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02-12-2016 03:59 PM
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  1. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    I asked if they would support WP for our local city app (emergencies, taxes etc). Their response:
    I have passed your request to the vendor that creates and maintains our app. The response was that unfortunately there is not enough of a market for a Windows App to make it worthwhile to build. As per this linked article experts are pronouncing the Windows phone dead.



    Windows Phone is dead | The Verge

    Oh boy... They are quoting the Verge.
    02-06-2016 01:46 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    02-06-2016 01:53 PM
  3. etphoto's Avatar
    That's okay. Some cities give their residents lead tenanted water. They don't always make the best decisions.

    Sent from my Surface 3
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    02-06-2016 02:08 PM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    I suppose I can't blame them.
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    02-06-2016 02:10 PM
  5. chmun77's Avatar
    Not only your country I bet. WP is practically invisible to lots of other countries as well. A matter of time for MS to throw in the towel for WP.
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    02-07-2016 06:51 AM
  6. Bobvfr's Avatar
    If you had read the forum recently you would have seen several "Windows phone dead" threads.

    What you should have asked your local council is "Do you have any plans for a Windows universal app" that will run on millions of PC's and phones, or is your IT dept so far out of sync that it doesn't know about the changes that have happened at MS/Windows.
    02-07-2016 07:02 AM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    I suppose I can't blame them.
    Especially when Microsoft doesnt seem to care to refute those claims, not a peep out of them to reassure users and partners, in stark contrast to their swift response to the NFL surface issue.

    And as for the millions on a PC, that's what a web browser is for.....
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    02-07-2016 07:52 AM
  8. Bobvfr's Avatar
    So MS have just wasted their time bringing out Windows 10 and coming up with universal apps and all that goes with it..............

    Seeing as we have plenty of these threads can this one be closed please.
    02-07-2016 09:26 AM
  9. theefman's Avatar
    Windows 10 stands on its own, it doesnt need an app store or universal apps that are still inferior to the complex x86 apps you can get. Prime example is their crown jewel Office isnt a universal app, doesnt need to be one, people dont want it as one and it'll take too much effort to make it one. Yet its still their best selling software.
    Sent From my SP3
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    02-07-2016 10:52 AM
  10. damonator98's Avatar
    I feel the same pain. None of my city app's made it to windows phone, but are available on android and ios.
    For example there's an app which alow you to store your public transport tickets in phone and you just show your phone to inspector, well not for me because I'm using wp. Also theres parking and other apps which doesn't exist in store and make paying for parking and other things really complicated. Having lumia in my country (not only my city) is like having brick phone or not having phone at all. I'm tired of all this. I just want apps. I don't want no soon, next year or "hey, you can live without this"... I just want to have a smartphone which can help me, not daily remind me that I'm f***ing dumbass who likes beatiful minimalistic os and wonderful nokia's design/craftmanship and chose to have distinctive phone. When will all this "app gap" sh*t end. Sorry, maybe there's to much feelings, not reality, but I'm just tired, angry cause of all this hopelessnes and I want things to change.
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    02-07-2016 11:21 AM
  11. chmun77's Avatar
    If you had read the forum recently you would have seen several "Windows phone dead" threads.

    What you should have asked your local council is "Do you have any plans for a Windows universal app" that will run on millions of PC's and phones, or is your IT dept so far out of sync that it doesn't know about the changes that have happened at MS/Windows.
    Problem is, why universal apps when a browser alone can do almost EVERYTHING than installing so many different apps for different tasks?? Universal apps look good on papers but impractical when comes to real world usages. With all these troubles, my IT dept will sure to say NO to such proposal.
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    02-07-2016 08:57 PM
  12. raycpl's Avatar
    Me thinks majority of WP users don't know how to pin a URL to the start screen... seriously!!!
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    02-07-2016 09:05 PM
  13. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Sure, understood.

    However.
    I think they should look at what MS is actually doing as opposed to reading an article. This is a city - base it on fact and research.

