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  1. xandros9's Avatar
    Lumia 950 and XL running Android will get you apps
    But there is no such thing as a 950 or XL with Android.
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    12-01-2015 12:04 AM
  2. Slovenix's Avatar
    But there is no such thing as a 950 or XL with Android.
    Exactly. *cries* :P
    12-01-2015 12:08 AM
  3. xandros9's Avatar
    Exactly. *cries* :P
    Aren't there better phones though with Android?
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    12-01-2015 12:30 AM
  4. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    I have to say, us windows fan need to put efforts to make sure our beloved OS doesn't die out.
    We need to spam the inbox of developers asking for "update" or "windows version" in case it's android of iOS exclusive. They should soon realize the demand is real, and trust me this idea sounds stupid on paper but windows 10 mobile is right around the corner. New Lumia's have just launched. If there's a time that developers will consider making apps for windows is THIS time.
    Let's put in our efforts.

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    12-01-2015 01:08 AM
  5. Geo Hutchings's Avatar
    It's starting to get to me too. I am on the verge of calling it quits for Windows 10.
    Over the weekend I went out to a bar I usually go to. They have one of those Internet-connected jukeboxes, where you can use an app to pay and select songs, see what's next etc. Naturally, there is no app for Windows Phone (or Windows 10), but I'm used to it, so I put in my dollar bills in the machine and select on the screen in the bar. Not that big a deal, but it's been annoying anyway. I have a Moto E at home that I sometimes take to places where I know I will want a particular app, but I didn't have it with me.

    This time though, we were sitting around at the bar and decided to do a little impromptu karaoke. Everyone (except me, of course) pull out their phones to check what is coming, and select some songs. I, of course, had to walk over to the machine and insert bills. ;) But what came next was really irritating and symptomatic of the app gap. One guy starts a karaoke app on his Android phone, that automatically syncs the lyrics to what is playing on the jukebox. That was really cool and fun, and we had a blast.
    THAT is what the app gap is. It's not just the Snapchat and the banking apps and the store apps, though it is all of that too. It's the smaller apps. The fun ones. The ones that enhance your life in some way. Why would I pay hundreds (thousands, if you count subscriptions) for a new Windows phone, when I keep losing out on things like these?

    My Verizon contract will be up in a few months. I was hoping that Windows 10 Mobile will have the bugs worked out by then, but when things like these keep happening, I keep wondering why I should even bother. I love the OS, but at this point the app gap is worse than it has ever been. It's just no fun anymore to have a Windows phone.
    Contact the company that makes the app
    12-01-2015 01:13 AM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Aren't there better phones though with Android?
    No, since they use android.

    Personally I am not going to leave an OS i love for some apps. That's like having a wife or husband you love and you cheat with a younger model for the thrill.
    libra89 and DadTo2 like this.
    12-01-2015 01:17 AM
  7. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    No, since they use android.

    Personally I am not going to leave an OS i love for some apps. That's like having a wife or husband you love and you cheat with a younger model for the thrill.
    That's an interesting way to look at things.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    12-01-2015 01:26 AM
  8. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    No, since they use android.

    Personally I am not going to leave an OS i love for some apps. That's like having a wife or husband you love and you cheat with a younger model for the thrill.
    The difference is that nobody makes a lifetime commitment to an operating system. Operating systems aren't any different than cars, TVs, clothes. They are used solely for what they can do for us, not because of any other reason. In fact, many people use multiple operating systems. I belong to two Linux User Groups. Many members of the groups prefer Linux, but they still use Windows, mainly for gaming. They don't hate Windows or feel like they're cheating by using Windows. Whatever best suits their needs is what they use.
    12-01-2015 01:34 AM
  9. mj0's Avatar
    The app gap will be getting worse unless some drastic changes occur. Changes that will have to start with a massive bump in market share for Windows Phone devices otherwise there's really no point in a) developing, and more importantly b) maintaining an app for what few Windows Phone users exist. The situation also differs from country to country - some countries, such as Italy, have a comparatively high Windows Phone market share whereas others, such as the US, more often than not categorize Windows Phone as "others" together with UbuntuOS, FirefoxOS, Sailfish, Meego, etc.

