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  1. Guytronic's Avatar
    Isn't Alcatel a budget phone company like BLU?
    Mine sure is :P

    I was thinking of the new rumored "Super Phone" from Alcatel running Windows.
    Forgot it's proposed designation.
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    03-30-2016 11:39 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I was thinking of the new rumored "Super Phone" from Alcatel running Windows.
    Forgot it's proposed designation.
    Funky Unicorn?
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    03-30-2016 11:41 PM
  3. cracgor's Avatar
    I really think there best effort is to just making their current services the best (W10, Office, Xbox, cloud computing) and work on developing some future innovation that will be hard to live with out. They should abandon their offerings that they don't have any traction with like Windows Mobile like they did the Kin. Windows Mobile's updates 7 to 8 to 10 have been about as good as the transition of Zune to Groove.

    This site can sometimes take bad news and turn it into a Windows Mobile is NOT Dead article. Windows as a Services (or WaaS ~ silly acronym) does not mean that W10M or W10 are not OSes. It means that you have to pay a subscription for everything now instead of just owning the software. The WaaS also means you don't have to own a Windows Phone to participate across the ecosystem...you can do just fine on Android or Apple.
    03-30-2016 11:42 PM
  4. Guytronic's Avatar
    Funky Unicorn?
    That's it!
    Tanx :)
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    03-30-2016 11:44 PM
  5. TechFreak1's Avatar
    I watched the keynote and wasn't there a Skype demo on Windows Phone?

    Granted it wasn't THE highlight, Hololens and the new "conversation platform" was as more and more people become accustomed to using their voice to do more. As well as becoming reliant on context sensitive services which brings Cortana to another level albeit in a limited number of countries.

    Hololens is the next BIG thing and they want to make sure it gets a healthy start so by the time consumers get their hands on one it already has a rich ecosystem. Along with ensuring Windows stays relevant within the Developer community going forward.

    Finally, there is the quick preview off the xbox 1 controller connected to a display dock:

    www.windowscentral.com/hands-windows-10-mobiles-upcoming-xbox-controller-support
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    03-31-2016 06:53 AM
  6. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    You really can't blame MS for not mentioning their own platform. It's like bringing a corpse to a party.
    03-31-2016 07:05 AM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    I watched the keynote and wasn't there a Skype demo on Windows Phone?
    Reports are that it was a simulation. It was actually the desktop Skype app transposed on a Windows Phone. I wasn't watching closely enough to notice, but others caught it.

    Here is part of a thread from Reddit/r/windowsphone that talks about it.
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    03-31-2016 08:26 AM
  8. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Reports are that it was a simulation. It was actually the desktop Skype app transposed on a Windows Phone. I wasn't watching closely enough to notice, but others caught it.

    Here is part of a thread from Reddit/r/windowsphone that talks about it.
    I saw it and what are you trying to say it was being run over remote desktop?

    Also what version of the skype desktop app?

    Without concrete facts I would personally be skeptical of such remarks and reddit isn't a viable source - nothing is without concrete and undeniable facts.
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    03-31-2016 10:32 AM
  9. chuckdaly's Avatar
    The platform is not DOA
    You don't have to lie to make friends.
    03-31-2016 10:55 AM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    I saw it and what are you trying to say it was being run over remote desktop?

    Also what version of the skype desktop app?

    Without concrete facts I would personally be skeptical of such remarks and reddit isn't a viable source - nothing is without concrete and undeniable facts.
    I have no idea. I do not use Skype, so I do not even know what the desktop app looks like, or the UWP app, or the mobile app. I'm simply passing along what I'm reading. I did use the disclaimer, "Reports are..." Go ahead and check it out yourself.

    It's not like simulations are never used in demos.
    03-31-2016 11:04 AM
  11. Krystianpants's Avatar
    For the record, I'm not saying I agree with that view! I'm saying that Microsoft might think that.

