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  1. yanpaulo's Avatar
    Well, I'm a huge fan and heavy Windows Phone user since 7.5.
    I love my Lumia 630 and my next phone will surely be a WP.
    Although I find WP to be a great OS and in no ways poor in apps (except for games), I think there is some point in what haters say, and I become a little fearful about the future of Windows Phone.

    I don't think it will die easilly, but what if it doesn't grow up as much as we want? I really want to see more people using Windows Phones so that it gets more support from devs and from Microsoft itself.

    Could Windows Phone haters be right in some ways? Is it just blink hate? What do you really think about it?
    08-13-2015 02:26 PM
  2. OutlawFirebird's Avatar
    In a way yes, windows can't grow, if developers wont support it, and that's what is happening, people wont switch over if they can't get there apps on it, and developers wont make app cause not enough people are using windows. So we have a stale mate going on.
    Something needs to give, I think developers need to try windows, and get there apps on it.
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    08-17-2015 12:37 AM
  3. TheJackah's Avatar
    Developers are beginning to support Windows 10 and it sure can grow. Everyone in my household is moving from Android to Windows Phone this year.

    Posted via the Windows Central App
    08-17-2015 04:40 AM
  4. slivy58's Avatar
    In a way yes, windows can't grow, if developers wont support it, and that's what is happening, people wont switch over if they can't get there apps on it, and developers wont make app cause not enough people are using windows. So we have a stale mate going on.
    Something needs to give, I think developers need to try windows, and get there apps on it.
    Agree with you on the stale mate and it is just not the apps, when I got my first WP close to 3 years ago things were ramping up and looked promising for the first years then it all began to slide backwards, we had PFD and then that went to the wayside and now there is The Insider Program, WP 8.1 came about and now we are poised in switching to WP10. There is no doubt things are happening buuuut it all seems so unfinished and inconsistent, likeing my L830 yet everyday I run into constant problems in that apps are limited, don't do what they should, the phone feels in some respects a tad archaic and lacking in fluidity, my Ativ S and L1020 are the same so it is not just one device we're comparing here.

    Another thing that is very annoying, the selectiveness that abounds in regards to what phone gets what, when an update does come over the horizon it is a crapshoot as to which device receives, my L830 and Denim is a good example, I was lucky enough to get whereas some still don't yet and may never, it took months to roll out to those that did, being my L830 was one of the latest WPs at the time Denim was announced makes this pretty pathetic... Yes we can blame the carriers for some of it, not sure that was the case here though, the bottom line is, I don't give a rats behind who's at fault just give me the damn update, MS needs to sort this out one way or the other otherwise it ain't gonna be pretty LOL.
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    08-17-2015 11:31 AM
  5. OutlawFirebird's Avatar
    What also gets to me, is some developers say they have a really good relationship with Ms, so they support Xbox, but when they make a mobile app, its mystery not on wp. And they avoid talking about it. That gets to me, Bethesda is doing this with there apps. drives me crazy that ill have to get a cheap android just to run a few apps I want to use. Especially now with win10, and people porting apps right over, there really is not much of an excuse not to port them over themselves and make them officially available. And windows is the most versatile of the 3 systems, and seems to be more stable. My htc and my icon wp8. Were much more stable than the androids I use to have.
    08-18-2015 01:26 AM
  6. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I think haters are going to hate, regardless of what apps are published.

    The problem with WP isn't the lack of developers, but of Microsoft itself.

    Far too many times have people buying a WP have been left behind, and also for the issues that the os has. They fix one thing, then break another in doing so.

    Take the music and video player. Why not just update it to include all the features folks wanted, refresh the ui,and then run the new Windows Media Center through their universal app maker and call it a day? Why reinvent the wheel here. I know they utilized code from Zune for Xbox music, they could have done the same thing here.

    Core apps are supposed to work with all features out of the box, and since most are being patched weekly you know that they aren't.

    So....the hate isn't a app gap fap,it goes much deeper, and there really wouldn't be a need for it if Microsoft had their stuff together.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    08-18-2015 07:48 AM
  7. JamesDax's Avatar
    No they couldn't.
    08-18-2015 07:52 AM
  8. Bosgarage57's Avatar
    I think if windows could download android apps like blackberry 10 can do would help a ton

    Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk
    08-18-2015 07:57 AM
  9. yanpaulo's Avatar
    I think haters are going to hate, regardless of what apps are published.

    The problem with WP isn't the lack of developers, but of Microsoft itself.

    Far too many times have people buying a WP have been left behind, and also for the issues that the os has. They fix one thing, then break another in doing so.