    I'll give you a few examples. I currently live in Germany where market share for Windows Phone devices is more than double that of the US (If I'm not mistaken it's around 8% right now, with iOS being around 17% and Android around 74%). It's obvious that the situation for big multinational corporations such as Facebook (crap), Google (not available), Twitter (crap), Snapchat (not available), Best Western (crap), booking.com (not available), etc. doesn't differ from other countries. You would think that an 8% market share might be an incentive for German companies to consider Windows Phone when it comes to their mobile apps yet even the local German apps are either non-existent or differ dramatically from their iOS/Android counterparts:

    • lieferando & lieferheld (not available - order takeout for delivery from a restaurant nearby and pay via PayPal)
    • eBay Kleinanzeigen & Shpock (not available - classifieds with eBay Kleinanzeigen being the local top dog)
    • Deutsche Bahn Navigator (available - long distance and regional trains - no support for mobile tickets on Windows Phone)
    • MVG Fahrinfo (third party app available - local public transport in Munich - no support for mobile tickets on Windows Phone)
    • DKB Banking (not available - banking app with support for mobile banking via pushTAN on Android/iOS)
    • Barclaycard (not available - banking app, mobile site is a major PITA and slow as can be)


    Back in my Windows Phone days I've inquired with quite a few of those whether there were any plans to support Windows Phone anytime soon, and the answer was always along the lines of "no, it's not worth it, maybe at some distant point in the future". Which can be roughly translated to: there's not enough users to justify the expense, maybe if Windows Phone gains significant market share at some point in the distant future we'll consider thinking about it.

    Bottom line: it's not worth the hassle. If I was running a company and had to make a decision how much money to spend to develop an app for my business I would certainly not thing about Windows Phone twice. It's just not worth it, and quite frankly I don't see the point of universal apps since tablet/laptop users will simply use what they're already used to: the website.
    12-01-2015 01:45 AM
  10. triageatdawn's Avatar
    People who introduced me to WM are thinking of giving up too and switching to iPhone. Like they said - all MS apps are already on iOS. I don't know what to say guys. It's sad.
    MikeSo, bradm77 and HinoMusouka like this.
    12-01-2015 02:37 AM
  11. notinbeta's Avatar
    Same here. I really do enjoy using Windows Phone, for the most basic tasks like SMS, calling, browsing, e-mail (with exceptions) it does really well. But when it comes to basic social apps, utility apps, productivity apps (except for Office of course), EVERYTHING is either lacking in features or just isn't available. People say the app gap is closing, yes I do believe that's true, but it's closing with the goal to -catch up- with iOS and Android, and that's what is really frustrating about this whole thing.

    BTW, I gave up as well, I switched to iPhone again a few weeks ago, and although I don't completely enjoy the OS, the virtually infinite amount of well made apps that are full of features and most importantly offer a -complete- experience, are what makes switching to iOS and Android worth the hassle and more than justify (IMO) the switch.
    bradm77, libra89, melhiore and 2 others like this.
    12-01-2015 02:45 AM
  12. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Same old threads.... If WM isn't for you then the decision is yours, and yours alone. It seems that every other post is about app gaps. Yes, the store doesn't carry the inventory of 'others', but the majority of us cope with it. Most of us knew what the score was. If you want to join the other Fashionistas' and end up being handcuffed by iOS, that's your choice. If you want to go droid, best of luck to you, but having spoken to a couple of devs I used to cook with, security is becoming an issue, and Google want to know everything about you almost to the point of you can't crap without them knowing about it!

    I'll stick to the relatively 'safe / mundane / enjoyable OS' that I have come to enjoy after being on droid for many years.
    aximtreo, libra89 and zei20t like this.
    12-01-2015 02:59 AM
  13. Slovenix's Avatar
    Aren't there better phones though with Android?
    Actually I'm one of that part of the people who prefer plastic phones with removable back, big battery, SD card, on screen buttons, and most certainly awesome Camera, as I guess the only thing that sucks at 950s camera is software. :D

    These two 950s are actually the most appealing phones on the market for me. I do enjoy Samsung's Amoled screens or HTC's Sense, LG's design.. Yet 950 just fills all my needs on the hardware part.
    aximtreo and MikeSo like this.
    12-01-2015 03:04 AM
  14. KimRM's Avatar
    But what came next was really irritating and symptomatic of the app gap. One guy starts a karaoke app on his Android phone, that automatically syncs the lyrics to what is playing on the jukebox. That was really cool and fun, and we had a blast.
    THAT is what the app gap is.
    Shazam does that.
    12-01-2015 03:13 AM
  15. Slovenix's Avatar
    Shazam does that.
    Yes, yes it does.
    12-01-2015 03:15 AM
  16. SafeSchoolsCzar's Avatar
    It's not in the store but it was in my library as compatible and works just fine.
    12-01-2015 04:06 AM
  17. Habib Dagher's Avatar
    As far as I am concerned, I feel since switching to Lumia 1520 two years ago, I have had far less headache than when I was on Android... Soooo many apps I've installed that I never ever used.

