05-10-2016 03:51 PM
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  1. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    Tech journalists can't just work at a retail center instead of bragging about a platform they use on a phone they will dump in less than a year... These are the slow minds waiting for Windows to die out. Don't ever read their garbage.
    04-24-2016 04:30 PM
  2. kaktus1389's Avatar
    Is Windows Mobile dying? I guess that depends on what you mean by "mobile". Windows smartphones are dead. Microsoft completely gave up on it when that fool Satya Nadella took over and got rid of all the INTELLIGENT PEOPLE THEY ACQUIRED FROM NOKIA. Their plan now is to focus almost completely on services and make THOSE 'mobile'. Or, probably more accurately, ubiquitous across all platforms. So, in that respect, mobile isn't dead, it's taken on a completely different paradigm.

    With that said, I've pretty much given up on Microsoft. I've gone from being one of their biggest cheerleaders to someone who simply feels Microsoft is the lesser of three evils--I despise Apple and Google and all their holdings with a passion unmatched in human history and I have nothing but disdain for anyone who actually LIKES them.

    I have grown up with DOS and Windows. I was an early adopter and fan of the PocketPC (I've had the iPAQ 3630, the Dell Axim X5 and X3i). I bought each of these the first day they came out: Samsung Focus, Lumia 900, Lumia 920, Lumia 1020. I reluctantly bought the Lumia 950 (biggest waste of $600). I enthusiastically tested Windows 8 as soon as they allowed us "common people" to play with it. And then....Windows 10/Windows 10 Mobile was revealed. The very first day I tested both I new I was never going to have faith in Microsoft ever again. It was disgusting by design. Microsoft PUKED over every thing I loved about Windows 8 and, as far as I was concerned, just caved to all the numbskulls who loved Windows 7 and insisted they go backward. That's the opinion I hold to this day.

    Microsoft has taken everything I started to like and then systematically destroyed it. The bought the devices division of Nokia and destroyed Lumia. They came out with the Xbox One with Kinect and then crapped all over it, destroying the interface and making the Kinect a useless piece of junk. Now our Xbox sits in our shed, the Lumia 950--which, despite a FASTER camera, still sucks compared to my 1020--sits on a charger, only being used to continue to test how much Windows 10 sucks with each subsequent build. So, for my household, we are sticking with WP8.1 and Windows 8.1 on all devices that really matter. Anything else using W10 is purely to continue to prove how much we hate it. Microsoft now sucks only slightly less than its competitors. Windows smartphones are dead, for all practical purposes. Windows "mobile" will continue on as nothing more than various services available anytime, anywhere. THAT is obviously their "mobile" strategy.
    May I ask you what are things that you don't like on Windows 10 except the design? Just curious...
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    04-24-2016 04:56 PM
  3. cracgor's Avatar
    You sure nobody will buy HP Elite x3? :P
    Of course someone will buy it. I just think it is the same as a 950xl. Outside of the dumb laptop I don't know what differences there are. The dumb laptop is just extra hardware to carry around when I already have a core i7 laptop with touchscreen.
    04-24-2016 05:21 PM
  4. SvenJ's Avatar
    Of course someone will buy it. I just think it is the same as a 950xl. Outside of the dumb laptop I don't know what differences there are. The dumb laptop is just extra hardware to carry around when I already have a core i7 laptop with touchscreen.
    What does your core i7 laptop with touch screen weigh? Does it charge off your 950XL charger, or does it have its own brick? I don't know what HP's extender will weigh, or that it will use the same charger as the phone, but that is my expectation for this sort of accessory. If that weren't the case, I would just carry my Surface Pro, whose brick does have a handy USB charge port for my phone. Part of what will make this compelling is clearly articulated use cases for the kit. I have hopes HP will do a good job of this. Lord knows MS won't be doing it.
    04-24-2016 08:07 PM
  5. n m's Avatar
    For all intents and purposes WP is dead for the average punter. Maybe just maybe the corporate world will pick up WP and MS can end up with a miniscule market share but that is the best case scenario.
    Love my WP but lets face it, way to little, way to late. WP is a dead man walking.
    HD DVD died a quick death when it was in a far healthier state than WP currently is.
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    04-24-2016 08:18 PM
  6. badMojo69's Avatar
    No way in hell they will sell any OS they made. They'll put it in the vault with the Zune.
    04-24-2016 08:44 PM
  7. ClixT's Avatar
    In other words.. now we play the "waiting game"
    More like a "Loading..." game hahaha jk jk ;)
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    04-24-2016 10:17 PM
  8. cracgor's Avatar
    No way in hell they will sell any OS they made. They'll put it in the vault with the Zune.
    Is that the same or different one that houses the Kin and MS Bob?
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    04-24-2016 10:39 PM
  9. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    May I ask you what are things that you don't like on Windows 10 except the design? Just curious...
    He keeps waxing nostalgia over Windows Phone 7 like it didn't have its set of issues.

