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  1. Leonel Funes's Avatar
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    Nobody will pay luxury money for a Toyota Camry not matter what you put inside. It is still and midrange car. And we are supposed to pay $700 for these.. Are you joking? Premium whatever has to look good, feels good and works good. Would you pay $40,000 for Nissan Maxima? I don't think so. I am sure you would for a Lexus or Mercedes Benz, right? So, no I am not happy with the designs. And please, this has nothing to do with the OS. I love the OS. I may get a new 1520 if I have to.
    If you change the guts of a Camry to outdo other cars, people will certainly pay a pretty penny for it. Same with a Maxima. Change what's under the hood and see if people still only car for what it looks like. Sure, there are luxury cars (just like iPhones and some Androids for the smartphone area), but the performance at most times are not that great (just like iPhones and some Androids). There are also not-as-luxurious-but-still-good-looking cars that perform even better than the pricier competition (like Microsoft's #RealFlagships). People are likely going to slap a case on it, so the design is hidden, wonderful or not.

    PS - On day 1, I'm getting me the 950 in black, very conservative yet elegant.
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    08-28-2015 12:12 PM
  2. neo158's Avatar
    Besides, the horrid looks for these things, to me, is based just as much on how ugly Windows 10 Mobile is. The thing's still in beta, I get it, but the basic UI of apps is a nightmare.
    That's a very "matter of fact" statement and I'm not so sure that EVERYONE agrees with you!!!
    08-28-2015 12:14 PM
  3. neo158's Avatar
    If you change the guts of a Camry to outdo other cars, people will certainly pay a pretty penny for it. Same with a Maxima. Change what's under the hood and see if people still only car for what it looks like. Sure, there are luxury cars (just like iPhones and some Androids for the smartphone area), but the performance at most times are not that great (just like iPhones and some Androids). There are also not-as-luxurious-but-still-good-looking cars that perform even better than the pricier competition (like Microsoft's #RealFlagships). People are likely going to slap a case on it, so the design is hidden, wonderful or not.

    PS - On day 1, I'm getting me the 950 in black, very conservative yet elegant.
    Exactly, I'll be going with the 950 XL. Looks aren't everything, although judging by the crying, whinging and whining that some people are doing in this thread you wouldn't have thought so.

    We seem to have a bunch of people in here who won't be happy unless they have form over function i.e. they won't be happy until they get an iPhone running Windows 10 Mobile. We also have those who seem to value specs and gimmicks over everything else i.e. they won't be happy until they have a Galaxy S6 Edge+ running W10M. Then we come to the last group, people like me, who just want a phone that works so they want one of the phones shown in the OPs post.

    Microsoft are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Well, as the saying goes, you can please some of the people some of the time, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
    Last edited by neo158; 08-28-2015 at 12:33 PM.
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    08-28-2015 12:17 PM
  4. Alfa Kapa's Avatar
    - Top notch hardware by any mesurment.

    There is not even a single point spec-wise that it didn't deliver..
    While the major players sacrifice futures in the name of design (which is really subjective), MS for the first time delivers in every single aspect..
    Making nerds allover Windows and Android comunities cream their pants!


    - REFRESHING design for a flagship.

    Take a moment and think of the flagship phones of 2015, then you'll see that every single one (or the majority) is metal, expensive looking and FRAGILE.

    Because it didn't fit into many people blinded (mainly by the bling bling on other devices) and distorted minds doesn't mean that such a design isn't damn nice for the people that want a TOOL and not a JEWELRY for phone, including myself .
    I throw around my 730 (tables, long throws on beds, chairs, etc), because I know that it won't damage in any way. On the other hand my friends (with iPhones) are extremely cautious with they devices, the put covers, sleeves, screen protectors front-back and if the phone slips from the hand from a hight of 5cm on a table, they think this is the end of the world! (especially the once with 4s/5s)

    The design highlights the camera and nothing else.
    Instead of sitting there and admiring the subtle curves and uniqly crafted shell with revolutionaly 3.5D glass which wraps around the body,
    MS left all that for the competition *cough* iphone.
    And took the Function over form way, that every single manufacturer (instead of Apple) once took.


    But why every single manufacturer went the ''luxury'' way??

    -Because Apple showed them that form is the top priority in order to buy a thing in the first place!
    And hardcore ''function over form'' manufacturers such as Samsung, distorted their series like the Note and S, in order to be more iPhone-y..

    With this move MS put the moto ''for people that do'' into their flagship devices and I think this is the best move!

