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  1. njnbat's Avatar
    I am atleast relaxed now that its not just me who was fed up with app quality and unavailability issues.
    12-01-2015 12:01 PM
  2. Geo Hutchings's Avatar
    I have, months ago. They have not responded. You can't seriously think that makes a difference though? I do it because I need to let them know that WP users are out there, but I'm not stupid enough to think that my email makes a difference in whether they create an app or not. Only market share and/or Microsoft can do that.

    Are people missing the point here? This isn't about this one app. It's about the situation overall. This is just one tiny example. I personally could list dozens more, as I'm sure could others.
    Pff I mean try phoning them, or send a letter or find the person that lead the development of the app of twitter
    12-01-2015 12:04 PM
  3. jdawgnoonan's Avatar
    Pff I mean try phoning them, or send a letter or find the person that lead the development of the app of twitter
    Go to all of that effort for some free or 1 or 2 dollar app? I would just get a new phone and be done with it.
    12-01-2015 12:10 PM
  4. MikeSo's Avatar
    Go to all of that effort for some free or 1 or 2 dollar app? I would just get a new phone and be done with it.
    Especially since it wouldn't do any good.
    12-01-2015 12:20 PM
  5. donkiluminate's Avatar
    I fully understand. But jut for your info, I work on a big telecom vendor I can assure you that WiFi calling (VoWiFi) is indeed there on WP and it is just matter of Operator enabling it. The WM OS itself supports it.
    So in terms of say, the iPhone, is it just tmobile has enabled it?
    12-01-2015 12:22 PM
  6. BryceMD's Avatar
    So in terms of say, the iPhone, is it just tmobile has enabled it?
    What exactly is preventing you from using WiFi calling on Win10 mobile? Wasn't that even available on WP8.1? The settings are there.(Assuming the phone model itself supports it)
    12-01-2015 12:31 PM
  7. Ben Triplett1's Avatar
    The app gap doesn't bother me one bit. I support companies that support Windows Mobile, and I leave companies that don't. I just got the new 950 with AT&T and it's fantastic. I use Wells Fargo for banking, I threw my DropCam in the trash and picked up a Homeboy security camera system. I'm fully committed to Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile, and I go out of my way to support companies that provide apps for these platforms. Don't have an app for Windows 10 Mobile? I just move on.
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    12-01-2015 12:32 PM
  8. justreason's Avatar
    I want to say this thread is the most interesting thread I've read in awhile...

    I've owned the 900 and the 1520(still do and will use as a backup).. But the app gap hit me as well.. I was at ATT after trading in my nexus 6 on TMo for the 950 and the AT&T staff helping me get the phone tried to get me to buy an iPhone 6s+.. I told him the OS is better than IOS and Android.. I then showed him images from my 1520 and he was like but Microsoft is missing out on apps... I then went to check bank of America so I could buy some food and BoA sent the notification that it didn't work.. I was upset... Searched for Chase and forgot it was long gone..

    Luckily for my work it requires I carry my iPad at all times in which all apps I'm missing out on are available..

    This thread has me thinking about another Nexus or 6s+...
    12-01-2015 12:44 PM
  9. MikeSo's Avatar
    The app gap doesn't bother me one bit. I support companies that support Windows Mobile, and I leave companies that don't. I just got the new 950 with AT&T and it's fantastic. I use Wells Fargo for banking, I threw my DropCam in the trash and picked up a Homeboy security camera system. I'm fully committed to Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile, and I go out of my way to support companies that provide apps for these platforms. Don't have an app for Windows 10 Mobile? I just move on.
    This has been my philosophy too, but after a while it really starts to become hard to justify to myself why I'm paying so much for something that constantly makes me have to look for workarounds or feel like I'm not getting my money's worth. I'm not there yet, but I'm pretty close.
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    12-01-2015 12:46 PM
  10. metalb00's Avatar
    Hers did it after denim updated even...but it had a slow processor.
    maybe she had a defective phone, i got mine used nov '14 w the update installed i assume and never noticed any issues
    12-01-2015 12:48 PM
  11. cracgor's Avatar
    This has been my philosophy too, but after a while it really starts to become hard to justify to myself why I'm paying so much for something that constantly makes me have to look for workarounds or feel like I'm not getting my money's worth. I'm not there yet, but I'm pretty close.
    This.

