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  1. garak0410's Avatar
    Let me give you my background. I first discovered "Windows Mobile" when I picked up a Dell Axim PDA and fell in love with it. When I could finally get it with a phone, I purchased a Cingular 8125 and it was the best of both words. When I picked up an HTC Fuze, I discovered the world of XDA Developers and kept that phone updated that way. While with a Fuze, I picked up a Zune 120GB and wow, what a device. When Windows Phone 7 was announced, I joined their launch forums and participated so much that I won a free ZuneHD. :) My Fuze broke before I could get a Windows Phone 7, so ended up with a Samsung Skyrocket and while I loved the power of Android (if felt almost like Windows Mobile 6.5), I just didn't have a good experience as over time, it would lock up or crash more often than not. Finally, when Windows 8.1 came out, I got a 920. My work offered to pay for my phone, so moved to their account, Verizon, with a 928 and finally an ICON. Over the past few months with Windows 10 builds that drained my ICON way too fast and all but no chance of a 950XL, I decided to "test drive" a spare, unused Note 5 here at work.

    2 Weeks later, I am still using the Note 5. Why? That is a complicated question. I've updated my ICON to the latest Windows 10 releases and battery has improved. But I am still using the Note 5.

    The answers are complicated for sure but I guess it does have to boil down to apps, productivity, and weary of the "wait and see" Microsoft approach.

    Apps. Apps. Apps. I used to be a defender of the lack of apps but can't now once I've had them on the Note 5. OK, Facebook and FB Messenger aren't entirely mission critical apps but oh wow, they are MILES better on Android than on Windows phone. Especially the chat heads that pop up on the side of the screen (I imagine this is where an EDGE works well.)

    I feel like I can do more on the Note 5 that I don't have to pick up my beloved (and still loved) Surface Pro 3 because I can do a lot and faster with the Note 5. I've loaded the Note 5 with the Microsoft ecosystem and it works very well, including Cortana. Groove music is the only big negative because of no music scrubbing and/or rewind/forward. I've used the stylus a lot in OneNote, more than I thought I would.

    I've also grown weary of waiting on Microsoft and before anyone criticizes that, look at my opening paragraph. I've BEEN waiting, I've embraced their mobile only to have to "reboot" or simply WAIT. Heck, I bought three Surface RT's. Abandoned there too. Project Astoria and Ironwood should already be in full swing and ready for the launch of W10 Mobile. Heck, we should have seen progress since the launch of Windows 10. Again, we are told it is coming...itis coming...wait and see.

    With the Note 5, I feel like I am in the NOW. Sure, I much prefer the Windows 10 ecosystem and live tiles but I just can't yet return to my ICON. And with no hope of an upgrade from Verizon or using an unlocked 950xl on Verizon, I just feel like now is the time to change, even if I love Windows Phone.

    Bottom line, if the 950xl was going to be allowed on Verizon, I would have no reason to have tested this Note 5. Now that I have, it is hard to go back to my aging (but still great) ICON.

    I want to be all in with the Microsoft Ecosystem but considering it runs rather well on Android and no 950xl coming, I may hang on it until the dust settles from this Verizon/Windows Phone debacle.

    Anyone else in a similar position? Thoughts...
    10-30-2015 04:04 PM
  2. GoodEyeSniper83's Avatar
    You pretty much read my mind. I also have Verizon. I was so excited about my Lumia 735 and love the way it works, but it's just not compatible with so many things.

    I spent the entire day at an educational technology conference unable to use the apps and programs bc they're not Windows compatible or there's no WP app. I can't integrate these into my classroom if I can't use it.

    I paid for my Lumia outright so I'm stuck with it. I'm considering getting an Android next summer and saving this phone for my kids to play on.

    *sigh*
    10-30-2015 04:38 PM
  3. bradleyj's Avatar
    I'm in Canada where NO carriers are getting the new Lumias. Like you, I want apps. No, I don't need alot but Windows phone is actually worse off than just missing apps. The browser can't handle many sites either (since they are not made with Windows Phone in mind). I have doubts that Edge will fix that. For example, I tried to order pizza from pizza hut while on a trip. No app was available AND the mobile site didn't work on my phone. Eventually I gave up and my brother used his iPhone to order. Grrr...