    So in the end, I'm really pleased that MS didn't fall in the ''luxury'' trap and will deliver a top notch device that will carry the ''Lumia'' badge and every singe perk of the brand with pride!
    08-28-2015 12:36 PM
  5. Panathas's Avatar
    But you're the 1% dude. Most people want bling bling.
    08-28-2015 01:02 PM
  6. neo158's Avatar
    But you're the 1% dude. Most people want bling bling.
    That's why the iPhone exists, to cater to the "bling bling" crowd!!!!
    08-28-2015 01:05 PM
  7. sunrat39's Avatar
    Stopped reading after the first couple of sentences from the op. Microsoft's new flagships look definitely better then your English. That's for sure. Like one of the posters said, stop crying, slap an otter box on that bad boy, and move on.
    *than

    Come on now.

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    08-28-2015 01:11 PM
  8. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    I throw around my 730 (tables, long throws on beds, chairs, etc), because I know that it won't damage in any way.
    I don't toss my Icon around like that. I might break something with the phone.
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    08-28-2015 01:56 PM
  9. to_be_announced's Avatar
    We seem to have a bunch of people in here who won't be happy unless they have form over function i.e. they won't be happy until they get an iPhone running Windows 10 Mobile. We also have those who seem to value specs and gimmicks over everything else i.e. they won't be happy until they have a Galaxy S6 Edge+ running W10M. Then we come to the last group, people like me, who just want a phone that works so they want one of the phones shown in the OPs post.
    regarding your "groups", if you only want a phone that works, why are you shelling out for a flagship in the first place? You can get a Windows phone that "works" perfectly fine without having to pay a premium for it. People buy a flagship phone, not just because it "works", but because they get high end specs with high end design. These phones seem to be lacking the latter.

    As for those mentioning slapping a case on the phone right away as a reason the design doesn't matter, many people don't use them. I for one don't for the fact that I like to see the actual design of my phone and I'm careful enough to treat my phones well that a case isn't needed. So yes, I want a well designed appealing phone.
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    08-28-2015 02:23 PM
  10. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    That's a very "matter of fact" statement and I'm not so sure that EVERYONE agrees with you!!!
    I don't care if NO ONE agrees with me. That tasks take more steps and the layout is less convenient for me than it was in WP8, and even WP8.1, is all I'm concerned about. If you think Groove Music is an upgrade from Xbox Music, then you're bonkers. Plus, the e-mail and calendar experiences are a mess as well. Why they dumped all of my e-mail into one place and made it one tile (meaning it takes more tasks to reach various inboxes) is beyond logic. They've also thrown a crapload of system apps into W10M, and now the app list is cluttered with junk I have no interest in, like a "Customer Support" app and a the FM Radio and Podcasts apps.

    WP8 was something like 1.71 GB on my phone, last I looked. W10M takes up 3.77 GB. It's bloated and clunky for many basic functions, and I don't know how anyone can reasonably argue otherwise, unless you LOVE having to hit a pop-out menu button to accomplish anything.
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    08-28-2015 02:25 PM
  11. to_be_announced's Avatar
    They've also thrown a crapload of system apps into W10M, and now the app list is cluttered with junk I have no interest in, like a "Customer Support" app and a the FM Radio and Podcasts apps.
    Do you own a current Windows Phone? I ask because my phone running WP 8.1 also came with all 3 of those apps you mention above. So nothing new in WM10. Android and Apple bundle more than that in their phones. It's been a while since i've owned an android phone, but when i did, some of those apps couldn't be uninstalled either. On my WP, i removed all apps i didn't want without issue.
    08-28-2015 02:32 PM
  12. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    - Top notch hardware by any mesurment.

    - REFRESHING design for a flagship.

    -Because Apple showed them that form is the top priority in order to buy a thing in the first place!
    And hardcore ''function over form'' manufacturers such as Samsung, distorted their series like the Note and S, in order to be more iPhone-y..

    With this move MS put the moto ''for people that do'' into their flagship devices and I think this is the best move!

