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Don't worry, the rate at which Nokia is falling they'll be switching to Android eventually. It was an asinine decision to stick to Windows Phone only. If HTC and Samsung can do both, so can Nokia. I've yet to see a single Windows Phone here in the 3 years that it's been out. I have seen thousands of One X, S3, Note etc etc. Heck I've seen the 808 PureView more than a Lumia phone, and the 808 costs nearly the same as 920.

geez I wish there was a multi quote option like on the real tapatalk app. Mods forgive me.

Nokia has been getting $250 million per quarter from Microsoft since 2011. That's without selling a single device.

People need to understand Nokia was in deep financial strains before signing up with Microsoft. Not to mention Nokia has outstanding loans. It takes time to put a OS like Android on a phone and add in the software add ons to stand out. It took Nokia close to a year or more just to get Windows Phone devices ready and that's with Microsoft doing most of the work. By the time Nokia would've had a Android device ready, they would've been out of business.
 

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They can sell 20 million units and their division will still be losing money, Nokia is more than just WP and yes, it's bad. They need high end phone sales with huge margins, not 10 million 521's that make $1 each

check Nokia financials and their media releases, they make the same profit margin on all phones. Shocking, I know. Sad is a understatement.
 

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ever heard of Nokia historical data? How about financial reporting? How about Bing or Google or Yahoo. Seek and you will find.

Just one of the thousands of search results

Nokia Lumia Smartphones Share Same Profit Margin As $26 Nokia 105 | Ubergizmo

You realize that 5% margin on a $600 phone is not same as 5% margin on a $25 phone, right? So selling 10 million HIGH END phones gives you MORE PROFIT than selling 10 million $25 phones.

Holy cow

I love the design and features of the HTC One but you would have to be crazy to invest in HTC right now. How can a company provide 18-24 month support when their execs are jumping ship daily. I have an HTC phone now, and love it, but I have very little faith that HTC will still be around much longer, 5 million phones sold is not going to bring in enough revenue to offset the astronomically large development/advertising cost. 5 million HTC Ones sold / 900 million android activations = .0055% of all android phone sold...

Wait. The One is like two months old, the Galaxy S 4 is like one month old. The GS4 sold 10 million in the first month, the One is rumored to have sold around 5 million in two months. Not to mention how every handset reviewer has been singing praises over the One. How can it be too little too late already? Seems like HTC is doing better than all the other Android manufacturers not counting Samsung.
 
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Yes, I did. Even if the One has great sales, there is the issue of the First tanking and being discontinued or never introduced.
All speculations based on absolutely no data. Even LG managed to make a profit with their Android phones. HTC is a small company compared to Nokia. HTC has almost no brand recognition compared to Nokia. Let me know when 5 million Lumia 920 have been sold and then I'll believe Nokia is better off without Android. Until then everything you've said is refuted by the success other Android OEMs are having.
 
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So wait let me get my math right.

Nokia's brand recognition with Windows Phone and their gaining marketshare could be better if they go into the sea of Android?

So HTC selling 5 million of the One's when they've FAILED at the HTC First and the under selling One X, V, S, and other lines is considered a win?? Their recent Droid lines weren't significantly stellar either.

But Nokia selling out of the 520 INSTANTLY when it was available on Walmart's site, appealing to an untapped market (prepaid and low cost smartphone users), AND gaining traction in marketshare is a fail?

Nokia is basically SAVING Windows Phone and is bringing ALL NEW MAINSTREAM APPS to the operating system SINGLEHANDEDLY. Where do you hear of HTC and Samsung doing this? They're NOT. So what can Nokia do on Android to make them stand out that's different from Windows Phone, and still remain relevant? I think they are FINE where they are, and instead of worrying about Nokia's "well-being", you should focus on your own, because believe me, they'll be fine with or without your help.

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Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?
 

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Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?

Exactly, I remember reading that ATT is selling out of 900's and then 920 is selling out in China, US and boom, there were like 200-400k units sold TOTAL in US. including low end lumias. All this sell out just means that nokia is horrible at inventory management and predictions.

Same now with 928. VZN has like 2-3 units per store so what does the sell out even mean? Nothing, no one can buy these phones, will sell another 10k in a month due to stupid management while HTC One sells 5 millions WITHOUT SELLING OUT.

Nokia is horrible when it comes to supplies, horrible, horrible, horrible.
 

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Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?

Here's some food for thought.
Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
The thing is, Lumia sales actually grew during this traditionally weak quarter. You suddenly have Lumia sales go up despite the fact that you have a massive drop in sales in America and the 620 being in limited quantity for part of the quarter.

Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.
 

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Here's some food for thought.
Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
The thing is, Lumia sales actually grew during this traditionally weak quarter. You suddenly have Lumia sales go up despite the fact that you have a massive drop in sales in America and the 620 being in limited quantity for part of the quarter.

Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.

Dude I recommend to just ignore this dude
 
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Here's some food for thought.
Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
The thing is, Lumia sales actually grew during this traditionally weak quarter. You suddenly have Lumia sales go up despite the fact that you have a massive drop in sales in America and the 620 being in limited quantity for part of the quarter.

Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.
You can cherry pick countries all you want but from the hard data at hand here we know that one HTC flagship outsold 10 Lumia phones combined. Yes HTC is still in deep **** but that's for a whole lot of other reasons which are irrelevant to the discussion.
And no body here is saying Nokia should drop Windows Phone for Android. They should do both, because they can. Rather than releasing a new Lumia phone every month that's barely any different from the one before, make an Android phone and see how that goes. Just try it. It won't bite. If it doesn't work by all means abandon Android. But if they can risk it with Windows Phone they sure can do it with a tried and tested platform.
 

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Hahahha you're so funny.... Aka not -_-

Well you're giving yourself a bad reputation of being so negative in every thread you look at. But I think a lot of people kind of know that you have a bad reputation already


Dude also the kids corner thing. If you're a parent (which I doubt you are) would understand that having kids corner does help keep your child from accessing important stuff on your phone. For example you go to work and you leave your phone at home. Your kid looks up something inappropriate like your porn. If you let your child see that. then it means that you're a horrible parent that doesn't watch your child from seeing this stuff. Dude I babysit so I know about this as well as other parents I use kids corner for kids when I do something else while the kids play with my phone
 
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Here's some food for thought.
Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.

And they did drop minus the Lumia, compared to last Q or even last q of last year

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Their phone sales are shrinking at a staggering rate and no, 2 million lumia sales won't save them,

LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS

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You can cherry pick countries all you want but from the hard data at hand here we know that one HTC flagship outsold 10 Lumia phones combined. Yes HTC is still in deep **** but that's for a whole lot of other reasons which are irrelevant to the discussion.
And no body here is saying Nokia should drop Windows Phone for Android. They should do both, because they can. Rather than releasing a new Lumia phone every month that's barely any different from the one before, make an Android phone and see how that goes. Just try it. It won't bite. If it doesn't work by all means abandon Android. But if they can risk it with Windows Phone they sure can do it with a tried and tested platform.
Okay, I now understand your perspective. Also, I cobbled my response from the info that I have on hand.
If I knew the whole story, though., I'm willing to admit that you're right, and I'm...less right.
 

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This has put all those 'Android is bad for HTC' BS rumours to rest.
Did you really just say that when executives are fleeing HTC as plastered all over the news? It's been said that Samsung owns 95% of operating profits for Android. Does that sound like a healthy ecosystem to be in? (You can argue that Windows Phone is similarly unhealthy, which I'd agree to. Differentiation is something we need, and it's something we're generally not getting with people flocking to popular brands. Nokia isn't going to deliver the perfect phone for everyone, I myself chose a HTC.)

Their phone sales are shrinking at a staggering rate and no, 2 million lumia sales won't save them
You realise Nokia used to be the #1 phone manufacturer in volume, right? Nokia doesn't need to regain 100 million units a quarter in order to be "saved". The future is not one where Nokia wholly dominates the ring because legitimate and better alternatives emerged to Symbian. Similarly, Microsoft's future is not a 95% share of whatever new computing paradigm takes off.

If Nokia worked to achieve a little over 10 million smartphone shipments in a Q1, which would still be considered terrible by the likes of yourself, it would be vying for the #3 spot.

we know that one HTC flagship outsold 10 Lumia phones combined
And the iPhone line outsold HTC's One A to Z to 0 to 9. Therefore, I think the strategy forwards should be to adopt iOS.
 

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And they did drop minus the Lumia, compared to last Q or even last q of last year

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/13/04/nokia-q1-2013/gsmarena_001.gif

Their phone sales are shrinking at a staggering rate and no, 2 million lumia sales won't save them,

LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS

http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/story/70/00/014151/screen-shot-2013-04-18-at-06-16-50-614x158.png

Before you ask, yes I have read the Q1 2013 interim report.
Now then, let me ask you this: what composed bulk of the losses? Symbian losses.
Is that a good thing? It depends on the situation. The good thing about those "2 million Lumias" you're talking about is that they're growing. And this number was from Q1 2012, as far as I know.
 

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