08-29-2014 11:11 AM
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  1. Im_Q's Avatar
    Could you post the xap, only for seeing this awesome design on my phone? :)

    It's written for WinRT so it'll be an appx rather than a xap. That also means WP8.1 is need to run it. I'll try to post it in the morning.

    Keep in mind that it's mostly UI and very little code to have it make the UI behave correctly. There's no Facebook communication going on so you'll be seeing the same news feed entry everytime. Also, news feed is the only page that's working.
    05-26-2014 09:54 PM
  2. wpgeek820's Avatar
    I'm a WP8 developer and I would like to join in to help as much as I can with other developers if they are willing to work as a team to develop this app. API access can be an issue but I guess it can be made possible just like how Instance or 6tag was done. Need advice and support please.
    05-27-2014 05:19 AM
  3. Im_Q's Avatar
    I've updated the original post to include a link to the design concept's project files. Devs out there can deploy it to a WP8.1 device to get a feel for it if they want to.


    I'm a WP8 developer and I would like to join in to help as much as I can with other developers if they are willing to work as a team to develop this app. API access can be an issue but I guess it can be made possible just like how Instance or 6tag was done. Need advice and support please.
    I'd be more than willing to team up with a few devs to bring our community the proper app experience it deserves. Facebook's public api to get and post content to Facebook seems sufficient to create a full-fledge app but my main concern is the push notification situation. As far as I know, there's no way to implement real-time push notifications from Facebook's service to third party apps. The original Facebook app from Microsoft during the WP7.x days had this problem and relied on Microsoft's servers to periodically check for notifications and thus causing a delay. This is the same situation with 6tag, 6snap, etc.

    Now with the current FB app, Microsoft and FB is jointly working on this app so the app have direct access in order to enable proper push notification. I feel that no matter how wonderful this app looks and performs, it'll always be playing catch up in terms of maintaining api use and lack of real-time notifications.
    05-27-2014 09:17 AM
  4. Alin Iulian's Avatar
    Sooooooo ******* awesome !
    05-27-2014 02:27 PM
  5. androidtoWM's Avatar
    Scrolling will collapse the AppBar:
    Attachment 67497

    I think scrolling down should also hide the 4 buttons. It takes too much real estate. Only bring it back when the user stops scrolling or scoll in the other direction (kinda like how chrome on iOS 7 does).
    05-27-2014 10:25 PM
  6. Im_Q's Avatar
    I think scrolling down should also hide the 4 buttons. It takes too much real estate. Only bring it back when the user stops scrolling or scoll in the other direction (kinda like how chrome on iOS 7 does).
    Thanks for the feedback. My original plan was to collapse everything except for the system tray at the top (with the network icons and the time) and the page content (the posts) since this is how the iOS fb app works and I presume the android app. Unfortunately, I couldn't get it to play nice with the scrolling in the short amount of time I took to create this concept.

    At the time, I justified leaving the four buttons persistent for two reasons: First, it provides quick access to the other three views that you're not on. Second, tapping on the news feed button while already on the news feed button scrolls to the top and it replaces the "new stories" pop up found in current apps. Those two scenarios have workarounds if we collapse the buttons (the views are actually in a pivot so swiping left/right will change views without the buttons; show pop up for new stories if buttons are collapsed) so I may try to implement that again and post an updated image/source files if I have some time to work on it some more.
    05-28-2014 08:44 AM
  7. Dk92's Avatar
    Wow, I really like it, nice job.
    05-28-2014 09:00 AM
  8. MrA2Z's Avatar
    Very nice UI
    05-29-2014 07:40 AM
  9. arjunan's Avatar
    Please Make this an App... You can ask for help from the developer community... I am damn sure someone will notice, because it is damn beautiful
    05-29-2014 11:52 PM
  10. Im_Q's Avatar
    I'll take a look into how much it would be to develop and maintain a Facebook app. What I want to know is that how many of you guys would actually download and use a Facebook app like this without instant push notification (but limited to within 15min of immediacy)?
    05-30-2014 09:49 AM
  11. Alin Iulian's Avatar
    I'll take a look into how much it would be to develop and maintain a Facebook app. What I want to know is that how many of you guys would actually download and use a Facebook app like this without instant push notification (but limited to within 15min of immediacy)?
    <3 develop this app and will you be awesome <3
    05-30-2014 12:24 PM
  12. Makm's Avatar
    I'll take a look into how much it would be to develop and maintain a Facebook app. What I want to know is that how many of you guys would actually download and use a Facebook app like this without instant push notification (but limited to within 15min of immediacy)?
    15 mins??? Hmmmmm :/ Cant it be any less? Is it some kind of an OS restriction or sth?
    05-30-2014 12:25 PM
  13. Bashar Awwad's Avatar
    15 mins??? Hmmmmm :/ Cant it be any less? Is it some kind of an OS restriction or sth?
    Yea its a restriction by the OS unfortunately.
    05-30-2014 12:41 PM
  14. Makm's Avatar
    Yea its a restriction by the OS unfortunately.
    Wow that sucks :/ Maybe thats why the MS fb app cannot show notifications in time?
    Anyways, if you can make it better than the ms fb app somehow then why not! :) we r with u
    05-30-2014 02:49 PM
  15. Im_Q's Avatar
    15 mins??? Hmmmmm :/ Cant it be any less? Is it some kind of an OS restriction or sth?
    Yes and no. The real restriction is that I can't tap into Facebook's system and fire off a push notification exactly when I need to. So, as a workaround, a third party app has to just periodically CHECK for notifications. And in 8.1, you can do manual checks in the background every 15 min. If I were developing an official app, facebook themselves would just fire a push notification whenever a post/comment/etc happen making it seem isntant.
    05-30-2014 02:50 PM
  16. Im_Q's Avatar
    Wow that sucks :/ Maybe thats why the MS fb app cannot show notifications in time?
    Anyways, if you can make it better than the ms fb app somehow then why not! :) we r with u
    Microsoft and Facebook are working together for the current WP8 app. Their notifications are by push so they're relatively instant. If you can't get notifications on time there's some other issue going on.
    05-30-2014 02:52 PM
  17. Alin Iulian's Avatar
    Microsoft and Facebook are working together for the current WP8 app. Their notifications are by push so they're relatively instant. If you can't get notifications on time there's some other issue going on.
    Eventually you're going to develop this application?
    05-30-2014 03:35 PM
  18. Idiosyncrasy's Avatar
    Would also be interested in helping with spreading the word or helping to code it - not worked with the Facebook API set yet, but I imagine it can't be too bad.

