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  1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I know many of us may have already forgotten the Verizon debacle or scandal where it was rumored that Microsoft was considering no longer working with Verizon as the two flagships were likely not coming. But my questions is....ia tmobile.

    After all. Verizon and att both are strong partners. Sprint and tmobile are not. Verizon has had the most diverse windows phone roster where as att has had the strongest Lumia roster. Almost every model went to them first except the icon.

    Meanwhile tmobiles most recent flagship os the2013 Lumia 925 and the limited edition m8 windows from last year. It's noteworthy sellers are the 520/21 and the 635 and both of those phones are long sense an after thought despite both being high sellers.

    From what I read Microsoft is not considering sending them more shipment. Makes me wonder why unless they are trying to end a deal with T-Mobile.
    08-28-2015 09:50 PM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    I wondered the same thing after I read what T-mobile did. I hope that they don't. I'm not so sure that Verizon is a strong partner, since it has been speculated that they might not have future Lumias. It makes me sad though that Microsoft isn't going to send them more 640s though. It also makes me wonder if the 640 would get the update...eventually.

    We'll see but hopefully not. I thought it was kind of weird for Sprint to have one Windows phone, but T-mo is about to join those ranks :/
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    08-28-2015 09:55 PM
  3. davidofmidnight's Avatar
    Isn't it the carriers that decide what phones to buy and sell? Microsoft isn't really in the position to stop sending to a carrier unless they just aren't ordering them.
    08-28-2015 09:58 PM
  4. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Isn't it the carriers that decide what phones to buy and sell? Microsoft isn't really in the position to stop sending to a carrier unless they just aren't ordering them.
    Microsoft announced awhile back something along the lines of reconsidering their relationships with various carriers. It makes sense because why waste time and manpower for a phone especially an exclusive with a carrier who isn't going to push your product vs focusing on one that will.
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    08-28-2015 10:02 PM
  5. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I wondered the same thing after I read what T-mobile did. I hope that they don't. I'm not so sure that Verizon is a strong partner, since it has been speculated that they might not have future Lumias. It makes me sad though that Microsoft isn't going to send them more 640s though. It also makes me wonder if the 640 would get the update...eventually.

    We'll see but hopefully not. I thought it was kind of weird for Sprint to have one Windows phone, but T-mo is about to join those ranks :/
    I made a thread in the m8 windows section because I was curious if they still get updates on the phone since it is mo longer solder by tmobile(and despite the fact it's an HTC) because this worried me now. I want to know my 640 will get updated despite it not being carried and if I stay with tmobile I want to know my flagship will.

    I am really cconsidering going back home to att go phone. The same phone plan with tmobile at $50 is $5 less with att and for $5 more I can get rollover and more data. Not to mention I miss my 640 XL as my main device tbh as the 640 is so small to me.

    My main reason for switching to tmobile as because I liked the company stance on the industry and also because where I live att coverage sucked without microcell which forced me to keep a contract where I can at least always use tmobile as far as wifi calling.

    But I am also one to choose which carrier best supports my preferred smartphone Os
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    08-28-2015 10:08 PM
  6. davidofmidnight's Avatar
    Microsoft announced awhile back something along the lines of reconsidering their relationships with various carriers. It makes sense because why waste time and manpower for a phone especially an exclusive with a carrier who isn't going to push your product vs focusing on one that will.
    While I certainly agree with Microsoft's thinking on it, but the problem that will remain is finding a sales channel that gets the phones to the general public. Right now, it through the carrier, either retail or online. General people - the ones that MS needs - aren't going to a Microsoft Store to pick a phone, at least, not enough. And don't expect people to buy their first Windows phone from the online store.

    So that leaves general merchants. Would WalMart, Target, or even a Best Buy/Costco be a good place to sell them? Best Buy has leased out parts of their store to Samsung, would someone do the same for Microsoft?

    There's a lot involved here, and I hope that Microsoft would be able to pull it off.
    08-28-2015 10:10 PM
  7. Sedp23's Avatar
    I would think Verizon wouldn't get anymore high end Lumia's. Just phones from other manufacturers high - midrange. I would think tmobile has a better chance of getting them simply because it's gsm like Microsoft number 1 carrier att. Even still the Microsoft stores sell unlocked phones. So I'm not worried about tmobile. I think Verizon and Sprint have alot more to worry about than tmo customers do imo
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    08-28-2015 10:13 PM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    While I certainly agree with Microsoft's thinking on it, but the problem that will remain is finding a sales channel that gets the phones to the general public. Right now, it through the carrier, either retail or online. General people - the ones that MS needs - aren't going to a Microsoft Store to pick a phone, at least, not enough. And don't expect people to buy their first Windows phone from the online store.