    Because W10 Mobile appears to be nearly dead and will not be supported in Canada, I am now testing out a borrowed iPhone 6. Sadly I can't stand it. A couple of my frustrations are the inability to pin mailboxes to the start screen and the little numbers being a sad excuse for notifications (they do NOT disappear by opening the app, only by manually entering and exiting every email!). Maybe Android is better? After this disappointing experience on iPhone i just wish MS would make a Windows skinned android phone OR somehow allow us to load Google play onto W10 mobile.

    *sigh*
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    10-30-2015 05:46 PM
  4. garak0410's Avatar
    I'm in Canada where NO carriers are getting the new Lumias. Like you, I want apps. No, I don't need alot but Windows phone is actually worse off than just missing apps. The browser can't handle many sites either (since they are not made with Windows Phone in mind). I have doubts that Edge will fix that. For example, I tried to order pizza from pizza hut while on a trip. No app was available AND the mobile site didn't work on my phone. Eventually I gave up and my brother used his iPhone to order. Grrr...

    Because W10 Mobile appears to be nearly dead and will not be supported in Canada, I am now testing out a borrowed iPhone 6. Sadly I can't stand it. A couple of my frustrations are the inability to pin mailboxes to the start screen and the little numbers being a sad excuse for notifications (they do NOT disappear by opening the app, only by manually entering and exiting every email!). Maybe Android is better? After this disappointing experience on iPhone i just wish MS would make a Windows skinned android phone OR somehow allow us to load Google play onto W10 mobile.

    *sigh*
    YES!!! I do miss pinning just about everything to the start screen. I was able to 'PIN' a ONENOTE 'note' to the home screen but not much is pinnable beyond apps and mostly ugly widgets...

    Android is better yes but can be messier. I was going to take our owners suggestion and get an iPhone 6s+ but decided on the Note 5 and it is more "fun" than an iPhone for sure but I do miss the elegance of WP and Live Tiles.
    10-30-2015 05:55 PM
  5. vw412fan's Avatar
    Anyone else in a similar position? Thoughts...
    Yeah I actually jumped to a used iPhone 5s on RingPlus, for various reasons (I posted a thread tonight about it)

    Really love the Windows Phone interface, but some of the stuff Apple is doing is pretty great, and since the whole family is on iOS I was the odd man out. Having Microsoft's apps available on that platform made it much easier for me to make the switch.

    But there are many things that I think Microsoft is doing better on their mobile platform. I hope it continues to grow and survive. :)
    10-30-2015 06:10 PM
  6. aximtreo's Avatar
    It's nawing at my stomach but I have put my ICON aside and activated the Note 4 I just purchased. Funny, you mentioned apps and it never occurred to me that I would miss Chipotle or Pizza Hut but there they are on Android store.

    I have my Icon for sale here on WC along with a HP Stream 8 tablet. I'll keep the Note 4 until a final decision is made on MS vs Verizon. Why should I be forced to change carriers to get the 950xl. So confused and pissed at the same time.
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    10-30-2015 09:32 PM
  7. TechAbstract's Avatar
    Chipotle order page works with UC browser on 8.1 and Edge on 10. I agree that some websites might not work with the legacy IE on WP8. Pizza Hut has an app for WP. Maybe it's US only. I could see people frustration with Lumia 950XL might not be on Verizon, but there are other OEMs out there too, not just Microsoft.
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    10-30-2015 11:28 PM
  8. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    Let me give you my background. I first discovered "Windows Mobile" when I picked up a Dell Axim PDA and fell in love with it. When I could finally get it with a phone, I purchased a Cingular 8125 and it was the best of both words. When I picked up an HTC Fuze, I discovered the world of XDA Developers and kept that phone updated that way. While with a Fuze, I picked up a Zune 120GB and wow, what a device. When Windows Phone 7 was announced, I joined their launch forums and participated so much that I won a free ZuneHD. :) My Fuze broke before I could get a Windows Phone 7, so ended up with a Samsung Skyrocket and while I loved the power of Android (if felt almost like Windows Mobile 6.5), I just didn't have a good experience as over time, it would lock up or crash more often than not. Finally, when Windows 8.1 came out, I got a 920. My work offered to pay for my phone, so moved to their account, Verizon, with a 928 and finally an ICON. Over the past few months with Windows 10 builds that drained my ICON way too fast and all but no chance of a 950XL, I decided to "test drive" a spare, unused Note 5 here at work.

