08-01-2015 07:13 AM
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  1. pdplatypus's Avatar
    The Lumia 540 could have been a good budget phone but I still consider it too expensive due to its inability for LTE and 1080p video capture and decoding. If it only has a Snapdragon 210, I could consider getting it.
    There are tons of Android devices in the same price point that has these functions.
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    07-11-2015 09:01 AM
  2. trivishal's Avatar
    The point is Microsoft is neglecting it's Lumia users so it releases phones with old Snapdragon processors. They can afford to build quality phones with latest Snapdragon processors but due to their no high priority support to the Windows phone users, they are repeating what Nokia was lately doing in 2014. Just see how LG came with latest Snapdragon 808 processor in LG which even was unknown to be launched with that Processor till just some weeks before launch. Other Android OEMs also did launched smartphones with latest processors ( Snapdragon 410 and 615) in low end and Mid range segments that came in IFA, 2014 in Berlin and MWC, 2015 but Microsoft decided to use old processor in Lumia 730, Lumia 830 and even in Lumia 640 and 540. Do you see my point?
    07-11-2015 09:20 AM
  3. esackbauer's Avatar
    Competition and Nerd factor is higher with Android devices. MS (ex-Nokia devision) simply does not need that and can focus on other things.
    I would love to see a phone with a x86 processor instead of a snapdragon thing, so I think snapdragon and ARM will lead to a dead end.
    I want to be able to have all my working desk with me, with all applications. Jsut plug your phone to a decent screen and with BT mouse and keyboard start working productive.
    07-12-2015 08:04 AM
  4. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Competition and Nerd factor is higher with Android devices. MS (ex-Nokia devision) simply does not need that and can focus on other things.
    I would love to see a phone with a x86 processor instead of a snapdragon thing, so I think snapdragon and ARM will lead to a dead end.
    I want to be able to have all my working desk with me, with all applications. Jsut plug your phone to a decent screen and with BT mouse and keyboard start working productive.
    I believe that's why they have a two year plan. Next year they will release Intel chips. Intel still hasn't perfected the manufacturing process for their 10nm chips. These puppies will be small, drain way less battery and be super powerful.
    07-12-2015 08:17 AM
  5. TgeekB's Avatar
    Amen to that. The new flagships coming out better be things of beauty with some really amazing things on offer design wise. Look at the latest galaxy (edge in particular) and the lg g4; they're beautiful. If MS releases a plain ol' slabs similar to icon, etc they will be doomed to failure right out of the gate. They definitely need a "wow factor."
    Isn't the S6 edge failing in sales? It must not be impressing too many people.
    07-12-2015 08:20 AM
  6. FinancialP's Avatar
    Isn't the S6 edge failing in sales? It must not be impressing too many people.
    I think you forgot to put /s to indicate this was extreme sarcasm.
    07-12-2015 08:43 AM
  7. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think you forgot to put /s to indicate this was extreme sarcasm.
    Samsung Galaxy S6 Sales Fail To Break Records - InformationWeek
    neo158 likes this.
    07-12-2015 08:51 AM
  8. FinancialP's Avatar
    Lol, ok. Fails to break record means it's failing in sales?

    I bet Microsoft wishes for 1/10 of those sales.
    a5cent likes this.
    07-12-2015 08:57 AM
  9. TgeekB's Avatar
    Lol, ok. Fails to break record means it's failing in sales?

