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  1. cracgor's Avatar
    As it was already described in article series "Windows Phone is not dead", Microsoft is just going all in by giving OEMs some space for this year and while the OEMs realease their phones Microsoft will most probably try to polish Windows 10 for mobile as much as possible and with their "ultimate strats" try to make "boom" next year with rumored "Surface Phones".
    So releasing the 950, 950xl, 550, and 650 is opening up the market to OEMs how? Who in their right mind is going to buy an Acer Liquid Jade Primo--when you don't know that it will receive any firmware updates and the ever looking surface phone is about to surface?

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    04-24-2016 09:37 AM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    iOS/Android go hand in hand with apps lol.. That's the kind of appeal WP needs before we'll see the masses switching
    04-24-2016 09:51 AM
  3. ven07's Avatar
    So releasing the 950, 950xl, 550, and 650 is opening up the market to OEMs how? Who in their right mind is going to buy an Acer Liquid Jade Primo--when you don't know that it will receive any firmware updates and the ever looking surface phone is about to surface?

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    No he meant, MS will be toning down the production. Previously WP's made by Nokia/MS dominated the market, leaving very little room for others to maneuver.

    MS clearly said that they will be releasing less phones now. 3 phones aimed at each class (low/mid/high) and for the rest the OEMS can fill the gap with niche devices.

    Again.. The plans for a Surface phone are probably there, but we can't be certain that those phones will ever make it to the market.. We have seen this before
    04-24-2016 09:54 AM
  4. kaktus1389's Avatar
    1. 950, 950xl and 550 were according to my information released in 2015, not 2016, in this year just low-end 650 was realeased so yes for me that is opening market to OEMs for year 2016 as I believe not many are going to buy 950 and 950xl in the second half of this year.

    2. Probably Acer will advertise the phone more than MS did, and if I use your logic it is the same with previous Lumias and all other phones after all

    3. If MS is not going to launch any phones this year, other than 650 and as there was already an article here on Windows Central about the three variants of the phone coming next spring, that's one thing we can choose to believe or not to believe in, but if you do like the platform and are eager to see new phone, I believe you're going to believe in "Surface Phone" release next spring too.
    Last edited by kaktus1389; 04-24-2016 at 10:01 AM. Reason: Typing fast... lol
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    04-24-2016 09:55 AM
  5. ven07's Avatar
    I certainly hope not. I am looking to jump off the train that is android. My edge can't be sold soon enough. Ready to join the team.
    Which device are you looking to get?
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    04-24-2016 09:56 AM
  6. cracgor's Avatar
    No he meant, MS will be toning down the production. Previously WP's made by Nokia/MS dominated the market, leaving very little room for others to maneuver.

    MS clearly said that they will be releasing less phones now. 3 phones aimed at each class (low/mid/high) and for the rest the OEMS can fill the gap with niche devices.

    Again.. The plans for a Surface phone are probably there, but we can't be certain that those phones will ever make it to the market.. We have seen this before
    I just mean in 6 months they have released 4 phones. The vast majority of users left are fans and most will not want to use a third party hardware. So you are looking at 2017 for the current batch of phones to become dated enough to consider something else. This happens to coincide with the rumored surface phone.

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    04-24-2016 10:01 AM
  7. ven07's Avatar
    I believe you're going to believe in "Surface Phone" release next spring too.
    Agreed :D But this might be my last stop on WP tho.. ordered a new phone, but recently users have been reporting issues with upgrading to the newer builds (RS) so mi thinks, MS might be dropping a few more phones off the supported list soon...

    If the surface whatever doesn't wow me or surpasses my budget, I might look at the 950, since the camera is decent enough, otherwise.. Nexus/LG might have a new customer hehe
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    04-24-2016 10:01 AM
  8. Roberto Velazquez R's Avatar
    At least we will not see new UWP app or updates,not even from Microsoft,they are busy developing apps for Androids and IOS,what we are going to see are several new builds,lets wait for 2017 if WP is still alive
    04-24-2016 10:03 AM
  9. ven07's Avatar
    I just mean in 6 months they have released 4 phones. The vast majority of users left are fans and most will not want to use a third party hardware. So you are looking at 2017 for the current batch of phones to become dated enough to consider something else. This happens to coincide with the rumored surface phone.