    So in the end, I'm really pleased that MS didn't fall in the ''luxury'' trap and will deliver a top notch device that will carry the ''Lumia'' badge and every singe perk of the brand with pride!
    1. Maybe if you only acknowledge measurements by naming only. The 950 carries the SD 808 chip, which is inferior to the 810. The 810 tested poorly against the Samsung Exynos chips inside it S6 and S6 Edge. The 820 is also going into phones NOW, but Microsoft has opted for the older chip that's basically being replaced by every other flagship OEM within 4 months of the 950/950 XL release. The camera's not proven to be top-notch, as we know nothing of its OIS quality, nor do we know how it'll compare to the optics of the 930 and 1520 (same resolution). The 950 also isn't going to have integrated wireless charging, and you apparently have to buy some stupid flip cover (things I don't like) to add it in. We barely know anything about the true guts of these things, except that one carries a mid-range SoC and the other carries a high-end one that's about to be replaced. Other than that, it's somewhat vague stuff, from a performance standpoint (MP aren't the only thing to show camera quality, we don't know the battery life, regardless of battery size, etc.).

    2. "Expensive looking?" You mean, "expensive, and carrying high-end parts and materials." I don't want a metal body phone, they always lean towards lighter colors, and I don't care for those much on my phones (I abhor gloss plastic and hate white, yellow, cyan, and pink Lumia bodies). However, there is NOTHING refreshing about these things. As everyone says, the 950 is basically a 640/640 XL retread, and those look every bit the budget device. The 950 XL's inexplicable camera ring is hideous on the black device (probably isn't AS gross on a white one, but still an eyesore). I didn't like the 830/930 design because of the aluminum bands (found them ugly--as I said, don't like light-colored metals), but I'd take them ANY DAY over these things.

    3. Yeah, that Microsoft motto is a joke. If they were really about DOING stuff, they wouldn't have thrown pop-out menus into everything, making switching panes in an app slower and more cumbersome. They wouldn't have tucked all of my e-mail accounts into one app, leaving me to fumble around that pile of garbage known as "Outlook Mail" on W10M. They wouldn't have taken away multiple functions from Xbox Music (lockscreen and live tile settings). They wouldn't have thrown us an Xbox app that doesn't have toast notifications for messages. They wouldn't have cluttered the app list with a dozen or more system apps you can't uninstall, even if you don't want them. They wouldn't have bloated the OS to more than double the size of WP8.1. They wouldn't have basically done everything they could to just copy the iOS and Android designs of pop-out windows and layers upon layers of menus to be popular.

    Microsoft's about profits, not doing. That's why they're copying competing UIs. That's why they're porting apps (eventually), rather than building great apps for Windows users and hiding them from the competing platforms, in the hopes of adding a few more users.
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    08-28-2015 02:41 PM
  13. Joshwin's Avatar
    Nothing like the Nokia Lumia 925, 830 or 930.
    not to mention lumia 520. even 520 looks premium with square corners compared to these.
    08-28-2015 02:59 PM
  14. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Do you own a current Windows Phone? I ask because my phone running WP 8.1 also came with all 3 of those apps you mention above. So nothing new in WM10. Android and Apple bundle more than that in their phones. It's been a while since i've owned an android phone, but when i did, some of those apps couldn't be uninstalled either. On my WP, i removed all apps i didn't want without issue.
    On WP8, podcasts, movies, FM radio, and music were all in the Xbox Music app. With WP8.1, they stripped out a bunch of Xbox Music features, claiming that their goal was to make a new app that wasn't part of the OS (like the original app was), so they could release more updates. With this, they broke those four things into separate apps. None were at the OS level, and none could be uninstalled anyway. With W10M, that trend continues. This is the worst part:

    Despite this crap that they were trying to make the music player a non-OS app to update it more often, it ended up a sham. What we got was a broken music player that was incredibly slow to load local libraries and missed great features about the original app (like lockscreen an live tile stuff). After a few months that got us to an app that was a little better, but still slow and with fewer features than its predecessor, the Xbox Music team announced it was ending its then-weekly updates (by "weekly," they really just meant sometimes weekly, sometimes announcing a delay last-minute). So, they took the app out of the OS level, which made it a LOT slower to load music, and they took out features, so they could abandon the app and leave us with an inferior experience.

    W10M is kind of continuing that with Groove Music. It's faster than the last iteration of Xbox Music, but it's slower than the original app. It doesn't have lockscreen to live tile functionality right now. The gesture-based navigation is gone, thrown into a pop-out window that just makes doing things slower and clunky. They removed the "Songs" section from artist view, meaning you can't start an entire artist's library from a specific track (my primary means of starting music, actually). It kind of epitomizes what W10M's current (read: BETA) state is: clunkier, slower, more cluttered, bloated, and inconvenient.
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    08-28-2015 03:13 PM
  15. GateCrasher84's Avatar
    I think the blue 950 looks nice based on that render each to their own

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    08-28-2015 03:36 PM
  16. Joshwin's Avatar
    The iPhone looks like a toy but nobody bitches about that right?
    its still a good looking toy with metal body.
    08-28-2015 03:40 PM
  17. Richard Bouchard1's Avatar
    Agreed get over it some will never be happy some are not even windows users!
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    08-28-2015 06:19 PM
  18. sd4f's Avatar
    I really hope their flagships don't ditch dedicated capacitive buttons to onscreen ones.