    My job shouldn't be to make my choice of operating system useable through a lot of work. My phone is supposed to make my life easier. Going through all that trouble is not worth it.

    Seriously, someone thinks emailing developers will change the app gap? I'm just happy when I get a response that windows is not in their future plans. Most of the time they just push delete. Of we ask spammed them, they'd probably just setup an filter. They are software developers.
    12-01-2015 12:52 PM
  12. cracgor's Avatar
    maybe she had a defective phone, i got mine used nov '14 w the update installed i assume and never noticed any issues
    Aren't they all really defective in some level 😉
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    12-01-2015 12:53 PM
  13. metalb00's Avatar
    With a heavy heart I've just made the switch to Android. I bought a 6P last night, my first non-Windows phone. I was conflicted about leaving because I want W10M to grow, not shrink in share. I'm just one person, but if others have the same idea...what will become of W10M? I've had my HTC 8x (still running 8.0! Thanks, T-Mobile!) for nearly three years and enjoyed WP a lot. I wouldn't really say it was (just) the app gap that got me, but the fact that I just couldn't justify paying for a 950XL (that may or may not work fluently on T-Mobile) and an OS that just seems underdone right now. I will definitely be watching to see what happens in the future and will probably return if it gets better.
    the 950xl works on tmobile with no issues, took the sim from my nexus 6 and switched right over to 950xl booted the phone, synced my music and i was off. i do miss some apps like nzb leech, fallout shelter, credit union app and motorcycle tuning apps. but i dont use those much to begin with
    12-01-2015 12:55 PM
  14. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    This has been my philosophy too, but after a while it really starts to become hard to justify to myself why I'm paying so much for something that constantly makes me have to look for workarounds or feel like I'm not getting my money's worth. I'm not there yet, but I'm pretty close.
    That's the thing. I have come to terms with the app gap on my Lumia 640 because I like the phone so much, but it's the little things that may not bother the hardliners but begin to grate after a while. A good example was when my wife wanted to print a photo at an automated photo kiosk in Walmart. Whereas in the past you could simply use bluetooth or attach the phone like a storage device, now it won't even let you get anywhere unless you download an app. You can guess which two apps it give you the choice of!

    Like it or not, the world is slowly being clamped down to iOS or Android. Will universal apps change that situation? Perhaps but I really doubt it.
    12-01-2015 01:06 PM
  15. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    This.

    My job shouldn't be to make my choice of operating system useable through a lot of work. My phone is supposed to make my life easier. Going through all that trouble is not worth it.

    Seriously, someone thinks emailing developers will change the app gap? I'm just happy when I get a response that windows is not in their future plans. Most of the time they just push delete. Of we ask spammed them, they'd probably just setup an filter. They are software developers.
    Yes email is a thing because it's the least us users can do other than buying all Microsoft products with our money.
    A gesture matters, if I was a developer I'd definitely look into it if I'm getting like 10-15 emails a day regarding a windows version. Not every developer is looking for profit as a main reason to make apps.
    Instead of thinking "it won't do anything" we should think "it'd do something". Even if 1 in every 10 developers listen, it's a win and a change.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    12-01-2015 01:13 PM
  16. donkiluminate's Avatar
    What exactly is preventing you from using WiFi calling on Win10 mobile? Wasn't that even available on WP8.1? The settings are there.(Assuming the phone model itself supports it)

    I have wifi calling on my Lumia 925 with WP8.1, but on the 950XL and my 930 with WM10 I have not been able find wifi calling to enable it. If you or anyone else knows where to access it and enable it please let me know.
    12-01-2015 01:13 PM
  17. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    Emailing is the least we can do, even if 1 developer listens out if 10 it's a win.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    12-01-2015 01:13 PM
  18. Slovenix's Avatar
    Emailing is the least we can do, even if 1 developer listens out if 10 it's a win.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    I agree, people don't know how one single action can have multiple reactions.. :)
    12-01-2015 01:15 PM
  19. RhinoFreak's Avatar
    Also not all developers look for market shares and stuff before. Otherwise we wouldn't see all these free great apps in windows store.