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    Agreed. Mostly fans left now and people who have no need for apps; just camera/texting/calls :p

    Most of the midrange devices I liked will probably never hit the US market. Ebay might still be an option lol

    But I made the same point previously (different thread). Fans won't want to buy anything another OEM is offering.. unless there really is no other choice
    04-24-2016 10:04 AM
  10. kaktus1389's Avatar
    Agreed :D But this might be my last stop on WP tho.. ordered a new phone, but recently users have been reporting issues with upgrading to the newer builds (RS) so mi thinks, MS might be dropping a few more phones off the supported list soon...

    If the surface whatever doesn't wow me or surpasses my budget, I might look at the 950, since the camera is decent enough, otherwise.. Nexus/LG might have a new customer hehe
    I wanted to get the 950 or 950 XL but I am low on a budget a bit and my old 630 was really iritating me and I smelled that 512 MB of RAM won't be a good thing to have so I bought 640 XL at the end and I am satisfied with it, though I might go with "Surface phone" if it comes next summer and the cheapest variant will be relatively good and will support Continuum :P
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    04-24-2016 10:05 AM
  11. kaktus1389's Avatar
    Agreed. Mostly fans left now and people who have no need for apps; just camera/texting/calls :p

    Most of the midrange devices I liked will probably never hit the US market. Ebay might still be an option lol

    But I made the same point previously (different thread). Fans won't want to buy anything another OEM is offering.. unless there really is no other choice
    You sure nobody will buy HP Elite x3? :P
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    04-24-2016 10:06 AM
  12. ven07's Avatar
    At least we will not see new UWP app or updates,not even from Microsoft,they are busy developing apps for Androids and IOS,what we are going to see are several new builds,lets wait for 2017 if WP is still alive
    I think your letting your frustration get the best of you :) There are different teams for the different platforms :) the others don't work with beta software. I'm stuck on TH builds and I've still been seeing updates to camera/office apps/groove etc
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    04-24-2016 10:06 AM
  13. ven07's Avatar
    You sure nobody will buy HP Elite x3? :P
    Lol valid point!
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    04-24-2016 10:23 AM
  14. Demian Mioc's Avatar
    Windows Phone/Mobile is in the same, well almost the same position as Blackberry two years ago, or even Symbian. But I think that MSFT can pull it on because of seamless integration and support of various services and devices, something that Blackberry didn't have. But if they don't pull that off, then we would most likely see some Microsoft "Priv", with the possible Cyanogen modification in the following years.
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    04-24-2016 10:30 AM
  15. stuartbritt's Avatar
    I have to say, I really like the look and feel of my 950. With the brown leather mozo back, I can't think of any other phone I prefer the look of. App gap is real, but only a minor inconvenience for me as I have pretty much everything I personally need.
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    04-24-2016 10:50 AM
  16. ven07's Avatar
    I have to say, I really like the look and feel of my 950. With the brown leather mozo back, I can't think of any other phone I prefer the look of. App gap is real, but only a minor inconvenience for me as I have pretty much everything I personally need.
    Not trying to change the subject, but that avatar made me laugh :D
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    04-24-2016 10:53 AM
  17. gm08's Avatar
    Well, thay have to make it work, as if it fails, the whole OneWindows would fail.
    I really like to believe that they are working to catch (or create) the next wave, which is the smartphone as a PC. But nobody knows for sure, we have to wait and see...
    04-24-2016 11:31 AM
  18. permo's Avatar
    Hi ven07;