    Take the music and video player. Why not just update it to include all the features folks wanted, refresh the ui,and then run the new Windows Media Center through their universal app maker and call it a day? Why reinvent the wheel here. I know they utilized code from Zune for Xbox music, they could have done the same thing here.

    Core apps are supposed to work with all features out of the box, and since most are being patched weekly you know that they aren't.

    So....the hate isn't a app gap fap,it goes much deeper, and there really wouldn't be a need for it if Microsoft had their stuff together.

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    I agree with some things, but I really don't think they break stuff that much. Almost always there is a reason for things they do.

    Media Center was taken down, mostly because a few people used it.

    I really loved the old Music + Video hub (and all of the another hubs, too), but I get the reason for splitting them up. The only problem is that these apps don't feel as good as they could be (but hey, they're improving with time). Also, it's mostly long-term users that complain about these apps, and not people which don't use WP, because they don't use WP!

    I really don't think Windows Phone's UI should be changed. It's really good as it is, and it is the OS's main identity.

    Also, these aren't things we see most people complaining about.
    Well, there is people who DO complain about, but the #1 statement we see everywhere is that WP is na amazing OS, but they don't use it because of the so-called app gap. My hope is that Windows 10 at least recudes this gap so that we see what happens?
    08-18-2015 12:09 PM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    Don't have to be a hater to see the facts, currently WP lacks apps and offers no real differentiators to attract users and hence, developers. Whether this changes in the future is unknown but personally I don't see where any meaningful growth is going to come from.
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    08-18-2015 12:15 PM
  11. Marc Baldry's Avatar
    I really don't understand why people get so cranky over the 'app gap'. Granted I'm not a teenager so I don't use things like snap chat, I'm not on twitter etc, so all the apps I need/use are present (Santander banking app would be nice though). I really believe that the core apps we have on WP (Facebook excepted) are fantastic and work well. From my experiece dealing with Apple-heads and Android fans is they complain about the app gap more as a way to justify their choice in thier own platform as opposed to shooting down WP, and of those apps that are missing, they're probably only fad apps that will fall off the radar very soon once the next fad comes along.
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    08-18-2015 12:20 PM
  12. yanpaulo's Avatar
    Don't have to be a hater to see the facts, currently WP lacks apps and offers no real differentiators to attract users and hence, developers. Whether this changes in the future is unknown but personally I don't see where any meaningful growth is going to come from.
    It really lacks apps, but it has great differentiators.
    The whole OS idea itself is a differentiator: A beautiful and different OS, easy to use, fast, lighteight (runs smoothly even on the cheaper devices), stable and also free of viruses. I guess that't something.
    If it was just technically speaking and the OS had all apps people want, there would be almost no reason for choosing Android over WP, imo.
    08-18-2015 12:27 PM
  13. paulxxwall's Avatar
    No they couldn't.
    Yes they could! ....my mama told me to never say never;)
    08-20-2015 07:02 AM
  14. JamesDax's Avatar
    Yes they could! ....my mama told me to never say never;)
    Nope
    08-20-2015 01:42 PM
  15. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Nope
    Lol...nope what? WP hatters do have some points. They say WP is only at maybe 3% in us...there wrong about that one? How about the app gap ? Maybe there wrong about that one too? Lack of phone selection? Can't knock the hatters on that one either. Sure its.........kinda..........getting better .....?
    Last edited by paulxxwall; 08-21-2015 at 05:44 AM.
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    08-21-2015 05:32 AM
  16. Mark Baker3's Avatar
    Are there actually any haters at all? I font hate apple or google, I just prefer wp. I suspect the only actual haters are teenage keyboard warrior trolls trying to get other teenage keyboard warriors to bite.
    libra89 likes this.
    08-21-2015 06:09 AM
  17. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I think if windows could download android apps like blackberry 10 can do would help a ton

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    Unfortunately that is starting to happen and its unfortunate.

    HAters have some merit that becomes bs when they begin to exaggerate.
    08-21-2015 06:14 AM
  18. Slovenix's Avatar
    First of all it's not just app gap, but the look of Windows phones at all. I don't know why is it so hard for Windows Phone fans to understand that there are a lot of people that simply doesn't like those Square Live tiles and think they looks ugly and lame as f***. Just connect that to WHY THE F*** Microsoft partly removed (and gave an option to disable them) them in Windows 10.

    Ignore "offensive language" it's there to give the real expression.

    And yes I obviously like them, but I can understand.


    Next thing what really sucks is OS limitations. If you also use Android you get really spoiled with all the app's features like that floating circle from Facebook's Messenger app or even on Skype with it's windowed Skype video call floating around where you want it on the screen when you want to do something else on the phone. You can also run multiple apps just like on Windows desktop on high end phones.

