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  1. wpn00b's Avatar
    Microsofts sales will blow up when people realize that live tiles are future?!? I tell you something. Look Sonys, LGs, HTCs... sales. Even Apple is going down. Now you suggest that live tiles will be the answer to take over the worlds mobilemarkets. You really should be sales and marketing manager in some big company. "We will made live tiles and conquer the world". That sounds more like Pinky and the Brain than solving real problems of MSs mobilesales.



    Look at the computers, Windows and Office in last two decades. What innovations you see? Only things that have been made are faster processors and more memory. Still they sell pretty well. MS have been selling same Win95 and same Office with very little developments, mainly cosmetic changes, year after year last two decades.

    Live tiles are not something new and innovative that will raise MS mobilemarkets. Neither are 3D touch or continuum. Hololens, maybe; but more likely they will be rolled over by VR-glasses.
    Fair points as to the current market, I'm just saying that the only company(in my opinion)that has provided anything new and interesting in regards to UI and form factor has been Microsoft. If people never realize how useful Live Tiles actually are then it will languish forever in obscurity. I however use them to great effect and think others would to if they gave it a chance. Most people have heard it sucks so don't use it but don't have first hand experience. Just like iPhone users and Android users hate the other but have never used it.
    RumoredNow and wmuser like this.
    04-29-2016 01:14 PM
  2. DancingDave's Avatar
    The reason why: VR is just a plain old video game that puts you in the middle of it, while the Hololens puts the game right there where you are. With Hololens you can safely walk around, without tumbling over chairs and other stuff that lays around on the floor.
    The problem with Hololens is that it is basically big vapor-ware at the moment. Microsoft today announced at Hannover Messe in Germany that the delivery time for the developer model is 18 months. So don't expect any finished consumer version until at least 2018.
    04-29-2016 01:41 PM
  3. luxnws's Avatar
    Universal means that it is the same everywhere. A phone, tablet, desktop, or laptop with the same system like Windows 10 means that what you do on one can be accessed from the others. I have a desktop with 10 on it and I use apps all the time for several different things that I usually do with my browser. I really like to read the news and having a news app gives me the same stories I would find on the Bing news in my browser. I use the browser a lot because I use Bing and I get rewards just for surfing the net.
    UWP is the acronym for Universal Windows Platform but is not always universal.

    Not all UWP apps run on all Windows 10 devices. For example, the Forza Motorsport 6 Apex beta is coming out soon and is a UWP app. It will run on the Windows 10 desktop. Will it run on a Lumia 950 running W10M? I doubt it.

    So UWP isn't necessarily universal.
    04-29-2016 02:16 PM
  4. Felipeicd's Avatar
    It seems like MS drop the towel with their own os, I'm from Chile (south America) and MS has completely left us behind, Brazil and Argentina was probably the only countries were windows phone was wining, they used to have over 13% market share .. and puff.. nothing, without saying anything, in latin America we haven't received a phone since the 830 a year ago. no marketing, no telling if we ever going to received a new phone or anything, just complete abandonment. I have to buy my 950xl from the outside and pay the shipment
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    04-29-2016 03:20 PM
  5. billy269's Avatar
    Yes, this irritates me. I think MS needs to require that all new app releases/updates are actually universal. When I am on my W10 PC and find an app I like it is really annoying to discover that I cannot use it on W10 Mobile.
    Felipeicd likes this.
    04-29-2016 03:21 PM
  6. Ray Adams's Avatar
    Yes, this irritates me. I think MS needs to require that all new app releases/updates are actually universal. When I am on my W10 PC and find an app I like it is really annoying to discover that I cannot use it on W10 Mobile.
    Nope. If Microsoft will push on developers they gonna loose all that 7 developers who are still with platform :)
    UWP is not yet truly UWP. But Microsoft is working on it
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    04-29-2016 03:30 PM
  7. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    Why is this blog still here Because MS VP Terry Myerson and MS VP Panay say Windows smart phones will still be made and sold to the Public
    and Businesses. in the last 3 years Millions of Folks have bought Windows smart phones. some will be updated to Windows Mobile OS some wont.
    the new Windows 10 Mobile OS is being improved. those People in the Windows 10 insider program are getting the newest features to test out before the General public gets it.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    04-29-2016 03:50 PM
  8. Felipeicd's Avatar
    Why is this blog still here Because MS VP Terry Myerson and MS VP Panay say Windows smart phones will still be made and sold to the Public
    and Businesses. in the last 3 years Millions of Folks have bought Windows smart phones. some will be updated to Windows Mobile OS some wont.
    the new Windows 10 Mobile OS is being improved. those People in the Windows 10 insider program are getting the newest features to test out before the General public gets it.