    Is it a problem for your intelect that someone like something; even a windows Lumia 950? Stuartbritt is not alone and for myself I can join in that matter. I am very fond of my Lumia 950XL. I am a it- pro and my phone is used as my daily driver. It does't mean that all is OK but after the last update (328) it is working a lot better and no stop or crach has been discovered at all. I am a owner of both Android- and IOS- phones. I can tell you an example of the force and strenght of my WM phone: Yesterday I was on a visit and we discussed some problems conserning NAS and I wanted to show them some "whitepapers" from Synology. We had a big TV- screen and I took my 950XL up from the pocket and activated the Continuum app and showed them on the TV screen via the Miracast system. With my 950XL I showed the whole bunch of people a presentation that almost took their breath away!
    04-24-2016 12:00 PM
  19. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Is windows mobile really dying?
    Yes. It really is. Reason: Group Think.

    For years, this has been in the "press." How Windows Phone is behind. App Gap and you. Marketshare. On and on. Tech journalism has embraced the death of Windows phone overwhelmingly since the beginning. Perception of insurmountable difficulties has thrived.


    Is windows mobile really dying?
    It isn't really. Not in the same sense as Symbian is dead, webOS is dead, BB OS is dead.


    Look for this bird:









































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    04-24-2016 12:35 PM
  20. ven07's Avatar
    Hi ven07;

    Is it a problem for your intelect that someone like something; even a windows Lumia 950? Stuartbritt is not alone and for myself I can join in that matter. I am very fond of my Lumia 950XL. I am a it- pro and my phone is used as my daily driver. It does't mean that all is OK but after the last update (328) it is working a lot better and no stop or crach has been discovered at all. I am a owner of both Android- and IOS- phones. I can tell you an example of the force and strenght of my WM phone: Yesterday I was on a visit and we discussed some problems conserning NAS and I wanted to show them some "whitepapers" from Synology. We had a big TV- screen and I took my 950XL up from the pocket and activated the Continuum app and showed them on the TV screen via the Miracast system. With my 950XL I showed the whole bunch of people a presentation that almost took their breath away!
    Mate I'm having a hard time understanding what you're trying to tell me :/ must be that "intellect" of mine

    In any case from what I understood.. I'm not against anyone who loves their device! If any of my comments sound like that, well that wasn't what I was aiming for.