    2 Weeks later, I am still using the Note 5. Why? That is a complicated question. I've updated my ICON to the latest Windows 10 releases and battery has improved. But I am still using the Note 5.

    The answers are complicated for sure but I guess it does have to boil down to apps, productivity, and weary of the "wait and see" Microsoft approach.

    Apps. Apps. Apps. I used to be a defender of the lack of apps but can't now once I've had them on the Note 5. OK, Facebook and FB Messenger aren't entirely mission critical apps but oh wow, they are MILES better on Android than on Windows phone. Especially the chat heads that pop up on the side of the screen (I imagine this is where an EDGE works well.)

    I feel like I can do more on the Note 5 that I don't have to pick up my beloved (and still loved) Surface Pro 3 because I can do a lot and faster with the Note 5. I've loaded the Note 5 with the Microsoft ecosystem and it works very well, including Cortana. Groove music is the only big negative because of no music scrubbing and/or rewind/forward. I've used the stylus a lot in OneNote, more than I thought I would.

    I've also grown weary of waiting on Microsoft and before anyone criticizes that, look at my opening paragraph. I've BEEN waiting, I've embraced their mobile only to have to "reboot" or simply WAIT. Heck, I bought three Surface RT's. Abandoned there too. Project Astoria and Ironwood should already be in full swing and ready for the launch of W10 Mobile. Heck, we should have seen progress since the launch of Windows 10. Again, we are told it is coming...itis coming...wait and see.

    With the Note 5, I feel like I am in the NOW. Sure, I much prefer the Windows 10 ecosystem and live tiles but I just can't yet return to my ICON. And with no hope of an upgrade from Verizon or using an unlocked 950xl on Verizon, I just feel like now is the time to change, even if I love Windows Phone.

    Bottom line, if the 950xl was going to be allowed on Verizon, I would have no reason to have tested this Note 5. Now that I have, it is hard to go back to my aging (but still great) ICON.

    I want to be all in with the Microsoft Ecosystem but considering it runs rather well on Android and no 950xl coming, I may hang on it until the dust settles from this Verizon/Windows Phone debacle.

    Anyone else in a similar position? Thoughts...
    I have done the same with my Note 4, got Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote (use it heavily!), OneDrive, Outlook and Office Lens, and they all work beautifully, even with the SPen, its such a pleasure to use my Android with the MS ecosystem working so smoothly, the best is using OneNote between my Note 4, iPad and Laptop :D

    Enjoy the Note5, its a fantastic device. The nice thing with Android is you get incredible devices e.g. Galaxy Note5, Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S6 Edge+, LG G4, Nexus 6P, Xperia Z5 Premium , Moto X Pure etc... That have the best hardware, from Display, Camera, RAM, internal storage, fast charging, Finger print scanning etc... And then you have this huge and highly accommodating app ecosystem, from the best publishers and even games. :)
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    10-31-2015 05:23 AM
  9. Ian Too's Avatar
    Not me. The security situation with Android simply isn't good enough, it doesn't matter whose skew, Stagefright shows the OS is not well written and so can't deliver the protection I require.

    Also, the latest build of Windows 10 is good enough to run as a driver and gives me heart for the future.
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    10-31-2015 07:19 AM
  10. Lee Power's Avatar
    Left Android due to security issues, lack of support from OEM to update there handsets, constant tinkering needed by user to keep Android running smoothly without bogging down & of course Google data mining. I'm very happy with Windows Phone, its simple & it works.
    10-31-2015 07:26 AM
  11. silentFan's Avatar
    Yep Lee Power got it right, it simple, beautiful and it works. I'm not in the US so no carrier issues. Goodbye to those leaving, sad to see you go..
    10-31-2015 07:51 AM
  12. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Just picked up a iPhone 6s Plus. And in comparison coming from a Lumia 920 then a 1520.... Windows phone/Windows mobile is still in beta!
    10-31-2015 08:22 AM
  13. garak0410's Avatar
    Yep Lee Power got it right, it simple, beautiful and it works. I'm not in the US so no carrier issues. Goodbye to those leaving, sad to see you go..
    Oh I've not left yet...the Note 5 just gives me reasons o stay...for example, took several pictures from 2 evens last night and woke up to the gallery app notifying me it made a photo/video highlight and wow, that was nice.