    Looking at it realistically, throughout the keynote HoloLens, Xbox, and IoT were often mentioned as part of the Windows 10 Platform. Mobile wasn't.
    The 950/950 XL were made for the "Fans" as this has been stated many times. I can tell you that MS will improve continuum features for these phones and other things, but the real focus will be on their spring lineup of phones that are supposed to be their big push into "mobile". And I do put quotes on it because it does not necessarily mean a plain phone, it could be a more advanced 2-in-1 with superior continuum. And of course everything before it will just be there and can get the apps. Likely a lot of phones won't be able to take advantage of many new features.

    So for the fans is sort of like saying "here's something to hold you over while we make the real stuff". And that's just what they did. Why do you think they don't care that 50% of the devices won't get windows 10? They will only care about their future spring line up. And any phones with continuum. the 950/950xl is also being used by them to collect data on continuum to make the OS better. They know that fans are more likely to join the insider program. It also gives them some relevance in the mobile segment. But as the shares dwindle their expectation is to create new categories like with the surface line.

    I sort of regret buying the 950xl. The push for features for continuum is way too slow. Summer is a long time to wait to get a few features. And I think build does need to push continuum. It's an interesting features, and if that's where their future is going it should be mentioned. A lot of apps can be deployed for mobile/desktop but they won't support continuum by default. So while I have a lot more apps in continuum, i'm still forced to RDP as not all my apps are available nor do I have good alternatives.
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    03-31-2016 12:22 PM
  12. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Mine sure is :P

    I was thinking of the new rumored "Super Phone" from Alcatel running Windows.
    Forgot it's proposed designation.
    Ah that'll be the Alcatel Idol 4 Pro.
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    03-31-2016 02:07 PM
  13. midnightfrolic's Avatar
    Misdirection is a magician's bread and butter.

    I wouldn't say there's absolutely zero mentions. It's just misdirection. Continuum works on Windows 10 Mobile last I checked. There's mention of more development for Continuum (e.g. XBOX ONE game pads working in Continuum, mutitasking). UWP. Project Centennial? Maybe all this work is to improve on Windows 10 Mobile and we're just seeing the bigger picture. A lot of this stuff are more for developers and backend stuff. MS is catering to developers to have them develop more stuff for the Windows ecosystem, which in turns helps their Windows Mobile platform also. As I see it, all this stuff works together and helps Win 10 Mobile. Hand-off feature ring any bells? Azure and OneDrive?
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    03-31-2016 02:40 PM
  14. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Sure it's not dead but lying in bed @ hope hospice . So sure it's not technically dead but barely alive with only hopes kinda like those in hospice all they have are hopes and prayers but most don't make it. Was a cna for about a year.
    03-31-2016 03:05 PM
  15. rocketboy's Avatar
    To be honest, in 2016 all the phones are more/less alike except to the diehards in the various camps. The point is that smartphones in their current form are a mature product at (or nearing) commodities except for maybe the highest end.

    No one but Apple or Samsung are making money. As much as it'd be nice to have more alternatives, there isn't much need relative to the cost save to satisfy us loud fans. What else could MS have done without having spent the billions on the Nokia purchase? The waste is staggering.