    I'm not an FB power user, so I wouldn't have ah issue with delayed notifications personally - especially since FB Messenger is a standalone app (not that I use it much either though)
    05-30-2014 11:29 PM
  19. arjunan's Avatar
    Update: Feel free to reach out to Facebook, Microsoft, Joe Belfiore, or whoever you feel needs to see this and show them this design concept. Hopefully with enough eyes on this thing, we can get some progress on our FB app.

    Also, here is the project files for my design concept app if devs out there want to deploy it on their phones and check it out. Keep in mind it's not a fully functioning app and it's just to show off the UI.
    http://1drv.ms/1jXmhL2
    It requires Visual Studio 2013 Update 2 and WP8.1 since it's a WinRT app.

    Update 2: A number of people are requesting that I actually develop a functioning app out of this concept. While I look into how much work a project like this requires, please let me know whether you personally would use a Facebook app without instant push notification. This is to say that it will have the same delayed notifications (of about 15 or so minutes) as 6Snap or 6Tag.


    Hi everyone. There are some really beautiful apps on Windows Phone and then there are some really disappointing looking ones. One of the apps that has really irked me is the Facebook app. I'm a dev that focuses largely on attractive UX and proper usage of WP's Modern design language. I'd like to share what I've come up as what I believe to be a good compromise between Facebook's design language (to keep apps consistent between platforms) and Windows Phone's Modern design language (to give it a unique personality on this platform.) Let me know what you guys think.

    Attachment 67496

    Scrolling will collapse the AppBar:
    Attachment 67497

    While looking at this, I'd like to provide a few bits of information:

    - The page title is the same formatting as (position, capitalization, etc) as system apps like messaging, mail, any pivots, etc to keep a consistent feel with the OS.

    - The bar with the four buttons are analogous to iOS' bottom bar in that it switches views but here, the look is drawn from the buttons in the Action Center. Again, this is to give it a WP feel.

    - Tapping on one of the four buttons switches to the appropriate view. I've also changed the badges from the red iOS-like ones to a more WP live tile-like ones as seen with the "notifications" button. I prefer it this way, but Facebook can stick with the red round badge for notification count just as easily. With the "news feed" one, a star is shown when there are new stories.

    - The main two colors are the standard FB blue, and the FB blue accent that's used in the Windows 8 app and iOS app to keep consistent with Facebook's designs. The grays are a mix of Facebook's and the OS' light theme grays.

    - Much less chrome. Modern UI showcases content, not chrome so I've removed excess rectangles and boxes around news feed posts and let the typography and images shine through.

    - WP apps usually have a consistent left and right margin. Notice how almost everything lines up the same distance away from the edge of the screen. This is subtle but gives it a clean and polished look.


    If you guys really like this, feel free to pass along this screenshot to Facebook or Microsoft. Hopefully, it'll at least spur them to try a little harder on designing their WP app.
    with wp 8.1 you can do real time notifications right?
    05-31-2014 12:28 AM
  20. Im_Q's Avatar
    with wp 8.1 you can do real time notifications right?
    No. Real time is only possible if I work with or for facebook and have access to their notification system. 8.1 reduces the background task interval from 30min to 15min. It's also possible to do work every minute but I don't know if I can call out to a web service doing that. Besides, that would drain the battery like crazy.
    05-31-2014 12:02 PM
  21. Alin Iulian's Avatar
    No. Real time is only possible if I work with or for facebook and have access to their notification system. 8.1 reduces the background task interval from 30min to 15min. It's also possible to do work every minute but I don't know if I can call out to a web service doing that. Besides, that would drain the battery like crazy.
    Develop this application ?
    05-31-2014 12:14 PM
  22. Im_Q's Avatar
    Develop this application ?
    Read the previous posts... I said I'm only looking into it for now.
    05-31-2014 05:37 PM
  23. colinkiama's Avatar
    It doesn't matter that this stop can't do push notifications. Just release it please
    05-31-2014 05:57 PM
  24. rajuks1991's Avatar
    The UI looks out of the world. To be very frank with you the only two options I want in facebook app is "showing quality posts" (unlike how facebook for windows phone does) and "uploading photos for comments option". If you can provide these two features I bet your app will cross more hits than that of original facebook app.
    *Good job* *waiting for the release*
    05-31-2014 06:03 PM
  25. Sameer Beri's Avatar
    would u please share this app with us ... :)
    05-31-2014 06:12 PM
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