    Therefore Android for example feels more Windows like than Windows phone it self. And so far Windows Mobile didn't fix any of those problems nor gave any worthy features to name it "Windows" in the first place.

    This is where I get to the point of where to go in the next phone.

    I like my Windows phone very much and I even became full Microsoft fan. It's all I talk about all day sometimes.

    Yet phones are just phones, we need to choose what we need. I guess a perfect phone for me would be a Windows running on a smaller screen with calling & texting option and all the apps.

    And yes surprisingly I have every app I need, it's the features that are missing.
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    08-21-2015 07:06 AM
  19. Slovenix's Avatar
    Are there actually any haters at all? I font hate apple or google, I just prefer wp. I suspect the only actual haters are teenage keyboard warrior trolls trying to get other teenage keyboard warriors to bite.
    That's the internet for ;) :) and that's my reason too. I just prefer wp, even if I would like to see more Windows like features on phones too.
    08-21-2015 07:21 AM
  20. yanpaulo's Avatar
    Next thing what really sucks is OS limitations. If you also use Android you get really spoiled with all the app's features like that floating circle from Facebook's Messenger app or even on Skype with it's windowed Skype video call floating around where you want it on the screen when you want to do something else on the phone. You can also run multiple apps just like on Windows desktop on high end phones.

    Therefore Android for example feels more Windows like than Windows phone it self. And so far Windows Mobile didn't fix any of those problems nor gave any worthy features to name it "Windows" in the first place.
    Well, I totally get your point, but MS had its reasons from the beggining of this whole story.
    Windows CE/Windows Mobile was just that: regular Windows running on a smaller screen, and it was crap.
    And so MS came with WP: a lightweight, stable and virus-free system, and also prety different (and good looking).

    Android is like Windows in the mobile world: a complete mess, but full of great apps.
    I (and most of WP fans, btw) don't want WP to change and become a complete mess just like Android.
    I Always like to say that WP is better than Android because it is like it is.

    But yes, I totally understand. Maybe it's that most of people think.
    Unfortunate, but true.
    Last edited by yanpaulo; 08-21-2015 at 07:41 AM.
    08-21-2015 07:31 AM
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    08-21-2015 07:50 AM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Well, I totally get your point, but MS had its reasons from the beggining of this whole story.
    Windows CE/Windows Mobile was just that: regular Windows running on a smaller screen, and it was crap.
    And so MS came with WP: a lightweight, stable and virus-free system, and also prety different (and good looking).

    Android is like Windows in the mobile world: a complete mess, but full of great apps.
    I (and most of WP fans, btw) don't want WP to change and become a complete mess just like Android.
    I Always like to say that WP is better than Android because it is like it is.

    But yes, I totally understand. Maybe it's that most of people think.
    Unfortunate, but true.
    I definitely would hate to see windows become like android. its crap.
    08-21-2015 08:02 AM
  23. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    First of all it's not just app gap, but the look of Windows phones at all. I don't know why is it so hard for Windows Phone fans to understand that there are a lot of people that simply doesn't like those Square Live tiles and think they looks ugly and lame as f***. Just connect that to WHY THE F*** Microsoft partly removed (and gave an option to disable them) them in Windows 10.

    Ignore "offensive language" it's there to give the real expression.

    And yes I obviously like them, but I can understand.


    Next thing what really sucks is OS limitations. If you also use Android you get really spoiled with all the app's features like that floating circle from Facebook's Messenger app or even on Skype with it's windowed Skype video call floating around where you want it on the screen when you want to do something else on the phone. You can also run multiple apps just like on Windows desktop on high end phones.

    Therefore Android for example feels more Windows like than Windows phone it self. And so far Windows Mobile didn't fix any of those problems nor gave any worthy features to name it "Windows" in the first place.

    This is where I get to the point of where to go in the next phone.

    I like my Windows phone very much and I even became full Microsoft fan. It's all I talk about all day sometimes.

    Yet phones are just phones, we need to choose what we need. I guess a perfect phone for me would be a Windows running on a smaller screen with calling & texting option and all the apps.

    And yes surprisingly I have every app I need, it's the features that are missing.
    There is truly no feature on IOS or Android I am truly missing. And I feel that is the same for most fans of the windows Phone OS.

    Comparing the desktop experience with live tiles to WIndows Phone is not a comparable experience.