    Speaking of that, I really liked Microsoft's Movie Creator Beta but I can't seem to get it installed on any Windows 10 device.

    And I am still thinking of riding out the Lumia ICON until we get something from Verizon...so not totally out yet....
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    10-31-2015 08:32 AM
  14. garak0410's Avatar
    Just picked up a iPhone 6s Plus. And in comparison coming from a Lumia 920 then a 1520.... Windows phone/Windows mobile is still in beta!
    I know a lot of people may take your comment out of context but I see your point. As much as like Live Tiles and the Experience of WP, everything always seems to be in a beta flux. And not speaking of just Windows 10 Insider, which I admit, is improving.
    10-31-2015 08:36 AM
  15. garak0410's Avatar
    I have done the same with my Note 4, got Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote (use it heavily!), OneDrive, Outlook and Office Lens, and they all work beautifully, even with the SPen, its such a pleasure to use my Android with the MS ecosystem working so smoothly, the best is using OneNote between my Note 4, iPad and Laptop :D

    Enjoy the Note5, its a fantastic device. The nice thing with Android is you get incredible devices e.g. Galaxy Note5, Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S6 Edge+, LG G4, Nexus 6P, Xperia Z5 Premium , Moto X Pure etc... That have the best hardware, from Display, Camera, RAM, internal storage, fast charging, Finger print scanning etc... And then you have this huge and highly accommodating app ecosystem, from the best publishers and even games. :)
    This sums up why it is hard to go back to the ICON. I do like having the more productive apps. The Microsoft apps are quite good on Android. About security, well, I read what each app wants to access and don't install if I don't like it. But I concur, Windows Phone is more secure.
    10-31-2015 08:39 AM
  16. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    This sums up why it is hard to go back to the ICON. I do like having the more productive apps. The Microsoft apps are quite good on Android. About security, well, I read what each app wants to access and don't install if I don't like it. But I concur, Windows Phone is more secure.
    WRT Security, you have to be on a mission to get malware to get it on your phone. I tend to get careless, and have turned off Verify Apps and Allow 3rd Party Apps, and haven't had any issues.
    10-31-2015 10:16 AM
  17. garak0410's Avatar
    Deep down, the ecosystem is the most important factor to me...especially Groove music. I use it on PC, tablets, XBOX and Phone. I really don't have the time to invest the time and money on another music service. On Android, it is not great, if only for the no music scrubbing option. If the Android Groove would get it (and I imagine it will), then it may be even harder to move. But as I said, if I had a 950xl available, it would be pre-ordered by now. :)

    And yes, still sitting here with the ICON and Note 5 in front of me, wondering if I will go back to the ICON for a while. I think one thing that is keeping me from it is the unknown future of the OS on phones. Perhaps it will always be around as long as there is a Windows 10, which looks to be a long time. We may just not have the app development we would enjoy on IOS and Android.
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    10-31-2015 11:38 AM
  18. Chef316's Avatar
    I have T-Mobile and am in a similar situation can't afford to switch or by the 950 outright at this time. The speakers broke on my L925 and they no longer have replacement devices available. The best deals they have are for Android devices. :( Will probably be getting a Samsung S5 or something...
    Last edited by Chef316; 10-31-2015 at 01:28 PM.
    10-31-2015 01:11 PM
  19. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ^^^

    You know you can find T-Mo branded Windows Phones all over teh interwebz right? Some are even BNIB...

    Heck, if you don't mind not having WiFi calling that opens the field even more. The Go Phone 640 is only $60 at Walmart or Best Buy and you can unlock it in a jiffy on the ATT unlock portal.

