, this thread is about why individual people are "thinking of leaving". I tried leaving several times and returned to WP, so I'm just posting my thoughts here.
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    05-08-2016 04:56 AM
  15. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    The problem is people get emotionally attached to a communication device and it some how becomes parr of their identity. Their friends judge them on what freaking phone they use. Like it or not in the US having a iPhone still means you're part of the "cool" crowd. I had no problems switching, installing a launcher that took care of the hideous grid of icons & installed the apps I was not able to use that made my life easier. That's the whole point right? Using a tool that makes your everyday life a little easier. Windows Phone was actually doing the opposite for "me."

    I mean what's the point of having a awesome phone, that you love, you think looks cool, your are 100% emotionally attached to the OS, if it is restrictive and a hindrance for the use it was made for?

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Last edited by Robinsonmac; 05-08-2016 at 02:39 PM.
    05-08-2016 08:25 AM
  16. libra89's Avatar
    The problem is people get emotionally attached to a communication device and it some how becomes parr of their identity. Their friends judge them on what freaking phone they use. Like it or not in the US having a iPhone still means you're part of the "cool" crowd.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    This is so accurate. One of my friends made a joke about our other friend finally upgrading to iPhone.
    Also when I turned off iMessage, one of my friends freaked out, joking about how we wouldn't have the same phone anymore. We both have the iPhone SE. Sad emoji with the tear and all.
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    05-08-2016 08:32 AM
  17. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    I'll use my profession as an example, in architecture all blueprints were hand drawn, then CAD became the norm. There were many architects that loved the way hand drawn plans looked and didn't want to switch to CAD for one reason or another, while the rest of the industry moved on to a tool that had clear benefits and made producing blueprints a lot easier, faster, etc. The architects that were emotionally attached to hand drawing had to make a choice, use a tool that was a hindrance, restrictive and inefficient but they loved or a tool that they didn't love but allowed them to be more efficient, produce blueprints faster and design better buildings. Guess what, no one hand draws blueprints anymore.

    Why would I use a commincations tool a "phone" that hinders my communication, makes me a less efficient communicator and denies me the ability to make my life easier by installing apps that do so, just because I "love" the OS, especially when I can make a different device look & feel close to the OS I "love" and have all the benefits of the other OS/platform plus the apps from OS maker for the other OS/platform are better than on the OS I "love"?

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Last edited by Robinsonmac; 05-08-2016 at 02:42 PM.
    05-08-2016 08:44 AM
  18. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    I'll use my profession as an example, in architecture all blueprints were hand drawn, then CAD became the norm. There were many architects that loved the way hand drawn plans looked and didn't want to switch to CAD for one reason or another, while the rest of the industry moved on to a tool that had clear benefits and made producing blueprints a lot easier, faster, etc. The architects that were emotionally attached to hand drawing had to make a choice, use a tool that was a hindrance, restrictive and inefficient but they loved or a tool that they didn't love but allowed them to be more efficient, produce blueprints faster and design better buildings. Guess what, no one hand draws blueprints anymore.

    Why would I use a commincations tool a "phone" that hinders my communication, makes me a less efficient communicator and denies me the ability to make my life easier by installing apps that do so, just because I "love" the OS, especially when I can make a different device look & feel close to the OS I love and have all the benefits of the other OS/platform plus the OS makers apps for the other OS/platform are better than on the OS I "love"?

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    That's exactly my view as well. If I recall, Paul Thurrot said essentially the same thing.

    I came back to Windows Phone twice because I really liked the OS and it's potential but each time but I find I end up staying with it for the wrong reasons.

    I have had the same experience with Linux on the desktop. I enjoy hacking around with it (even have a Raspberry Pi) but I always ended up going back to Windows Desktop because in the end it just didn't have what I needed.

    Sure I could probably force myself to get by in Linux desktop but why?

    Of course I am still using Linux when I use my Android phone anyway.

    I'm keeping my Lumia 640 though just in case things finally head in the right direction. Trying to be as much of an eternal optimist as I can :)
    05-08-2016 12:53 PM
  19. cmucodemonkey's Avatar
    You could always install Win10 via the Windows Insider app....
    I hear this argument a lot but it isn't always a good option, particularly if you use your phone daily. The builds available to insiders are not necessarily production ready, even if you are on the release preview ring. So if there are any bugs in those builds you are forced to take the good with the bad. Secondly, builds can be rather large and can potentially take a few hours to deploy to the device. Lastly, if you need to go back and forth between the current production code and the insider builds you have to do a rollback on your device, another action that could take some time.

    I love the concept of insider builds, but they are really more for testing not production devices.
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    05-10-2016 09:47 AM
  20. Darkgift's Avatar
    I hear this argument a lot but it isn't always a good option, particularly if you use your phone daily. The builds available to insiders are not necessarily production ready, even if you are on the release preview ring. So if there are any bugs in those builds you are forced to take the good with the bad. Secondly, builds can be rather large and can potentially take a few hours to deploy to the device. Lastly, if you need to go back and forth between the current production code and the insider builds you have to do a rollback on your device, another action that could take some time.