    If I was a developer and I got even 5 mails a day asking for a windows version I'd definitely consider.
    Especially since Windows 10 mobile is right around and many new devices are launching on it. It's a great time to develop for windows 10 mobile.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    12-01-2015 01:19 PM
  20. asikis's Avatar
    The app gap problem seems to be getting better slowly. But what will make me leave WP behind is if Microsoft puts no effort into making their own apps just as great or better on W10M than what we find of theirs on iOS/Android. With W10M coming to fruition over the past year, it was understandable why Microsoft's WP apps were sub-standard. But if they don't hit home run with their apps within a few months after W10M's release then it's the end. If they don't care then fans will not care, EOM's will not care, carriers will continue to not care, and developers certainly will not care. Game over.
    This is exactly the most frustrating part with MSFT. Let me write about a very bad experience i just had today....I have a Lumia 830 with latest W10M build installed.
    My sister has a Lumia 635 with 8.1. She tried open an .xlsx file in her mobile but excel replied with error that file has protected work book. In her work PC she can open with out giving any password or anything similar. Then she calls me and reports me the issue. I ask her to send it to my mail to try open it from my 830. Unfortunately i also got the same error...
    Then I try to open from my work laptop and it opens directly, no issues. Then I try to open it from my HP stream 7, which i have office professional, and it also opens without any issues.

    Then I forward the excel file to my wife's mail that she has an iPhone 5S and I have the MSFT excel installed there. I try to open same excel file and it...............OPENS directly without any issues!!!!!!

    Now if this is not a terrible app gap then tell what it is!! This is totally bad way of business MSFT and office mobile team. They should just quit their jobs already today.
    I am user of WP from 2012 and have also worked on NOKIA mobile phones part for a year. I like WP and their unique features, like glance screen. I was about to buy a 950 during December. But after today incident I already have very strong second thoughts for staying on WP. It is obvious that MSFT does not want their product to succeed, end of story.

    And this is not the first time that MSFT apps work better to iOS that on WP (i don't know about Android but I have read same story there also.

    MSFT needs to do something really fast otherwise the story is lost....
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    12-01-2015 01:22 PM
  21. cracgor's Avatar
    Also not all developers look for market shares and stuff before. Otherwise we wouldn't see all these free great apps in windows store.

    If I was a developer and I got even 5 mails a day asking for a windows version I'd definitely consider.
    Especially since Windows 10 mobile is right around and many new devices are launching on it. It's a great time to develop for windows 10 mobile.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    The reason we have some of the apps like mytube or 6tag is because the actual companies won't develop. That only works until an app has to be made by the first party like a bank, airline, or even snap chat. Even if every windows phone user that actually cares about the platform emails every company...how many emails is that...100? 1000? They will still see the app statistics and abandon the OS after a couple of months. That is why we lose mint.com and others. They see how few people are using them, the work to update them and make the correct choice. Like Nadella, we should just let windows mobile die.
    12-01-2015 01:25 PM
  22. feereless's Avatar
    the chase mobile site works just fine btw. its not the prettiest thing, but it works.. the only thing you cant do is do the check deposit thing.. i guess thats what ATM's are for.
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    12-01-2015 01:42 PM
  23. editguy's Avatar
    Every post in every thread cracgor makes is negative about MS. Just go, you hate MS, we get it. Go troll somewhere else.
    12-01-2015 01:45 PM
  24. MikeSo's Avatar
    the chase mobile site works just fine btw. its not the prettiest thing, but it works.. the only thing you cant do is do the check deposit thing.. i guess thats what ATM's are for.
    This sums it up. Yes, we can do workarounds, with fewer features that are less useful. Instead of using an app on the smartphone we pay thousands of dollars for, like other smartphone users, we can go to the ATM. Woohoo! That's what the "app gap" is.

    Most of us put up with it because the OS has been a pleasure to use. Many of us are starting to think it's not worth it.
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    12-01-2015 01:47 PM
  25. douggrif's Avatar
    Regarding the lack of banking apps on Windows 10, thanks to SafeSchoolsCzar comments on simply pinning the web page! Works like a champ. I also miss Stitcher but I have managed to pin all those podcasts too. I also would like to have the Olive Tree Bible available on Windows 10 mobile but I have that on my laptop and home computers. Unlike a lot of folks I am moving over to Windows 10 mobile for the great hardware (Lumia 950XL) best camera, and great OS. I am enjoying finding workarounds to what I was use to on the Samsung Note 4. So far, so good, thanks for all the great forums,
    Last edited by douggrif; 12-01-2015 at 01:51 PM. Reason: addition
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    12-01-2015 01:47 PM
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