    So that leaves general merchants. Would WalMart, Target, or even a Best Buy/Costco be a good place to sell them? Best Buy has leased out parts of their store to Samsung, would someone do the same for Microsoft?

    There's a lot involved here, and I hope that Microsoft would be able to pull it off.
    I would love to see them partner with Walmart(Virgin Mobile does that with their phones) to push products that work with say....their family mobile(Tmobile) line-up of devices. Or unlocked.....Even if its the cheaper models. After all this is Walmart.

    I am sure if the price is right, Best buy would gladly partner with them.

    I wished Microsoft could launch its own Wireless company personally(they do have enough cash to do so probably lol). Become an MVNO and partner with T-Mobile/Att and just sell phones that way.

    I would think Verizon wouldn't get anymore high end Lumia's. Just phones from other manufacturers high - midrange. I would think tmobile has a better chance of getting them simply because it's gsm like Microsoft number 1 carrier att. Even still the Microsoft stores sell unlocked phones. So I'm not worried about tmobile. I think Verizon and Sprint have alot more to worry about than tmo customers do imo
    Yeah I have been telling my friends and co-workers that I wouldn't say Verizon wont ever get another windows phone...just it may be a Lumia.

    Verizon seems to love Samsung Windows Phone especially and if you noticed, LG went to Verizon and no one else. Only one Samsung WIndows Phone I believe went to Att and One went to sprint. I think Verizon has had 3(Ativ S Odyssey, Neo and SE).

    I think the Odyssey also went to US Cellular.
    08-28-2015 11:40 PM
  9. jlangner's Avatar
    Didn't Daniel have an article that said all flag ships would have all radio options so if you bought from MS store it would work all? Of course that means no more Jump :(

    Yes, here is his quote:

    "As I have previously revealed, both phones should contain universal GSM radios letting Microsoft directly sell these devices unlocked to consumers including in the US."
    08-29-2015 12:35 PM
  10. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    I know many of us may have already forgotten the Verizon debacle or scandal where it was rumored that Microsoft was considering no longer working with Verizon as the two flagships were likely not coming. But my questions is....ia tmobile.

    After all. Verizon and att both are strong partners. Sprint and tmobile are not. Verizon has had the most diverse windows phone roster where as att has had the strongest Lumia roster. Almost every model went to them first except the icon.

    Meanwhile tmobiles most recent flagship os the2013 Lumia 925 and the limited edition m8 windows from last year. It's noteworthy sellers are the 520/21 and the 635 and both of those phones are long sense an after thought despite both being high sellers.

    From what I read Microsoft is not considering sending them more shipment. Makes me wonder why unless they are trying to end a deal with T-Mobile.
    Surely the decision not to sell them online would be T-Mobiles not Microsoft? The phones sold in Walmart are still T-Mobile brand, therefore Microsoft would still need to ship them phones unless they're going to be pulled as well? I can't see Microsoft telling them not to bother with online sales but carry on with the prepaid, if they didn't want to foster a relationship with T-Mobile.

    T-Mobile do have a history of not selling flagship windows devices, and since the upcoming phones are flagships, I wonder if the 640 will be T-Mobile's Windows Phone Swan Song.
    08-29-2015 12:46 PM
  11. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    I noticed that my two ventures into Windows phone, were both followed by significant events. After I bought the Lumia 521, Microsoft decided to buy Nokia which didn't seem to improve things. This time I bought the Lumia 640, thinking that they finally got it right and Microsoft then gets rid of Nokia!

    Maybe I should stop buying Windows Phones and ruining for the rest of you? LOL
    08-29-2015 01:03 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    But I am also one to choose which carrier best supports my preferred smartphone Os
    Only WP fans face this problem. iOS, Android, and even BlackBerry are supported universally.

    I can see why someone would choose a carrier based on their phone lineup if the carriers have good service where they live, but it sounds like you have only one good option. What good is the phone you want if it doesn't work well? As long as you can buy an unlocked WP, you're good with T-Mobile even if they don't officially support WP.

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    08-29-2015 01:37 PM
  13. libra89's Avatar
    I noticed that my two ventures into Windows phone, were both followed by significant events. After I bought the Lumia 521, Microsoft decided to buy Nokia which didn't seem to improve things. This time I bought the Lumia 640, thinking that they finally got it right and Microsoft then gets rid of Nokia!