    With Windows Mobile, I do miss some apps... Usually those about practicality... And that is where I wish Microsoft SERIOUSLY steps up its game.

    You don't have to woo developers. You can't woo them all. You don't have to seduce them. You don't have to push and pull and compete with other platforms.

    It's wayyyy simpler than that. Simply, set up a unit within Microsoft Mobile, let's call it the App Hub. 2, 3 or 5 employees, whatever it is. Monitor the major markets where the competing platforms are dominant. Start with the globally-dominant apps that trespass localization needs such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, the major news channels, etc...

    #1: Get a tech counselor or lawyer to negotiate a deal with the publisher or developer. Either pay the developer to create a Windows Mobile version with a commitment for all future updates and releases IN PARALLEL to the iOS/Android updates OR have the Microsoft in-house team develop the Windows 10 Mobile version with the supervision/guidance/agreement of the rights holders.

    #2: Pick up the top 100 apps from each competing platform category. Pick up the Top 100 games, Top 100 chat apps, Top 100 mapping apps, Top 100 health-related apps, Top 100 fitness apps, Top 100 advertising industry apps, Top 100 educational apps, Top 100 traffic tickets apps, Top 100 e-books libraries apps, Top 100 music apps, Top 100 photo editing apps, Top 100 video editing apps, Top 100 Instagram editing apps, Top 100 coffee recipes apps, Top 100 cooking apps, Top 100 restaurant locator apps, Top 100 sites apps, Top 100 WHATEVER apps.

    I am sure it won't cost more than $500 million IN TOTAL and i am sure Microsoft is throwing way more than that on marketing budgets of current products AND losing the same if not a bigger amount of money on creating great phones that sell poorly because of the app gap issue/stigma.

    They should be smart enough to know by now, they cannot coax or seduce people into buying their mobiles and handsets by simply showcasing how great they are. I know they are great, those who use them know they are great, those who are tech savvy know they are great, but no store is going to risk selling a Win OS to someone expecting SnapChat, Tango, and their bank's app to be compatible,
    they will return second day to either exchange it or report the sales people if they can't return the device for being sold a "useless" gadget.

    The competition between iOS and Android has surpassed the concept of apps and app stores and they have saturated their own markets therefore they have shifted to other routes. Android expansion is based on covering an unlimited number of OEM's from low-end to high-end devices while iOS already has a cult-like following that will buy anything with the Apple logo on it, even if it's an empty box.

    Let's be honest, Microsoft is way behind. A great platform doesn't make a great seller which doesn't secure its chances of survival.

    No one ever thought Nokia would crash (in disregard to Elop's role) while they were creating far more advanced devices when the first iPhone came out.

    Let's be blunt this time, Microsoft, you are way behind in market share. You can't even compete with the other two the same way they compete among each other. It's like 2 black-belt karate masters with a yellow-belt karate pupil. You need to get the apps on your platform, Continuum and all that, we all love, but that doesn't mean I can use a proper Tango app. That doesn't mean I can have that Instagram app where i can create split videos. That doesn't mean I can handle my online banking through my bank's app. That doesn't mean I can check my speeding tickets. That doesn't mean I can do this and that while my friends have far poorer phones in terms of specs and their experience is way smoother.

    Until Project Astoria becomes a reality that is completely compatible with Win 10 Mobile, I cannot see any other solution than what I've suggested.

    Universal apps is an amazing concept, and I am on Win 10 and Win 10 Mobile, then again, Universal apps are USELESS if the ones that i need are not there to begin with.....
    12-01-2015 05:03 AM
  18. Norman Marshall's Avatar
    Shazam syncs automatically too.
    12-01-2015 05:26 AM
  19. cracgor's Avatar
    What universal apps come from the PC? My experience is most are ports of existing phone apps. Universal apps so far are failing.

