But while we are at it we should start a campaign to get app developers onboard as well.
There is a website doing that already...check it out...
http://wishapplist.com/en
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But while we are at it we should start a campaign to get app developers onboard as well.
Gonna start it, Suggest a suitable title and some ideas, i can correlate them and have it ready
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Windows 10 Mobile availability for Xiaomi, One Plus, and other OEM devices
*sigh* The anniversary was a couple weeks ago. It came up on my calendar and seeing it stabbed at my heart. :crying:
Yeah. I'm disappointed to see the results in Alcatel OneTouch Fierce XL and Coship Moly X1 forums. A few trying, not many cheers and quite a few jeers.
Honestly, I was happy with both my BLU phones. For budget devices they did alright by me. And I made sure to get in the forums and cheer-lead for them.
Lumia has dominated this platform for so long too many are blind to the alternatives at this point. Are we even capable still, as a user group, to provide enough sales for multiple OEMs on a world stage? Or will it be increasingly regional offerings like the Fierce XL and the Nuans Neo?
I'm not blind. I see them. I simply just don't want them and it seems that way for most Lumia fans.
I'm not blind. I see them. I simply just don't want them and it seems that way for most Lumia fans.
Go ahead if you are sure of it...but make sure you have the resolve to keep pushing for it and let more people know about it here. Many petitions have tanked within days because the petitioner didn't dedicate enough time and energy to the cause.
Nah I'm good. Bring me the next Microsoft phone. I really don't want android rehashes and I like Lumia camera and apps.
That's a good point. Lumia firmware is a huge value added package.
OEMs that want to enter this space need to spend time and $ on their firmware, not just take the free to 6" and under devices OS, tweak it to work on the hardware and call it a day.
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Users expect and deserve niceties. At this point in the game, most OEMs "skin" Android. They should do the same with W10M if they want to succeed with this audience.
Is it even possible for OEMs to "skin" Windows 10 Mobile?
I agree that the OEM skins and launchers are a huge factor in the myriad Android devices available. I doubt if there would be nearly as many Android devices available if stock Android were the only option.
Thanks!Having seen the difference first hand between the likes of L520/521/635/640 and BLU Win HD/Win HD LTE + reading here about OneTouch Fierce XL, One (M8) Windows, etc... And having been on Android for awhile with a few different phones and a couple of tablets + using my wife's Android choices...
I have no problem answering yes, W10M and WP can be skinned...
There are AOSP and Factory ROMS and there are overlays like TouchWiz, Sense and others. They may add a bit more or less to the UI, but their main focus is "value added" Apps, Features and Settings. Whatever changes the Android OEMs are making, it is mostly cosmetic in terms of User Interface. Samsung has the same Home "Pages," App Drawer, Icon Tray, and pull down Notification/Settings window shades as a Nexus. Recognizably so. It's really only in the 3rdy party developer world of custom tweaks and ROMS that users deviate into areas that might be considered significantly divergent. Android has certain "standards" that they promote in terms of UI and I've not seen OEMs getting too far away from that. Even with in-house forks.
In that respect, running a BLU Win HD LTE is like the WP 8.1 version of a bare bones AOSP ROM. Or by all accounts I've read, a Fierce XL or Coship Moly X1 is the AOSP equivalent for W10M. Lumia Firmware is a skin, make no mistakes about it. It always has been an additional layer on top of the OS to provide "value added" Apps, Features and Settings. Lumia Firmware is no more of an Operating System than TouchWiz. Some mistake TouchWiz for Android and Lumia for Windows Phone. They are the same thing, in essence. A "skin" so readily recognizable and identified with an OS that they have become synonymous with the OS in the minds of many consumers.
Not every cola is a Coke, but Coke is synonymous with cola.
Not every Windows Phone is a Lumia...
There is room here and now for an OEM or three to put their own additional layer onto the W10M OS and come up with something value added, rather than bare bones.
I understand what you're saying. The major difference is that some Android OEMs deviate rather drastically from stock Android or even other OEMs. For example, EMUI completely abandons the app drawer, and the EMUI icons resemble those of iOS.IMHO, they are distinct in part due to cosmetics. They change how the various UI elements display, not how they function. Navigation remains pretty uniform. Home pages, App trays, etc. They add "a certain look" but stay within Google design guides for how the User Interfaces with the OS. Most significant differences are not UI related outside of a "theme" that is superimposed. They are added settings, features and Apps that yield a differing UX (User eXperience).
I'm not convinced our points are at odds here. Lumia never diverged on UI and they added little in terms of "a look," yet they significantly changed what is delivered in terms of UX by expanding settings, features and Apps.
UI is a major function and dictatorial element of an OS. UX is where Firmware extrapolates from and builds upon OS and this is the meat and potatoes of an Android "skin". It may or may not be dressed up in a "look" which is akin to a theme.
Here...here...UI is a major function and dictatorial element of an OS. UX is where Firmware extrapolates from and builds upon OS and this is the meat and potatoes of an Android "skin". It may or may not be dressed up in a "look" which is akin to a theme.
Here...here...
It's good to be a Windows/Lumia purist.
It's also good to see Windows on something other than Nokia/Microsoft Lumia phones.
Skinned versions would be very interesting.
It would be great to see the UI jump out of the screen and come at the user in an artful way.
Staring at the 8.1 screen became tiresome because of how flat it had become.
Microsoft of course has hit the bump (again) scrambling to redesign the OS (forced by fans)
The one greatest nicety for me that WM10 offers now is that it's much more customizable.
Perhaps that's a lightweight feature yet it was important since I change screens often.
Maybe skinned versions would be a good path and allow the OS to spread it's wings.
Delayed updates, performance issues, etc etc