    Maybe I should stop buying Windows Phones and ruining for the rest of you? LOL
    Haha, if this is the case, I am also guilty.
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    08-29-2015 02:25 PM
  14. mark233's Avatar
    08-29-2015 03:21 PM
  15. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Why would T-Mobile discontinue the 640 almost immediately and decide to carry a flagship device which I suspect will probably sell even less? There always seems to be rumors that T-Mobile will get a certain Windows Phone, only for them to carry nothing. Remember the 1520 and 1320? T-mobile got neither.
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    08-29-2015 03:26 PM
  16. mark233's Avatar
    Like hell I'm getting a TMO branded Windows flagship .... nope. Hell no. lol
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    08-29-2015 03:49 PM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    I think this is weird, but at the same time, it makes sense. They are both GSM carriers. If it doesn't go to them, then who does it go to? T-Mobile seems like they want to do this one or the other, and AT&T has both. I don't get it, but the same played out for 640, and 640 XL.
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    08-29-2015 05:46 PM
  18. mark233's Avatar
    I'm concerned they'll EOL it like they did the M8 after 4 months .... I don't know. :-/
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    08-29-2015 05:55 PM
  19. ven07's Avatar
    MS will still support carriers, but only if they want our phones, if they don't MS won't push for it and will bring the phones onto the market on their own (that's what I understood anyways) xd
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    08-29-2015 08:22 PM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    The Lumia 810, HTC M8 and Lumia 640 should tell anyone what they need to know about Tmo, support and updates. For anyone clued up its really a false economy to buy a carrier branded phone, eventually just leads to problems.
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    08-29-2015 08:40 PM
  21. ven07's Avatar
    The Lumia 810, HTC M8 and Lumia 640 should tell anyone what they need to know about Tmo, support and updates. For anyone clued up its really a false economy to buy a carrier branded phone, eventually just leads to problems.
    That's why the move away from contract phones is a good thing :D
    08-29-2015 08:48 PM
  22. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    The Lumia 810, HTC M8 and Lumia 640 should tell anyone what they need to know about Tmo, support and updates. For anyone clued up its really a false economy to buy a carrier branded phone, eventually just leads to problems.
    As long as Microsoft sell it unlocked, unfortunately the Lumia 640 is only available branded. I am of course on about the US version.
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    08-29-2015 10:22 PM
  23. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I'm concerned they'll EOL it like they did the M8 after 4 months .... I don't know. :-/
    Well I'd be more worried about HTC in general than T-Mobile when it comes to HTC Windows Phones, personally.


    Only WP fans face this problem. iOS, Android, and even BlackBerry are supported universally.

    I can see why someone would choose a carrier based on their phone lineup if the carriers have good service where they live, but it sounds like you have only one good option. What good is the phone you want if it doesn't work well? As long as you can buy an unlocked WP, you're good with T-Mobile even if they don't officially support WP.

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    Pretty sure blackberry is not universally accepted by the carriers as one might think Let's not forget that whole controversy with Tmobile vs Blackberry awhile back and they recently started selling blackberry products.

    I am not sure if their support is better or worse than Windows Phone with the carriers but it does appear that even with carrier support, it definitely doesn't help them sell anything of actual use to be relevant.

    It is not that I am really stuck with T-Mobile because I am not....

    I want to support T-Mobile on the fact I enjoy what they are doing with their company and the industry as a whole. I like supporting good companies.

    Problem is, when I am at my place in North Carolina....coverage is non-existent as well as a few places in my main place in California. So I am basically best friends with Wifi calling.

    That being said I really want to use my Lumia 640 XL over this 640 but alas it doesn't have wifi calling so the phone is effectively useless to me, at the moment since I cant use it on Tmobile without wifi calling....
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    08-30-2015 01:31 AM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I've always chosen a carrier first, then a phone. If I cannot get coverage, then I won't use that carrier, no matter what cool phone it happens to sell.
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    08-30-2015 01:38 AM
  25. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I noticed that my two ventures into Windows phone, were both followed by significant events. After I bought the Lumia 521, Microsoft decided to buy Nokia which didn't seem to improve things. This time I bought the Lumia 640, thinking that they finally got it right and Microsoft then gets rid of Nokia!



    Maybe I should stop buying Windows Phones and ruining for the rest of you? LOL
    No keep buying them :) Those 2 things I am happy with....maybe if you buy your 3rd, I can hope Microsoft will stop relying on crap OEMs who don't push their products to help the platform and say F U to then and release a badass device without worrying about stepping on toes.

    (I sometimes wonder if that is why Microsoft is doing the way they do...so their OEMs don't whine and if tha tis the case, can we truly blame Microsoft for half the stuff they do?)
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    08-30-2015 01:44 AM
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