    I'm not sure how you are giving in so easily if you really want a Windows Phone?
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    10-31-2015 01:18 PM
  20. Chef316's Avatar
    ^^^
    Replied to your comment on my other post...
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    10-31-2015 01:27 PM
  21. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    I was a rom dev for android, and I gave up with it in the end. Yes, it has 'more' apps, most of which are duplicates, yes it has nice fashion items from Samdung et al, but, whilst the devices are nice and fashionable, the OS is becoming more 'clunky'. Google rely on 3rd party OEM's to provide the hardware, apart from the nexus which runs vanilla android. Droid has issues with memory bleed, use of hardware and a UI that appears to have been designed by 3yr olds with Crayons. When you buy an OEM device, such as samdung, you end up with a shed load of bloat, which you can remove by rooting, BUT, if you have Knox built in to your device, rooting will 'blow' the fuse which is part of the SOC, and then try getting warranty work done. HTC continue to bootlock, and have s-off. Admittedly, rooting is one of the better reasons for droid, but having done that, those who use banking apps or PPV apps will be out of luck. Also, OEM's on droid tend to drop support rapidly, especially when a new shiny fashion item arrives.

    I came to WP by accident. I broke one of my note 3's, and needed a phone whilst I was on the road. Between fares, I shot into a supermarket and grabbed what I thought was a cheap Samsung, for the same money I could have something called a WP 535. I NEVER bothered replacing the note. Everything was so much straightforward and easy to use. I discovered Cortana and that was it. Now have 930, 1320 and 640xl. My whole house is windowed up. My teenage son has never complained about apps. He uses his tablet for gaming.

    At the end of the day, it's personal choice. At least MSFT are offering W10M to pretty much all devices, unlike some. I know people with galaxies that are still stuck on 4.4.2!! How poor was that one!!!! No hint of an upgrade, even though 2 of them are 4g phones a year old!!

    PS, family guy says it all. Bill Gates goes to a party thrown by Carter where he asks him to help with his ( oh hell forgot what device he said ) mp3 player. He then goes ah ha, I've got an iPod like every one else in the world. Nearly fell of the couch laughing!! How true?? Episode with from 2007 I think;)
    10-31-2015 01:49 PM
  22. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Now for my gripes about new experience on iOS. One button controls is tough to get used to. My 1520 kills my 6s+ in camera section. I feel as multitasking is easier on my 1520 maybe because I'm still getting used to one button control but the 6s is a monster at keeping apps running smooth in the background with zero! Resuming from app to app. But I give full props to my 1520 for a bit better battery life and the best camera but on a whole....... iOS is a boring beast!
    10-31-2015 01:58 PM
  23. Montpbm's Avatar
    Nope! And for the record I get no more resuming or loading on my 1520. They have completely fixed that in the latest preview build. Apps in the background opens instantly, very fast and fluid.
    10-31-2015 02:17 PM
  24. hoovermac's Avatar
    Hey folks - posted this on Android Central - basically reproducing it here. This is one big reason I cling to some hope with Windows Mobile. On a recent weekend trip (+ 2 hours both ways) I used the L1520 and the Galaxy S4 over Bluetooth in a 2013 Dodge Avenger to deal with some work stuff on both ends of the trip. On the way up with the Galaxy, text messages got read OK with the ReadItToMe app, but only after overriding S-Voice with another app. Still could not get Google Maps to work through BT, nor could I set a few reminders for the weekend. On the way back, L1520 was used with W10 Mobile build 1572. Cortana was seamlessly used to navigate, read and send text messages, set up two appointments in my calendar over BT, and fire up a few reminders for late afternoon. I have looked to get that level of integration in the Play Store with various apps on the S4 and I couldn't get it to work. This is one area where Windows Phone really shines, and that's not just my opinion on Android Central (it's been noted on more than a few occasions). I didn't realize how much I took those features of Windows Phone and Cortana for granted until I had to use the S4 (the mic died on my 1520 sadly).
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    10-31-2015 06:39 PM
  25. sleeve22's Avatar
    I am pretty excited with the idea of replacing my 920 with a 950 upon release. I admit I am losing some patience and even thought about getting an iPhone for a while. Trying my best to wait patiently. I figure I should be used to it by now.
    10-31-2015 06:57 PM
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