    Windows 10 has universal apps - they did not know about that....

    For 8.1 I get it- don't make an app...

    Of course if they attempted to contact MS - maybe there would have been some knowledge sharing. The city is 1.1 million people...

    I suppose I can't blame them.
    I did.
    Waiting for the response.
    Tablets, desktop computers, phone, what else. It makes sense to look at it. But they are to even aware of it!!!!
    Hoping to hear back.

    If you had read the forum recently you would have seen several "Windows phone dead" threads.

    What you should have asked your local council is "Do you have any plans for a Windows universal app" that will run on millions of PC's and phones, or is your IT dept so far out of sync that it doesn't know about the changes that have happened at MS/Windows.
    No this thread needs to be talked about.

    It is about a city not knowing what is going on and basing their direction on opinions of online articles, not fact. They should contact MS.
    They use SharePoint as their website and all the desktops are Windows....

    So MS have just wasted their time bringing out Windows 10 and coming up with universal apps and all that goes with it..............

    Seeing as we have plenty of these threads can this one be closed please.
    Last edited by xandros9; 02-07-2016 at 10:23 PM. Reason: merging posts
    02-07-2016 09:20 PM
  14. theefman's Avatar
    Also have to ask yourself, why does your company have so little knowledge about W10M, Microsoft has put zero effort into promoting their OS so should it really be up to individual companies to go and seek out information when they havent been made aware of it by the OS maker itself? Just another area Microsoft is failing with their mobile efforts, cant expect people to know about your platform if you dont advertise it....
    Sent From my SP3
    02-07-2016 10:29 PM
  15. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Wow, your city councils heard of smartphone apps?

    Mine is too busy trying to figure out who's easiest to blame for their latest budget overrun or other indiscretion. We don't have apps on any platform and the website is never updated.
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    02-07-2016 10:46 PM
  16. anthonyng's Avatar
    and it's just an app, if the city is requiring you to use it, they should be buying you phones then... or just support a nice html5 mobile site for all :D
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    02-08-2016 09:41 AM
  17. Ian_Superfly's Avatar
    So MS have just wasted their time bringing out Windows 10 and coming up with universal apps and all that goes with it..............
    Yes, their time and our time is wasted for nothing
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    02-08-2016 09:45 AM
  18. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    If you had read the forum recently you would have seen several "Windows phone dead" threads.

    What you should have asked your local council is "Do you have any plans for a Windows universal app" that will run on millions of PC's and phones, or is your IT dept so far out of sync that it doesn't know about the changes that have happened at MS/Windows.
    I read such arguments often but for services like a local country/council - why does it make sense to have an app on desktop when their website is by far functional and feature rich for their customers on desktop?

    I am all in for UWP but if you think about it, it doesn't make sense for everyone to make a UWP if their website gets a really good amount of traffic anyway.
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    02-08-2016 12:23 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Windows 10 stands on its own, it doesnt need an app store or universal apps that are still inferior to the complex x86 apps you can get. Prime example is their crown jewel Office isnt a universal app, doesnt need to be one, people dont want it as one and it'll take too much effort to make it one. Yet its still their best selling software.
    Sent From my SP3
    I love how people compare UWP to x86 apps. What does that even mean? UWP are...... x86 too!. The only difference is the API they are using. An API that has been used for so long that it has built up a huge app base as a result. Now, UWP API is pretty capable and MS is developing it so that all the capabilities of w32 will be available. Tomb Raider is a perfect example of the misunderstanding of how much better w32 is. It's not, it's just been around forever and everyone is stuck on how much better it is. Well maybe it still is better in some ways but I'm sure MS is working on it.

    And for those who claim everything can be done in browsers. You never really want to rely on everything to run off 1 app. Memory, cpu optimization, security, everything comes into play. Furthermore, all the people that are stuck on the old model of doing things are also old timers who have been using it this way for years. Young people, the future, they want apps. I prefer apps. I have several apps that free up my browser tabs and run way better than in my browser and i'm happy with it. And w32 will be phased out, there's no question about it. It's really about how long it will take for it to happen and that's really up to MS. They need to get everyone on board and provide the tools to make things easy.