    The other thing to ponder is apps bring functionality. Continuum os like a built in app that maybe 10% of users would use on a regular basis. You can't sell a phone on gimmicks when even the majority of that 10% will miss some other app they use more.

    Finally, the "needed apps" change to fluidly for this method of forced app development. It also requires cooperation, and multiple times we have seen these developers refuse to play in the past.

    The real question is what if anything will be different? The only difference I hear is less marketing and lower market share. Good luck with that plan. It sounds like MS is letting the platform die or beta testing for something else.
    12-01-2015 05:36 AM
  20. KimRM's Avatar
    What universal apps come from the PC? My experience is most are ports of existing phone apps. Universal apps so far are failing.
    You can't seriously expect the concept of universal apps to be a success when the 950 is the only device that runs W10M officially, and it's been out in the world for a couple of weeks only. It's way to early to call it a fail or a success.
    12-01-2015 06:03 AM
  21. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    What universal apps come from the PC? My experience is most are ports of existing phone apps. Universal apps so far are failing.

    The other thing to ponder is apps bring functionality. Continuum os like a built in app that maybe 10% of users would use on a regular basis. You can't sell a phone on gimmicks when even the majority of that 10% will miss some other app they use.
    Made me laugh!! Can't sell a phone on gimmicks?? The whole ethos of Samsung et al is Gimmicks!! Oh look, lollipop reinvented as marshmallow, so how do we sell more new devices when the OS is basically the same...Oooo me Sir...yes Johnny....lets convince people they need curvy screens, one phone with one curve so that their mates can rush out and get one with two curves, that way they won't realise the serious amount of bloat we install, how much info we gather and that the OS is once again the previous one with bug fixes that create their own bugs....
    MikeSo likes this.
    12-01-2015 06:17 AM
  22. MarkAllett's Avatar
    They only need to compile it over with a touch of a button. Yet, they still refuse. I question the motives of these developers. Are they getting paid not to? I don't know. It's a mystery.
    It's not a mystery. The problem with your statement is that your first sentence is a long way from being correct.
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    12-01-2015 06:20 AM
  23. cracgor's Avatar
    Lets instead take a beautiful, stable os that does all of the basic functions well, strip it of those basic functions make it crash, and keep the general look of things which the majority of users are resistant to. Yeah that plan is going well.

    The other phone oses have thousands of gimmicks that appeal to different subsets. You can pick your gimmick. You just need more than hello and continuum to give the diversity of experience that will cause a market shift. Gimmicks like continuum just help distinguish one Lumia from another. They don't cause market shift anymore than a curved screen makes an iPhone user jump to Samsung.
    MikeSo and Daniel Frankovitch like this.
    12-01-2015 06:25 AM
  24. Steve Thackery's Avatar
    Some people are getting mixed up about "universal apps". They are NOT apps that run on Windows, iOS and Android, as some seem to think. They are Windows apps that run on all form-factors of Windows: desktop, tablet, phone.

    As for porting apps from other platforms, Microsoft have already done a lot. With W10M they've deliberately abandoned the innovative UI of WP8.1, and essentially gone for an Android look-alike with live tiles (to my anger and deep sorrow). This was essential to allow easy porting of Android and iOS apps to Windows. They've also developed and released - free - two software development products specifically aimed at helping Android and iOS developers port their apps to Windows with the minimum of hassle.

    It's hard to see what else they can do, technically. Personally I think this strategy will fail - they'll have thrown away the one outstanding asset of Windows on a phone - the fabulous UI design language - and STILL won't get a significant number of apps ported across. In other words, I predict a lose-lose, but I so hope I'm wrong.
    12-01-2015 06:57 AM
  25. mvierling's Avatar
    The app gap got me as well. I just grudgingly switched to Android over the weekend after many years on Windows Mobile and Windows Phone. I got tired of my "smartphone" not being a smartphone. A real life example of how bad it was, was when I already upgraded last Saturday, I was at Costco when my brother asked "don't you have an app for Costco?" I replied that it wasn't available for my phone until I remembered that I now had Android. Same thing with Redbox, banking apps, and countless other apps that I now have access to. The thing is I really dislike Android OS, but I dislike not having the apps more.
    MikeSo likes this.
    12-01-2015 07:15 AM
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