    Yeah... Like MS have never retracted of a decision before and fable is still going to happen
    04-29-2016 07:01 PM
  9. Ruster Kat's Avatar
    Zombie OS. Kept alive by unnatural means because MS doesn't have any other choice right now but to stay in this space. They have done all of this to themselves. Are you kidding me... 4xx, 5xx, 6xx, 7xx, 8xx, 9xx, 10xx, 13xx, 15xx? Simple upgrade path would have been nice! Should have been a 940/XL late in '14. The 950/XL should still be on W8.x while they work on Surface "neo-pocket PC" (there you go MS: "Surface Neo") and W10M for '17/'18. Build/maintain market share, however slowly. Support world markets where WP is more successful! Should probably even have been the plan to do Lumia 560, 660/XL and 960/XL on WP8.x for late '16, of course all built to handle W10M when READY for prime-time.

    Over and over again they keep tearing down everything and then trying to build from scratch, looking for a late-round knockout punch instead of doggedly pounding it round after round and just building on their good stuff. Even the possible "Surface Neo" phone device (with golden halo over head) will have a very tough road with no apps or mobile ecosystem. Even with Continuum, UWP, Win32 support, etc. People will still want mobile apps in '17 and now they have killed off more goodwill. They are destroying their remaining marketshare because the accountants want to 'blow out' the stock and there is little likelihood of being ANY improvement (probably will be much worse) in the mobile focused app department by '17. Perception is a M*****F****. Hope is not a product management strategy or engineering solution. With their clout and cash they could be at 5-10% - even maybe 15% - right now and would be looking really, really strong for 2017 and phone-enabled Surface devices. Too bad I'm not King of MS! ;-]
    04-29-2016 07:40 PM
  10. cmh238's Avatar
    I would hope that Microsoft is not going to stop windows mobile. I recently got a Windows phone and as others have said, I heard they were no good. Too complicated. Having used iPhone for a few years I was skeptical. I did purchase an Android phone first and although it was not bad it was just not impressive. After dropping it I decided to do what I originally wanted and got the Windows Phone from AT&T go phones. I was totally blown away that for 29.99 this phone really rocked and was solid. I think one of the biggest drawbacks is the lack of available apps that most users want on their phone. For instance my bank does not have an app that is windows compatible. My car ( Hyundai) came with Blue Link and there is no app for the car to remote start. However after playing with the phone this morning and switching the browser from mobile to desk top I was able to log into the site on my phone and could remote start the car from the website. I am finding that after a few years of being an Apple customer that I do prefer Windows over Apple. Working with photography is easier, adding email attachments is easier. Microsoft keep working on the product and get the message out there. I believe once people give it a try they will see Windows mobile is quite fun and easy to work with.
    04-29-2016 07:56 PM
  11. camptime's Avatar
    Keep here complaints about no banking apps. I think the American banks are just ****ty Look at Australian banks as an example we have an app from all the main banks even with our small population and small WP crowd. Hard to believe a country's banks don't support its own technology and people.
    04-29-2016 08:11 PM
  12. Tsarli's Avatar
    Hope is not a product management strategy or engineering solution.
    Well said sir, very well said. Well, it may be enough for the few fanboys left out there but for the wider population I think the current sales numbers speaks for itself.
    04-29-2016 08:13 PM
  13. dalydose's Avatar
    Well said sir, very well said. Well, it may be enough for the few fanboys left out there but for the wider population I think the current sales numbers speaks for itself.
    I love when these discussions devolve into "if you disagree with me, you're a fanboy". That's super productive...and original. /s