    Whatever.
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    04-24-2016 11:04 PM
  10. hasasimo's Avatar
    I don't know if I'm missing something here but how can "Windows Mobile" be dying when it is now the same thing as Windows on your tablet and PC? Wouldn't Windows 10 have to essentially be dead in order for phones running Windows 10 to be dead? Unless you're strictly speaking about Microsoft making its own smartphone hardware? Don't even see that completely ceasing in the near future.
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    04-24-2016 11:09 PM
  11. ven07's Avatar
    I don't know if I'm missing something here but how can "Windows Mobile" be dying when it is now the same thing as Windows on your tablet and PC? Wouldn't Windows 10 have to essentially be dead in order for phones running Windows 10 to be dead? Unless you're strictly speaking about Microsoft making its own smartphone hardware? Don't even see that completely ceasing in the near future.
    Need to call in the NSA.. you're too smart! hehe
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    04-24-2016 11:20 PM
  12. Bittah Pupil's Avatar
    If Windows Phone is dying, I'm sticking with it until the end and then will look to switch. For now, it does what I need it to do: call, text, MMS, GPS, some web browsing. I use very few apps. For others, many various apps are important so I totally understand their need to switch to another platform.
    04-24-2016 11:59 PM
  13. wibgyor's Avatar
    Sometimes I find it funny how some people are hell bent on proving that windows phone is dead. If its dead for you, good..if its alive for you, good..whats the fuss about.
    I am using a Lumia 1520 and I am excited by the path windows 10 is taking. If it catches up my stand will be vidicated, if not then I'll switch systems when its time to upgrade. As far as MS is concerned they are pretty clear they are not going to abandon windows mobile/phone whatever you wish to call it. "If no one else produces it, we will"- Satya Nadella.
    So sit back and relax. If you can't get your work done on windows phone because of lack of apps/functionality etc then you must invest into a system where your work gets done. After all that should be the priority. Every OS has some pros and cons that doesn't mean we start castigating people who are using a system we don't like. To each his own. Live and let live.
    04-25-2016 12:37 AM
  14. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    Everyone here has a valid point, and I put my 2 cents worth in, but it all boils down to one thing, We are the ones trying to kill it. Microsoft is doing everything it can to make it better, and we tear it down as fast as they build it. I would love all my local and baking app's to be on Windows phone, but I just pin the webpage and I'm good to go. But yes, we are the ones killing it.
    04-25-2016 02:01 AM
  15. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    All this bickering and all. I believe Microsoft can pull things together if they try. I know the Lumia 950 xl may look plain to so many people but to so many people it looks nice. Honestly I like the clean smooth look nothing fancy and so on like all the other phones out there that people go nuts over. Im enjoying the Lumia 950 XL with really good hardware and I got mine like 2 days ago granted there some bugs but name one OS in a real world that don't have no bugs?... Sorry to tell you but all OS have bugs and don't try to just say this or that doesn't cause no matter what they all do. After playing around with my Lumia 950 XL my first smartphone I ever paid for and well over 100 bucks and I have to say I am loving the device. Its a shame that devs don't