    I love the concept of insider builds, but they are really more for testing not production devices.
    There's fast ring, slow ring, and production ring which gives you the stable version that is used by all win10 devices out of the box. You should sign up and just use the production ring.
    05-10-2016 09:53 AM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    There's fast ring, slow ring, and production ring which gives you the stable version that is used by all win10 devices out of the box. You should sign up and just use the production ring.
    There is Fast, Slow, Release and Production.

    You cannot join Insider on the Production Ring. You won't even see it until you join one of the other Rings and accept an update.

    You cannot get (or even see) Release Ring if you are on Fast or Slow right now. Fast and Slow are on Redstone builds and Release is on Threshold. You can't revert off Redstone unless you use WDRT.

    If you are on any Ring and you go to Production that just stops future builds. It does not revert your device. You stay where you are until Official gets to a higher # and then you start picking up OTA Official updates.

    Release Ring is on the current branch (TH2) at 10586.242. It does differ from Production (10586.218), but it is testing patches and bug fixes. However, when all the fixes are done for TH2 it will start to get Redstone builds when those near, or are at, RTM status so there is still risk. No one can really say when Release will move off Threshold and onto Redstone. Witness how many in the Slow Ring got caught on an overnight push to Redstone and they wanted to stay on Threshold 2...

    At this time, Release is very stable. Legacy devices not getting Official W10M which can get on Release Ring should take advantage if their owners want W10M. Enroll in Insider. Choose Release. Accept the update(s) waiting. Choose Production to unenroll the device from Insider. Reset your device to make the smoothest transition. WaaS (Windows as a Service) will deliver any further Threshold updates to you without Insider being required.

    Once Redstone builds hit Release Ring all legacy devices not receiving Official will probably be barred from any Insider updates and W10M access will likely be closed off to them in perpetuity.


    Check out this thread: Windows Insider Testing and You [Recommended Guidelines]

    For right now, Windows Device Recovery Tool is only flashing 8.1 to models that did not launch with 10 so it is the only way to revert if you don't care for W10M, no matter which Ring you are on: How can I recover/reset/restore my phone software?
    05-10-2016 11:43 AM
  22. Ruster Kat's Avatar
    Went with the HTC 10 after all. First day on it. Really liking it, especially the hardware! I love my 920, but it is really nice to have apps and newer, speedier hardware! At first blush I have to say I do like the MS apps on W8.1 over their Android counterparts. Hoping for a MS comeback, but living in the present again after years in the cold.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    05-10-2016 05:37 PM
  23. leops1984's Avatar
    After about two and a half years of service it's time for me to upgrade from my Lumia 920. However... I'm not sure whether to stick around the Windows 10 Mobile ecosystem. I'm okay with Windows 10 Mobile right now, and but because I like to keep my devices for a long time (2-3 years) the uncertainty around Microsoft and mobile is... worrying.

    Logically the 950 XL would be a good upgrade to my 920 - the only question is whether it'll be good for the timeframe I like to keep my devices. I'm not super-bothered by the app gap, although it does become an issue at times (usually in the occasional times I travel).

    If I do jump to Android it'll be to something like the Nexus 6P, the Note 5, the Xperia Z5 Premium, or the Huawei P9.

    I would prefer to stay on Windows 10 Mobile, but should I?
    05-10-2016 11:57 PM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    After about two and a half years of service it's time for me to upgrade from my Lumia 920. However... I'm not sure whether to stick around the Windows 10 Mobile ecosystem. I'm okay with Windows 10 Mobile right now, and but because I like to keep my devices for a long time (2-3 years) the uncertainty around Microsoft and mobile is... worrying.

    Logically the 950 XL would be a good upgrade to my 920 - the only question is whether it'll be good for the timeframe I like to keep my devices. I'm not super-bothered by the app gap, although it does become an issue at times (usually in the occasional times I travel).

    If I do jump to Android it'll be to something like the Nexus 6P, the Note 5, the Xperia Z5 Premium, or the Huawei P9.

    I would prefer to stay on Windows 10 Mobile, but should I?
    Whether you want to stay with Windows 10 Mobile is up to you. Your best option is to get whatever device would best suit your needs now.

    If you do get an Android device, I recommend the Nexus 6P, but none of the others. The Nexus devices get regular updates (every month) for several years. The other Android devices might not get timely (or any) updates.
    05-11-2016 12:14 AM
  25. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    I have agonized over this decision, to leave or stay. Microsoft flat pissed me off, first the Onedrive Data limit, then the mobile Windows 10 upgrade. I like 10 on my phone, I really do, I like Android to a point and they have some really nice phones, the 950's are just not a great looking device, great hardware, really good camera, but just kinda blah. The new crop of Android phones, Really nice, and Samsung, LG, HTC are on the top of my list. But, as great as they are it still boils down to Android and Windows, and app just really doesn't figure in for me, I have an Android tablet to play with, Trouble is Android is just so cluttered up and no live tiles ( I really like the live tiles ) I just know I would regret later down the road that I got the Android phone, I want my phone to be fast, uncomplicated and likeable, yes I said, likeable, I just have not really liked any Android phone I have ever owned or used and I always traded them off in the first year, I have had my HTC M8 Windows for 2 years. So, with all that being said, 950 here I come, get a good looking case, and I will be happy. I am with Windows phone to the bitter end, just took me a while to figure it out. So, whatever you decide, I hope it is the right decision for you, Good luck and enjoy.
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    05-11-2016 10:47 AM
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