    The fact is that Windows Mobile isn't dying. There is still investment from Microsoft. There are still MILLIONS being sold. It doesn't matter that iDroid sells a lot more. MILLIONS are MILLIONS. Also, we were told ahead of time that the current offering was to placate current users/fans. The push to disrupt the market and change the paradigm of small form computing has been said all along to happen next year. None of us are in the position to predict the future, but 2016 is not the year to evaluate the future of Windows Mobile. They could come out like a startup with something new. If the AI/bot paradigm shift happens, then the app gap will matter a whole lot less because bots will be platform agnostic. Microsoft bought a major development tool in Xamarin and has already been working to make multi-platform development much easier. Banks are coming back into the fold. OEMs are already planning interesting things. Apple sales have started the inevitable decline. No one by Samsung make money in Android. There are a lot of variables beyond the market share crunch that wannabe MBA's like to cling to.

    This is going to be an exciting time. I'll be rooting for Microsoft because I like their stuff and I think three major competitors is better than two.
    04-29-2016 10:21 PM
  14. Marconis4's Avatar
    I'm really baffled by all of this. I've been with WP since 2013 and I've seen it do nothing but grow, quite rapidly in fact...share price included. Put the app gap aside, that's a different matter. Look at all the features that have been added to the OS in just two years. For me it's been an incredibly exciting journey. I was on an iPhone for a year and the only excitement I got was from jailbreaking. I think THAT says a lot about what is "dead". Being on W10 with constant updates is like getting a Christmas present every week (or coal).
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    04-29-2016 10:27 PM
  15. Ruster Kat's Avatar
    IF small form computing paradigm shifts, I'll be back. IF bots negate the app gap, I'll be back. IF UWP jump-starts W10M apps, I'll be back. IF the iOS bridge produces tangible results, I'll be back. Multiplatform development can be made 'easy', but it still takes some (always limited) resources and a business case. I get the impression that MS is even having a hard time getting developers to buy into doing the (minimal?) extra work to put UWP apps on mobile. Like I said, perception is part of it.

    Market share is important to spur efforts from developers. Does a developer allocate resources to porting from iOS to W10M, or does a developer put those resources into constantly improving and competing in the iOS and Android markets that are now putting food on their tables? MS needed to make that decision easier and 10%+ market share would've helped. MJF recently stated that 80% of the MS contacts she talks to are on iOS or Android. Softies need to get stuff done too, and today and tomorrow people use apps to get stuff done. As far as the American banks go, when have they ever really given three chocolate cakes about their customers as people. They are only going to do what is necessary to compete against each other for business. They've tried WP apps and have crunched the numbers: not worth it. Now market share is declining and UWP or iOS bridge is supposed to make them eager to return?