    I bet Microsoft wishes for 1/10 of those sales.
    Samsung is bleeding money. Their attempt to take on Apple is failing. My point is, top of the line specs does not mean automatic success. Its just an opinion, don't be so serious.
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    07-12-2015 09:02 AM
  10. trivishal's Avatar
    Samsung is bleeding money. Their attempt to take on Apple is failing. My point is, top of the line specs does not mean automatic success. Its just an opinion, don't be so serious.
    But, in this tech savvy world, everyone needs the latest hardware and greatest software; Every Smartphone OEM use the updated Processor, Apple updates it's every year same goes with Android smartphones in every price segment( low end, mid range and high end). Nobody loves to have old processors in their phones so that the Tech world tells in reviews that Lumia are with outdated specs and that changes the perception of viewers so they don't want to try these phones.
    07-12-2015 09:54 AM
  11. neo158's Avatar
    But, in this tech savvy world, everyone needs the latest hardware and greatest software; Every Smartphone OEM use the updated Processor, Apple updates it's every year same goes with Android smartphones in every price segment( low end, mid range and high end). Nobody loves to have old processors in their phones so that the Tech world tells in reviews that Lumia are with outdated specs and that changes the perception of viewers so they don't want to try these phones.
    Why does everyone NEED the latest hardware and the greatest software, I've never understood why so many people claim this without providing actual, solid proof as to why this is the case!!!!
    a5cent likes this.
    07-12-2015 10:58 AM
  12. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    You're fighting fire with fire. We're entering into an age where people don't care about specs, and they don't care about processors. The latest processors are not delivering the best experience. They are delivering a marginally better experience which is not worth the difference in price. I am not paying an extra $50, $100, or $150 for a better processor. If you are that is your business.
    neo158 likes this.
    07-12-2015 11:08 AM
  13. trivishal's Avatar
    I got it. People using Windows phones especially Lumia are not interested in latest and greatest but rather content with low cost devices and low quality apps, which has made Lumias famous for their inexpensiveness and as the quality of hardware has plunged a lot since Lumia series of *20
    07-12-2015 11:41 AM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    I got it. People using Windows phones especially Lumia are not interested in latest and greatest but rather content with low cost devices and low quality apps, which has made Lumias famous for their inexpensiveness and as the quality of hardware has plunged a lot since Lumia series of *20
    A very small percentage of people hang out on forums like these or go to tech blogs. The vast majority of people, from my perspective, know nothing about specs. Apple, the most popular producer of smart phones, not only does not have top-of-the-line specs but doesn't advertise about specs. They advertise about the experience and that is what draws people to them like flies. Taking photos when out with your friends. Connecting to people. That is what people care about.

    If I walked around my hospital where I work and asked coworkers what processor they have in their smart phone I would get nothing but blank stares.
    a5cent, neo158 and Viktar H like this.
    07-12-2015 01:01 PM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    But, in this tech savvy world, everyone needs the latest hardware and greatest software; Every Smartphone OEM use the updated Processor, Apple updates it's every year same goes with Android smartphones in every price segment( low end, mid range and high end). Nobody loves to have old processors in their phones so that the Tech world tells in reviews that Lumia are with outdated specs and that changes the perception of viewers so they don't want to try these phones.
    No.

    Apple does not sell phones with the fastest processors and best specs. They sell functionality over raw specs.

    The latest iPhone has about 2 year old specs. Still works for them when you don't look at the specs. And if you try pointing the low specs out, most iPhone users are 'i don't care'. Because users don't. Does it work and feel fast? They are happy.
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    07-12-2015 01:15 PM
  16. FinancialP's Avatar
    Samsung is bleeding money. Their attempt to take on Apple is failing. My point is, top of the line specs does not mean automatic success. Its just an opinion, don't be so serious.
    Their bleeding money now? Lol.

    First Samsung was failing because they didn't break their own record.

    Now, their bleeding money when they make the most profits out of all OEMs who make Android phones.
    07-12-2015 01:31 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Their bleeding money now? Lol.

    First Samsung was failing because they didn't break their own record.

    Now, their bleeding money when they make the most profits out of all OEMs who make Android phones.
    OK, let me rephrase that. They are about to have their 7th quarter in a row of declining profits. Not exactly the direction you want them to be going if you were a shareholder, but maybe you're different.
    07-12-2015 01:57 PM
  18. Krystianpants's Avatar
    No.

    Apple does not sell phones with the fastest processors and best specs. They sell functionality over raw specs.

    The latest iPhone has about 2 year old specs. Still works for them when you don't look at the specs. And if you try pointing the low specs out, most iPhone users are 'i don't care'. Because users don't. Does it work and feel fast? They are happy.
    What?n? They have some of the fastest processors out there. Look at the bench marks. They are always showcasing their latest and greatest processor. Where have you been?
    trivishal likes this.
    07-12-2015 03:40 PM
  19. Yazen's Avatar
    Why does everyone NEED the latest hardware and the greatest software, I've never understood why so many people claim this without providing actual, solid proof as to why this is the case!!!!
    The common consensus is that most people do not spend hours of research when deciding which phone they will purchase. They choose what's best on paper. Would you expect anyone to pay the same amount of money for a seemingly inferior phone? Additionally, most if not all people desire the greatest, regardless of cost.