    Some specs would be nice to see, but the renders look rather generic, and don't have the sort of special something to make them look like a flagship phone.
    08-28-2015 06:37 PM
  19. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    But you're the 1% dude. Most people want bling bling.
    Most shallow people want bling. Much smaller percent of the rest of us want bling.
    08-28-2015 06:45 PM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It's some dude's computer rendered drawing.

    I want to see the actual phone before I decide what the actual phone looks like, actually...
    08-28-2015 10:39 PM
  21. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Nobody will pay luxury money for a Toyota Camry not matter what you put inside. It is still and midrange car. And we are supposed to pay $700 for these.. Are you joking? Premium whatever has to look good, feels good and works good. Would you pay $40,000 for Nissan Maxima? I don't think so. I am sure you would for a Lexus or Mercedes Benz, right?
    That's a flawed analogy. In the era of platform sharing and increasingly premium features in more base cars, you might very well be buying a Lexus that's based on the mundane Camry. Remember that Lexus remains essentially an American brand, and much of their product line is nothing more than a rebadged Toyota. As for a 40k Maxima? Offer me 40k of features and quality, and we can talk.

    So essentially... look at it like this. This phone is priced quite competitively compared to Android flagships such as the Galaxy S6 and LG G4. It slots in right around the G4's release price which undercut the Galaxy due to plastic build, and fewer luxuries and odd features. I'll undoubtedly give this phone a good hard look before I pass any harsh judgement on it. Galaxy S6 looked great in renders, but fell short in practice.

    #realflagship #dealwithit

    Complaining that the 950 does not pack the future is kinda pointless. Should Microsoft wait for the 820? But wait, the Snapdragon 830 will soon be around, maybe they should wait another year, but wait, the Snapdragon 840 will soon be announced, certainly we should wait, but wait... ... ... Fact is that the 810 and 808 has fallen short on synthetic benchmarks against the Exynos, and the A9x has fallen short against both. And yet... iphone users have a pretty good experience with their new phones. I haven't heard much complaining from the G4 users.

    tl;dr: Get over it. We finally get a new phone after a couple of years of patient waiting only to rip it apart? There is always something better on the horizon, don't wait. Embrace the now. Waiting for the future is eternal.
    08-28-2015 10:56 PM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Yeah well, considering what we've been seeing from Nokia/Microsoft the last couple years, our standards have been subconsciously lowered.
    Says you :) Mine haven't...I'd feel like I'd lower my standards going to an HTC or a Samsung. I'd take a Blu over either of them.

    That's a very "matter of fact" statement and I'm not so sure that EVERYONE agrees with you!!!
    I sure don't :)
    1. Maybe if you only acknowledge measurements by naming only. The 950 carries the SD 808 chip, which is inferior to the 810. The 810 tested poorly against the Samsung Exynos chips inside it S6 and S6 Edge. The 820 is also going into phones NOW, but Microsoft has opted for the older chip that's basically being replaced by every other flagship OEM within 4 months of the 950/950 XL release. The camera's not proven to be top-notch, as we know nothing of its OIS quality, nor do we know how it'll compare to the optics of the 930 and 1520 (same resolution). The 950 also isn't going to have integrated wireless charging, and you apparently have to buy some stupid flip cover (things I don't like) to add it in. We barely know anything about the true guts of these things, except that one carries a mid-range SoC and the other carries a high-end one that's about to be replaced. Other than that, it's somewhat vague stuff, from a performance standpoint (MP aren't the only thing to show camera quality, we don't know the battery life, regardless of battery size, etc.).

    2. "Expensive looking?" You mean, "expensive, and carrying high-end parts and materials." I don't want a metal body phone, they always lean towards lighter colors, and I don't care for those much on my phones (I abhor gloss plastic and hate white, yellow, cyan, and pink Lumia bodies). However, there is NOTHING refreshing about these things. As everyone says, the 950 is basically a 640/640 XL retread, and those look every bit the budget device. The 950 XL's inexplicable camera ring is hideous on the black device (probably isn't AS gross on a white one, but still an eyesore). I didn't like the 830/930 design because of the aluminum bands (found them ugly--as I said, don't like light-colored metals), but I'd take them ANY DAY over these things.