    For starters, Windows is the dominant player on Desktop and thus people have been ingrained and used to Windows acting a certain way. As foolish as those people are and trust me they are downright foolish/ridiculous to me since they need a start menu(when the start screen was excellent), Microsoft also didn't help things with how half-baked Windows 8 was(Windows 8.1 should have been 8).
    I can understand, even if I dislike and disagree, why they handicapped Windows 10 with the live tiles and start screen.

    On the phone, it is much different. Most people really could care less what the phone's OS looks like and UI....they want a phone that enable them to do what they need and want to do and with the apps they need. Selling many phones, the complaints is rarely that they hate the live tiles(if anything the live tiles are what they like in spite of a lack of apps)

    Also, keep in mind that you are speaking as an enthusiast....For the average person, people such as my mother, they find floating chat heads for FB messaging incredibly annoying and pointless. These are also the same people who really couldn't care about having multiple apps at once.

    It is why IOS is so popular...because it is a simple OS that works and allows people to do what they want with the apps. If Microsoft had the developer support, it wouldn't matter about the UI because in the end MOST people want something that works and for what it is and can do, Windows phone works just fine for most people as an OS.

    When you add in the app gap, that's when it becomes an issue.

    The day windows 10/mobile because anything android like is the day I either stick with my WIndows phone as it is then or move to IOS.
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    08-21-2015 08:16 AM
  24. theefman's Avatar
    Too much fanboyism and not enough objectivity. Statements like "android is crap" without any context are meaningless. WP is far from the perfection its portrayed to be especially on low end devices, here lag is disguised as "resuming" or "loading". It's also funny that when smoothness is being touted ios is pointedly left out of the conversation and it's all a comparison to android, obviously an easier target. And those useful features of android like floating apps are genuinely useful.

    Worst of all, any differentiators WP currently has will be going away with 10 mobile and the only thing left will be live tiles. When everything is factored together the argument for WP becomes a lot harder, at least to those willing to look at it objectively.
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    08-21-2015 08:31 AM
  25. Slovenix's Avatar
    There is truly no feature on IOS or Android I am truly missing. And I feel that is the same for most fans of the windows Phone OS.

    Comparing the desktop experience with live tiles to WIndows Phone is not a comparable experience.

    For starters, Windows is the dominant player on Desktop and thus people have been ingrained and used to Windows acting a certain way. As foolish as those people are and trust me they are downright foolish/ridiculous to me since they need a start menu(when the start screen was excellent), Microsoft also didn't help things with how half-baked Windows 8 was(Windows 8.1 should have been 8).
    I can understand, even if I dislike and disagree, why they handicapped Windows 10 with the live tiles and start screen.

    On the phone, it is much different. Most people really could care less what the phone's OS looks like and UI....they want a phone that enable them to do what they need and want to do and with the apps they need. Selling many phones, the complaints is rarely that they hate the live tiles(if anything the live tiles are what they like in spite of a lack of apps)

    Also, keep in mind that you are speaking as an enthusiast....For the average person, people such as my mother, they find floating chat heads for FB messaging incredibly annoying and pointless. These are also the same people who really couldn't care about having multiple apps at once.

    It is why IOS is so popular...because it is a simple OS that works and allows people to do what they want with the apps. If Microsoft had the developer support, it wouldn't matter about the UI because in the end MOST people want something that works and for what it is and can do, Windows phone works just fine for most people as an OS.

    When you add in the app gap, that's when it becomes an issue.

    The day windows 10/mobile because anything android like is the day I either stick with my WIndows phone as it is then or move to IOS.
    Dude I know you adore WP and you'll always defend it.

    You don't have to know phones nor operating systems to know what looks better for you. And Livetiles Squary UI is simply not popular amongst people.

    It was frustrating when I was all excited talking about the new Windows, and Windows phone and how the Live tiles are awesome and people were like "I like this and that, but I don't like the Tiles" or "I like Nokia, but I don't like the Tiles" or "You have an awesome cool looking phone, but it has Windows" and so on.
    Same went with Windows on PC, where some people just wouldn't upgrade because of it's looks even now with free W10. It pisses me off lol.

    It's simple to choose. iOS, it's an iPhone, Android, it looks cool!, WP, what are those Squares?! I have to say I blame the commercials with boring Start Screens for that too.

    Of course there are people who like it, that's the reason I came to WP.

    And Windows Phone not being comparable to Windows is Microsofts fault and no one else. People asked for many more features with thousands of votes and we got none to call "gamechanging" and that sucks.. Continuum.. Yay.. Whatever, Cortana.. I don't even know anybody that uses Google Now or Siri in real life. Cloud first.. Yeah like we have infinite internet anywhere. And yaaay.. The new Design language..
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    08-21-2015 10:48 AM
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