    I'll be rooting hard for W10M because I do see what could be and I do vastly prefer the OS over the alternatives. But I will be cheering from the sidelines for now. Just like MS, I'm making a business decision, not an emotional one - the business is me getting my day-to-day stuff done.
    04-29-2016 11:23 PM
  16. onysi's Avatar
    Can we lock this thread already? It's always in the main page and each time I see it, it looks like am article that's just inviting haters. Windows phone already gets bad rep from other sites.
    Jeddic likes this.
    04-30-2016 01:26 AM
  17. Ivan05il's Avatar
    Yes, this irritates me. I think MS needs to require that all new app releases/updates are actually universal. When I am on my W10 PC and find an app I like it is really annoying to discover that I cannot use it on W10 Mobile.
    UWP can potentially run on all devices, but it's not for free, the developer should check that all APIs are available and very likely tweak the UI so it scales well on the phone's screen. It's an additional work some won't do or won't pay their developers for. It's still not such a hot market to justify additional costs.
    04-30-2016 06:08 AM
  18. Pritam Naskar's Avatar
    No it is not dying but it's dead already....and only Ms is responsible for this......phones with lower specs higher price....less marketing......are you kidding me?
    Why and why and why anyone will opted for an OS that has little number of apps and less number of mobile model?........in case of windows phone the choice is very less one or two.....
    04-30-2016 06:25 AM
  19. PhineasTD's Avatar
    It still cracks me up that this is a topic. Microsoft as a software firm MUST have a presence in the mobile market division and it'd be corporate suicide for them to not be there. Both Google and Apple continue to push their own OS's packed with features they design, have core software they themselves implemented, and have massive third party support. Microsoft isn't the software giant that it was in the '80's and '90's and other companies don't rely on their software as much as they use to (however their stock margins are steadily growing MSFT Advanced Charting - Microsoft Corp. - Wall Street Journal) so they must present and support some manner of device and maintain it. People don't scramble for the latest PC's like they used too, even laptops are losing ground to mobile devices like tablets and phones. How many people have fitbits, Apple watches, or other wearable technology? This is the direction tech is taking and Microsoft must be there to survive. Period.

    That said, the phone isn't their focus at the moment and understandably so. They've just invested copious amounts of capital in synthetic DNA (Microsoft to buy millions of strands of DNA for long-term storage | Daily Mail Online) for storage research, they've got Windows 10 floundering and being torn apart by critics, and the Surface performed less than expected; shock surprise that the phone has been back burned (Microsoft's Terry Myerson: Windows Phone is 'not the core' for its developer interest this year | Windows Central) for the moment. The firm is running in numerous direction so it's no surprise that they've hit snags along the way.

    Keep your eyes open and be patient...there are changes coming to the mobile division, albeit perhaps months or years away.
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    04-30-2016 09:02 AM
  20. Timbre70's Avatar
    A headless chicken.
    04-30-2016 10:47 AM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Can we lock this thread already? It's always in the main page and each time I see it, it looks like am article that's just inviting haters. Windows phone already gets bad rep from other sites.
    Our members want to discuss this.

    'Tis like the hydra. Strike this head off and two more will grow in its place.
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    04-30-2016 11:46 AM
  22. windowsrok's Avatar
    Flip to silence is gon from win 10 shame on you Microsoft
    04-30-2016 12:50 PM
  23. onysi's Avatar
    Our members want to discuss this.

    'Tis like the hydra. Strike this head off and two more will grow in its place.
    but its not dying, nor it will ever be. Microsoft will not submit and will not allow a two giants run mobile. Giving up mobile is like giving up gaming just because Nintendo and SOny are both in the lead. There's no way they'll give this up.

    /end of discussion. lets end this thread already.
    04-30-2016 01:14 PM
  24. Migi2015's Avatar
    With Intel cancelling Atom processors, W10 Mobile is dead, baby dead UNLESS they immediately shift towards ARM and forget about x86 crap. Nobody wants this stupid Continuum feature. We want powerful UWP apps, apps, apps.
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    04-30-2016 01:24 PM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    but its not dying, nor it will ever be. Microsoft will not submit and will not allow a two giants run mobile. Giving up mobile is like giving up gaming just because Nintendo and SOny are both in the lead. There's no way they'll give this up.

    /end of discussion. lets end this thread already.
    I understand your point. I agree. Microsoft isn't throwing in the towel no matter how many click-bait titles say the game is over.

    I can't envision that Android and iOS are all there will be in mobile ever. That's just shortsighted and unrealistic. Things change and evolve. I believe Microsoft is trying to evolve in a viable direction.

    Threads like this will continue as the tech bloggers won't let it go. We can't shut down all those blogs and closing this discussion off as a topic on the site is a disservice to the members who want to talk it to death and can't let it go because of what they read daily.

    As members who are tired of this FUD we have two basic tactics.

    A) Insert facts and reasoned arguments

    B) Pass on by
    04-30-2016 01:31 PM
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