see how good Windows Mobile 10 really is cause you know if there was a mid range phone of windows mobile 10 out there around the 300 bucks with good hardware even for gaming. I feel Windows Mobile 10 could deliver but it also need the developers and if they don't open there eyes and at least try then of course no one will come. Granted Microsoft could and should advertise more of what makes a Lumia 950/XL an awesome phone even if its not so catchy... Hell the first iPhone look ugly and honestly more ugly then the Lumia 950s but that just me. Point is with many of us here we all hope and want to see Windows Mobile become so much more and im sure it can as time goes on. People are just so suck into apple and android and both fight like cat and dogs beating each other of which OS is better. And honestly to me none of the OS are any better there is no Perfect Operating System in the world. Cause if there was. Then apple and android and windows would be screwed... All I can say is this.... Long Live Windows Mobile... It made it this far :D And its not giving up just yet. :)
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    04-25-2016 02:22 AM
  16. wgs84's Avatar
    Sometimes I find it funny how some people are hell bent on proving that windows phone is dead. If its dead for you, good..if its alive for you, good..whats the fuss about.
    Well said. I have a 640 with .218 installed. It still needs a little polishing, but I still remember what the very first builds were like, and W10m has without a doubt improved, and with the Anniversary update on the horizon, I think it's still worth using. But if I ever feel that W10m isn't cutting it for me anymore, I would just simply switch back to Android, and that would be that. No big deal. There's no need to pontificate about the switch.
    wibgyor likes this.
    04-25-2016 02:26 AM
  17. FlyHalabi's Avatar
    I know WP failed in the past, but to be honest, W10M is doing great now. Updates keep coming, they are listening to consumers, the system is usable now and responsive. What Microsoft is doing with publishing apps for iOs and Android is smart in my opinion. If apps are what makes te system, then they are on the right track, it will be easy for people to move to WP in the future when they see a lot of the apps they're using are actually native to WP10. After all, MS is a software giant. To sum it up, moving up slowly but steadily is way better than starting a large marketing campaign and then let a big number of people down... slowly but steady is the way IMO.
    Last edited by FlyHalabi; 04-25-2016 at 03:10 AM.
    04-25-2016 02:40 AM
  18. Tasha Jaiswal's Avatar
    I know WP failed in the past, but to be honest, W10M is doing great now. Updates keep coming, they are listening to consumers, the system is usable now and responsive. IMO.
    The problem lies here only. The OS is only responsive and usable and nothing more than that. For me Windows 10 mobile is not as fluid as WP8.1 I used windows 10 mobile for a very long time but then eventually got fed up with so many bugs, slowing down of phone and pathetic battery life. I did hard reset almost 3 times but nothing helped. I hope MS soon develops Window10Mobile so that it becomes as fluid as the WP8.1
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    04-25-2016 03:18 AM
  19. PrinceM's Avatar
    Whether it's dying or not depends on what Microsoft wants with the platform and how much they need to sell before they start making money. I don't think Windows on mobile will gain market share in the consumer market in the near future (a few years from now on). They need the popular apps (such as Snapchat), it's as simple as that. Hopefully Snapchat is dead in a few years.