    I fully understand that the 950 and XL are very powerful devices and I won't bash sth I don't own. I even stated that at some point I would like to get my hands on a 950
    04-24-2016 01:01 PM
  21. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    some people think Microsoft is crazy making smart phone / Pocket PC hybrids but really that'a a good place for them to go because most people buy
    Android or Apple iphone smart phones and apps makers are too slow to make apps for windows smartphones but are more interested to make apps the run on Windows 10 PC or Windows 10 Laptop or Windows 10 PC Tablet. Microsoft's New Universal Apps are the best type for smart Apps developers to make for Windows 10 devices because a good one will run on a Windows 10 mobile 5 inch smart phone , Desktop PC, Laptop Win 10 tablet or a Windows 10 serve on up to a 72 inch HDTV screen
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    04-24-2016 01:09 PM
  22. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I love Windows phone, but if you are waiting for Microsoft to save itself, well that is just not going to happen. Just look at their current crop of phones, boring, and blah, good hardware but very, very plain.But then they did say it was for the fans they were not going out of their way to impress anyone and it worked. You can say it till you are blue in the face that the APP gap does not matter and it does not really exist, but it does, all you have to do is use an Android or i-phone for a month download your banking app your local news, your favorite eating place app, then after the month go back to your Windows phone. Unless something really dramatic and life changing happens I see no way Windows phone can make it.
    It's funny how people online always talk about how "plain" these phones look. I'm not sure about the 950. But I constantly get people telling me how good my phone looks. It's the 950XL in black. And it does because it's all screen and has this stealth look as the black wraps around. The white one which I played with in the store does look horrible to me. It does not fit the phone well. It's that entire black look which mixes with the crazy amoled screen that makes it what it is. People look at the front of the phone more so than the back. But it kind of almost looks like what a computer would look. Nothing super fancy or shiny, just a nice screen. Say in the future they get to a point where you carry around just flexible screens of some sort. Is everyone going to say it looks plain? Windows 10 as an OS is gorgeous, if you make it look gorgeous. And that's part of what makes the phone. And that's why the focus was on the screen.
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    04-24-2016 02:35 PM
  23. ven07's Avatar
    It's funny how people online always talk about how "plain" these phones look. I'm not sure about the 950. But I constantly get people telling me how good my phone looks. It's the 950XL in black. And it does because it's all screen and has this stealth look as the black wraps around. The white one which I played with in the store does look horrible to me. It does not fit the phone well. It's that entire black look which mixes with the crazy amoled screen that makes it what it is. People look at the front of the phone more so than the back. But it kind of almost looks like what a computer would look. Nothing super fancy or shiny, just a nice screen. Say in the future they get to a point where you carry around just flexible screens of some sort. Is everyone going to say it looks plain? Windows 10 as an OS is gorgeous, if you make it look gorgeous. And that's part of what makes the phone. And that's why the focus was on the screen.
    Never held either of them, but the techie in me loves those screens!!!
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    04-24-2016 02:46 PM
  24. Jean Claude Lopez's Avatar
    It seems that windows mobile is having more and more problems to win some market share, I love windows mobile(and phone), but for some reasons it looks like fans love it more than even Microsoft does, we don't see almost any marketing trying to explain what they expect from the W10M future. I really hopes that the surface phone can change all this.
    For me the iPhone is dead, because I don't care for it. So yeah, for some WP is dead. So, what? It's selling for the fans.
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    04-24-2016 02:59 PM
  25. ScubaDog's Avatar
    Is Windows Mobile dying? I guess that depends on what you mean by "mobile". Windows smartphones are dead. Microsoft completely gave up on it when that fool Satya Nadella took over and got rid of all the INTELLIGENT PEOPLE THEY ACQUIRED FROM NOKIA. Their plan now is to focus almost completely on services and make THOSE 'mobile'. Or, probably more accurately, ubiquitous across all platforms. So, in that respect, mobile isn't dead, it's taken on a completely different paradigm.

    With that said, I've pretty much given up on Microsoft. I've gone from being one of their biggest cheerleaders to someone who simply feels Microsoft is the lesser of three evils--I despise Apple and Google and all their holdings with a passion unmatched in human history and I have nothing but disdain for anyone who actually LIKES them.

    I have grown up with DOS and Windows. I was an early adopter and fan of the PocketPC (I've had the iPAQ 3630, the Dell Axim X5 and X3i). I bought each of these the first day they came out: Samsung Focus, Lumia 900, Lumia 920, Lumia 1020. I reluctantly bought the Lumia 950 (biggest waste of $600). I enthusiastically tested Windows 8 as soon as they allowed us "common people" to play with it. And then....Windows 10/Windows 10 Mobile was revealed. The very first day I tested both I new I was never going to have faith in Microsoft ever again. It was disgusting by design. Microsoft PUKED over every thing I loved about Windows 8 and, as far as I was concerned, just caved to all the numbskulls who loved Windows 7 and insisted they go backward. That's the opinion I hold to this day.

    Microsoft has taken everything I started to like and then systematically destroyed it. The bought the devices division of Nokia and destroyed Lumia. They came out with the Xbox One with Kinect and then crapped all over it, destroying the interface and making the Kinect a useless piece of junk. Now our Xbox sits in our shed, the Lumia 950--which, despite a FASTER camera, still sucks compared to my 1020--sits on a charger, only being used to continue to test how much Windows 10 sucks with each subsequent build. So, for my household, we are sticking with WP8.1 and Windows 8.1 on all devices that really matter. Anything else using W10 is purely to continue to prove how much we hate it. Microsoft now sucks only slightly less than its competitors. Windows smartphones are dead, for all practical purposes. Windows "mobile" will continue on as nothing more than various services available anytime, anywhere. THAT is obviously their "mobile" strategy.
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    04-24-2016 03:12 PM
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