    I'm one of the "all-in-MS" people (WP, SP4, custom PC) but if MS doesn't do mobile again for a decade but when they do it's a complete game changer I'd be up for that. And I mean a real game changer. Like iPhone was in 2007. Anything short of that releasing yet another glass slab phone seems like a waste of resources. There's just no point. I hate the idea of only having Android or iOS, but my interest in phones as a gadget may have died with WP (yeah yeah not dead). If the next phone I get isn't WM then I'm just going to go with a commodity mindset and reserve my geek zeal for other things.
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    03-31-2016 06:23 PM
  16. Iain_S's Avatar
    do you think MS would invest so much in the continuum feature just to abandon it now, Mobile is just a part of the UWP now and people need to start understanding that, its not a separate entity anymore, its one brick on a wall from here out, So to answer your question, NO mobile is not dead.
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    03-31-2016 07:08 PM
  17. Jazmac's Avatar
    Tell me again that the platform isn't DOA?
    Because DOA means dead on arrival. If you mean is it a dead platform then say that.
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    03-31-2016 09:29 PM
  18. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    do you think MS would invest so much in the continuum feature just to abandon it now, Mobile is just a part of the UWP now and people need to start understanding that, its not a separate entity anymore, its one brick on a wall from here out, So to answer your question, NO mobile is not dead.
    I agree that the mobile platform isn't dead but continuum does reinforce the idea that they are going to concentrate on enterprise. Continuum, just like office on mobile etc. doesn't make sense for consumer products. Sure there may be the odd few here and there who will make use of it, but the vast majority won't have a need.
    libra89 likes this.
    04-01-2016 09:25 AM
  19. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    The platform is not DOA
    You are correct... it was dead BEFORE it arrived.
    04-01-2016 11:13 AM
  20. cracgor's Avatar
    The 950/950 XL were made for the "Fans" as this has been stated many times. I can tell you that MS will improve continuum features for these phones and other things, but the real focus will be on their spring lineup of phones that are supposed to be their big push into "mobile". And I do put quotes on it because it does not necessarily mean a plain phone, it could be a more advanced 2-in-1 with superior continuum. And of course everything before it will just be there and can get the apps. Likely a lot of phones won't be able to take advantage of many new features.

    So for the fans is sort of like saying "here's something to hold you over while we make the real stuff". And that's just what they did. Why do you think they don't care that 50% of the devices won't get windows 10? They will only care about their future spring line up. And any phones with continuum. the 950/950xl is also being used by them to collect data on continuum to make the OS better. They know that fans are more likely to join the insider program. It also gives them some relevance in the mobile segment. But as the shares dwindle their expectation is to create new categories like with the surface line.

    I sort of regret buying the 950xl. The push for features for continuum is way too slow. Summer is a long time to wait to get a few features. And I think build does need to push continuum. It's an interesting features, and if that's where their future is going it should be mentioned. A lot of apps can be deployed for mobile/desktop but they won't support continuum by default. So while I have a lot more apps in continuum, i'm still forced to RDP as not all my apps are available nor do I have good alternatives.
    To me a phone for the fans would be an awesome phone that is worth the money and has everything the fans can dream of. I really hate the idea that "for the fans" can mean something that isn't good enough for the general public that a fan will struggle to make work. It should be more than what the general public wants...not less.
    04-01-2016 12:39 PM
  21. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    To me a phone for the fans would be an awesome phone that is worth the money and has everything the fans can dream of. I really hate the idea that "for the fans" can mean something that isn't good enough for the general public that a fan will struggle to make work. It should be more than what the general public wants...not less.
    A price break is the least they could've done.
    04-01-2016 01:33 PM
  22. cracgor's Avatar
    A price break is the least they could've done.
    I think so...Hard to see the nexus phones for 100s less than the 950.
    04-01-2016 07:56 PM
  23. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    To me a phone for the fans would be an awesome phone that is worth the money and has everything the fans can dream of. I really hate the idea that "for the fans" can mean something that isn't good enough for the general public that a fan will struggle to make work. It should be more than what the general public wants...not less.
    I also have a hard time accepting that the 950 and 950XL were made for fans. What fans were these? I'm a WP fan and I never desired two bland overpriced flagship devices only available in black and white running a broken OS that resembles Android more than WP.
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    04-02-2016 06:16 AM
  24. TheZuneLune's Avatar
    I really think Continiuum will appeal to a very, very small audience. I am pretty devoted geek and I could care less about it. It will never run the full blown Adobe creative suite, so it will never replace my SP.
    libra89 likes this.
    04-02-2016 09:29 PM
  25. mikepalma's Avatar
    To me a phone for the fans would be an awesome phone that is worth the money and has everything the fans can dream of. I really hate the idea that "for the fans" can mean something that isn't good enough for the general public that a fan will struggle to make work. It should be more than what the general public wants...not less.
    I agree with you. But I wonder:
    Is it the hardware?
    Or just a crappy OS?
    04-03-2016 01:00 AM
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