    However, I do think that if MS starts pushing out a proper built phone with Windows x64 (or at least x86), then I believe they will gain market share in the business market. And I don't mean just the physical phone, I mean the complete package - from physical phone to the OS itself. The 950 XL could almost be there, if it were not for the bad build quality.

    Personally, I can't wait to use my phone as my laptop at work! And, to be honest, I do not care about any app if I can throw my laptop away and use my phone instead!
    04-25-2016 03:27 AM
  20. gm08's Avatar
    I Windows 10 as an OS is gorgeous, if you make it look gorgeous. And that's part of what makes the phone. And that's why the focus was on the screen.
    Do you mind posting a printscreen? :)

    I need some ideas to improve mine
    04-25-2016 03:55 AM
  21. CR35's Avatar
    I love my 950XL and W10M still feels as the next step in mobile computing. However I'm currently not recommending it to friends and family. Maybe still for my parents, who just use whatsapp and facebook and not much else. However a friend still upgraded his 920 to a 950, despite my advice, he should look into switching for an Android or iPhone. He likes the camera and interface over Android's interface and Apple is too restrictive.

    edit: also I love the whole universal apps. I have a high end IEM(headset), and I was listening to .flac files on my PC. But groove suppported it, so I was using groove. Then I thought, my Lumia 950XL should also be able to play it since it is basically the same groove App. So I transferred the files to my phone, and yes it plays .flac!
    04-25-2016 04:30 AM
  22. Florin_Anghel's Avatar
    I think it doesn't matter if it lives or dies, Microsoft tends to kill their apps/services and restart them on a pattern (as soon as they are working, they kill them and redo them more badly than they were).

    Zune -> Xbox Music (trash) -> Groove (trash at the beginning, took 9 months to make it usable).
    Messaging (fb mess integrated - was trash then it got polished, it worked at the end, was quite nice) -> (killed fb mess) Messaging standalone, only sms -> messaging + skype (trash, then it was polished and it worked: awesome) -> killed it! messaging everywhere available now (trash, another 6 months probably) -> Skype UWP (probably trash looking at the history).
    OS design (pivots - awesome!!) -> hamburger button -> now they are ditching the hamburger button again because Android is moving away from this design. Inconsistency all over the OS and apps. Hamburger on the top, on the bottom, ellipsis button instead of hamburger button in core apps.
    People hub (awesome square for people) -> killed it! (now tile square shows circles of people inside - no need to say it's trash.
    People hub (fb and twitter integration) -> killed it! (twitter no longer uses people hub, fb does not work properly with hub).
    Lumia Camera (awesome app for taking shots) -> killed it! (windows camera - trash, updated -> trash, updated again -> trash, another 50 updates -> still trash).
    Here Maps (great app) -> killed it! (Maps - trash!)
    Xbox games (live integration - awesome achievements) -> killed it! (no more achievements, games are kinda standalone).
    Alarm clock (it rang!!!) -> it doesn't wake us up anymore from time to time (trash).
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    04-25-2016 06:49 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The whole dying question is somewhat meaningless. The main reason behind that is because W10 is universal. The reason why MS is concentrating on W10 PC is because that's where the market is, but if they can get people to start producing W10 universal apps then W10M gets them by default. I don't think it matters about the actual platform because it will always be there.

    The real question is, will universal apps succeed and will W10M benefit from that?

    We all know at this point in time that W10M/Phone is a mere 2% of market share with little likely to happen this year unless a load of OEMs come on board. But even then there might be little movement due to the W10M community mindset of updates. That of course doesn't mean W10M is dead it just means it's on hold. But what does the future bring? We simply don't know.

    The main issues surrounding uptake of W10M is about apps at this point in time and the lack of them. We can all talk about future this and Continuum that but that means little to the person just wanting to chat with their friends on a common app or whatever might be missing. W10M is a good platform, there's nothing wrong with it if it does what you want, however, it's not doing what the majority of the public wants currently and until it does it won't move very far from where it is now. As sad as that may seem to the fans.

    It will take a very long time for the mind shift to happen from where we are now. Tech may run at a fast pace but group thinking doesn't. I also think W10 in general has a while to go before it becomes the common OS in general. So we're at the 'wait and see' stage still with W10M and W10.
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    04-25-2016 06:52 AM
  24. Timbre70's Avatar
    I like their new calculator on w10m. Hope they don't kill it!
    04-25-2016 06:54 AM
  25. scottinmd's Avatar
    I suspect there are no threads on the Android or IOS forums asking this question. That should speak volumes.
    04-25-2016 07:36 AM
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