    "Need" is defined as an absolute necessity for survival for human beings:

    • In a world where nobody needed the latest hardware and the greatest software, would there be advances in hardware and software? Start with current phones and think of the next older phone. The only phone we would need would be the very first! Since the phones in discussion are smartphones, we would be stuck with the very first smartphone.
    • In a world where everybody needed the latest hardware and greatest software, would there be any motivation to manufacture low end phones running older software? Additionally, we would have smartphones running bleeding edge, unstable software with problematic hardware.
    • Conclusion: Nobody and Everybody doesn't need the latest hardware and greatest software.

    EDIT: But the implications remain. There must be people who need the latest and greatest, and others who do not.
    TgeekB likes this.
    07-12-2015 03:49 PM
  20. heickelrrx's Avatar
    Let just compare some devices.
    Heard Galaxy V? Yeah it have same tag with Lumia 535. What will you choose?
    07-13-2015 02:00 AM
  21. Sunny JK's Avatar
    .

    Using outdated hardware that works very well with Windows Phone software makes sense. That's why low-end Windows Phone devices are so cheap. Microsoft is targeting countries of the Third World, such as India and Pakistan with cheap dual-sim phones.
    On a side note, India is not a Third World country and nor is Pakistan, i think. :)
    07-13-2015 02:04 AM
  22. Blacklac's Avatar
    Nvm

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    07-13-2015 02:31 PM
  23. Blacklac's Avatar
    What?n? They have some of the fastest processors out there. Look at the bench marks. They are always showcasing their latest and greatest processor. Where have you been?

    You can't compare different processors using different operating systems. That adds a massive extra variable.

    The OS is mostly the reason for their benchmark results. Put the same SoC on an Android device and you'll see how they differ

    Put a Snapdragon 805-820 on iOS and prepare to be amazed... Now Apple does use really good GPU's. I should point that out.

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    07-13-2015 02:32 PM
  24. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ Apple's CPUs are actually really good too!

    They just aren't soooo one-sided like the ones built into other "high-end" devices. Apple doesn't build their SoC to pander to enthusiasts via the spec sheet, but to provide what they deem to be the best balance between power usage and performance.

    If consumers were actually tech savvy and could get past the simplistic best=biggest-core&clockrate-numbers, there would be an interesting discussion to be had over how (within a specific size and weight class) battery life factors into defining what is and what isn't high-end. That is rarely part of how people define "high-end", but I think Apple is right to balance both.

    The only place Apple goes for "power, over efficiency" is the GPU, which IMHO provides the perfect combination of powerful vs power efficient SoC components. Apple is the only company with the luxury to design in this way, as everyone else is required to sell and market the specs consumers want, even if they end up leading to an overall poorer experience than what the iPhone offers.

    What most enthusiasts completely miss, is that despite the way they look down on the iPhone's dual core 1.3GHz CPU, there is no game the iPhone can't run just as well or better than their specced-out Android devices.

    That does make the whole specs-mania, as demonstrated by this thread, a bit comical, despite them admittedly being relevant from a marketing perspective.

    On a side note: three years ago I predicted Apple would not be moving to quad-core CPUs anytime soon, partly due to the reasons mentioned above, which I think pretty much nobody believed at the time...
    Last edited by a5cent; 07-13-2015 at 03:43 PM. Reason: formatting
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    07-13-2015 03:16 PM
  25. Blacklac's Avatar
    I'm not saying they are bad. They are great for what they need to run, I agree with you. I don't fall for the moar corez/moar clock speedz! Stuff. But we know iOS is way more efficient than Android and considering Snapdragon SoC can still compete with what Apple uses should say alot.

    I will give props to how efficient Apple has maintained iOS anyday.

    I would love to see an Android device running Apple's SoC or an iPhone running an SD808, but we will never see that direct comparison.

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    07-13-2015 03:24 PM
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