    3. Yeah, that Microsoft motto is a joke. If they were really about DOING stuff, they wouldn't have thrown pop-out menus into everything, making switching panes in an app slower and more cumbersome. They wouldn't have tucked all of my e-mail accounts into one app, leaving me to fumble around that pile of garbage known as "Outlook Mail" on W10M. They wouldn't have taken away multiple functions from Xbox Music (lockscreen and live tile settings). They wouldn't have thrown us an Xbox app that doesn't have toast notifications for messages. They wouldn't have cluttered the app list with a dozen or more system apps you can't uninstall, even if you don't want them. They wouldn't have bloated the OS to more than double the size of WP8.1. They wouldn't have basically done everything they could to just copy the iOS and Android designs of pop-out windows and layers upon layers of menus to be popular.

    Microsoft's about profits, not doing. That's why they're copying competing UIs. That's why they're porting apps (eventually), rather than building great apps for Windows users and hiding them from the competing platforms, in the hopes of adding a few more users.
    1. Reminds me of the HTC fans stating that the M8 windows was better than the 1520/930/Icons because it used an 801 processor vs the 800 processor. When we all discovered that in real world usage, the 801 processor really had no noticeable difference...but it help that small minority feel better so good on them.

    Now an 808 vs 820 might be a much radical difference. Wouldn't know and I am not going to sit here and declare either way that it is a good or bad thing because none of us. Remember....only geeks and fans like ourselves actually CARE about that. So your argument is essentially pointless because a general consumer has no clue what a qadcore processor is and what chipset is faster than the other.

    1B. I find it hilarious that apple is given a pass by most to be able to have such subpar specs(The IPhone 6 I believe has a 720P screen, Paltry 8 megapixel camera, Barely passable Front Facing camera) compared to their competitors.

    The thing that apple fans realize is that just because it doesn't have the top of the line specs(Isnt the iPhone only 1 GB ram...same as my $100 640) apple utilizes the specs have because it doesn't need to have the BEST specs be the BEST PHONE. More power doesn't translate into the Best Phone(Android says hello).

    2. The Lumia 640 XL is my favorite designed Windows Phone thus far. Doesn't feel cheap or look cheap in the least and I get compliments and questions on it, the same as I did with my 1520.
    My 640 looks cheap but then again it is a glossy plastic with my fingerprints and greasy food stains on it lol.

    I personally like the new lumias. I am glad that we are leaving the pointy sharp edges behind and I am a fan of the 640 Xl design language and I love polycarbate.

    I am disappointed by the lack of colors...I want Hulk Green or Cyan or some shade of blue.

    3. Now I can fully agree with you. You sound similar to me :) I am not thrilled with WIndows 10 mobile(but I still find it better than IOS and I refuse to use android) for many of the same reasons.

    I hate the ported apps idea and I despise the fact my phone feels like it is turning into android. I don't really like Windows 10 on my Surface tbh. But I am learning to adapt to it and I am going to and adapt to Windows 10 for mobile.

    3B. You do realize how silly that sounds. Of course they are about profits...this is a business not a charity.

    Unfortunately while I share your complaints in 3, we have to realize that they are going to have to sacrifice some stuff to gain users because we need the users so we can get the apps and support.
    08-28-2015 11:00 PM
  23. xandros9's Avatar
    My personal jury is out on those designs, but I just wanted to post this.

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    08-28-2015 11:56 PM
  24. Jazmac's Avatar
    I hope this isn't what flagship means to Microsoft because these look like cramming all night the day before the midterms. Funny, of all the renders we've seen float through this forum, how in the world did we get here? This looks like a Chinese knock-off at walmart. Granted these are really low grade renders so I'll keep my powder dry for now.
    08-29-2015 03:26 AM
  25. Skamath's Avatar
    Just lost all patience after the 3rd post on the second page. I guess to summarise what everyone ( majority) here are saying is that beauty is more than skin deep. OP!, You need good looks for the price point that MS is going to set, get a case which most will get anyway, slap it on and move on. If that isn't an option than show MS how you take your business with your feet and walk away. I am sure most here are looking at hardware specs and the performance that you can get out of the device (for making it high end) rather than looking at the bezel and button design and shape of the screen and the rest. I could have given you an analogy from elsewhere around the world but that would be pretty (sic) inappropriate for the forums. Find something better to discuss M8( read mate and not HTC)
    08-29-2015 04:40 AM
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