    If I were to say where MS needs to put most of their resources, I would say w10 desktop and visual studio. Mobile they can take more time as they aren't going to get a commanding market share any time soon, not until they can actually make it a viable alternative. The only way to do that is to eliminate all the barriers developers face when creating apps/games. The programming language should not be your crutch to get into a certain market. You should be able to get into all markets using the language you know best and not have to learn a new language which you have less experience in and may provide a less optimal app as a result.
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    02-08-2016 12:28 PM
  20. anthonyng's Avatar
    Furthermore, all the people that are stuck on the old model of doing things are also old timers who have been using it this way for years. Young people, the future, they want apps. I prefer apps.
    Did you just call me old?

    We're going to have to settle this the Canadian way, I'll beat you up then we can go for some beers :)
    02-08-2016 10:39 PM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    And for those who claim everything can be done in browsers. You never really want to rely on everything to run off 1 app. Memory, cpu optimization, security, everything comes into play. Furthermore, all the people that are stuck on the old model of doing things are also old timers who have been using it this way for years. Young people, the future, they want apps. I prefer apps.
    1. I use more than one browser.

    2. Uhhhh, I'm a young person and while I like the idea of Universal Windows apps I just don't use them nor do I remember to use them. Web browser for everything. Office and advanced things for everything else.
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    02-08-2016 11:29 PM
  22. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Did you just call me old?

    We're going to have to settle this the Canadian way, I'll beat you up then we can go for some beers :)
    Maple syrup chugging contest! I'm not young either. I do however like to adapt to new tech and get excited. The app model is exciting for me. I have twitter, reddit, facebook, readiy for news all running as separate apps. I get the notifications, I can reply inline. Everything is great. It helps me minimize the amount of tabs I have. I don't really close tabs like I should so they build up quite a lot and finding stuff becomes a mess haha. But at least these I can quickly load up and I get what I need.

    And Xandros9, exactly what you said. You don't use them nor remember to use them. It's ingrained in our heads to use browsers. And that's really what I mean by old timers. People who have always run things that way. Younger people are used to apps because that's how they have always run things. They came during the app revolution.

    So yah it's really about habits when I mention old timers. Just like when windows 8 came out and messed with our habits. The start button was frustrating. It took me ages to adapt and even then I still would get confused at times because it's so ingrained in my head. But now I have my start button efficiently setup with different groups. It's just so quick for me to launch what I need.

    Though I must say having a scrollable smaller start button is much easier to navigate then a wide start with apps. It seems once it goes really wide it becomes confusing at times. But if it's a single row I'm good with it. I guess that's due to my use of windows mobile, who knows.
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    02-09-2016 09:52 AM
  23. speccy's Avatar
    Even my daughter's primary school has a Windows phone app!!! There must be next to no cost porting the Android/IOS version as otherwise they wouldn't have it. Schools have no money these days (at least in the UK), so if it was going to cost them, they wouldn't have bothered, or maybe they know the value of being able to reach nearly 100% of the parents and considered the money to be well spent.

    My point is, if a school can afford this, then money can't be the only factor here.
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    02-09-2016 10:04 AM
  24. Francisco_dAn's Avatar
    Have you actually SEEN the web sites created by most municipalities? Either they have the same design as 1980's BBS's or they are a congested hodgepodge of every city service with no design aesthetics what so ever. City web apps would actually make their lives easier but unfortunately they sign on with app firms that have no experience with Windows Phone what so ever.
    02-09-2016 03:41 PM
  25. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Well the city responded back after I mentioned Windows 10 and universal apps.

    Their response was, until the market share increased - there would be no app for WP.

    You can't fight city hall....

    Or get them to listen...
    02-09-2016 07:02 PM
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