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  1. Sensonic's Avatar
    Don't hijack the thread guys :p there was a different thread on this very same issue. Even if you did miss the first mail' I'm surprised you didn't get the second one offering 1TB with a 365 account for free (one year) (valid credit card needed)

    Maybe you could send them an email?
    Already did that. I told them I despise their actions - especially when it's done without any "advance warning". I have only two alternatives if I'd like to continue with Windows Phone: either clean my OneDrive account and strip it to 5Gb or pay for additional storage space capacity.

    I also despise Microsoft's decision to go with "Apple way": get a smaller cloud space capacity for free and if you'd like to have a larger capacity, then you'll have to pay for it.

    That was one of the drawback. Another one was when I had the possibility to test Lumia 950XL for two weeks when it came out. First it was OK, then it got an update and became buggy. Its plastic housing didn't really give me a premium feeling, at least compared to my Lumia 930s. Squeaking and creaking of the housing is not acceptable for a phone with that price.

    And last but not least: the future of Windows Phone seems to be quite dark: no new models coming up in the near future.

    So I'm really considering an Android phone after ten years of Windows equipped phones :(
    04-25-2016 02:37 PM
  2. GrandSpartan117's Avatar
    People just seem to very eager to jump in and laugh and say it's all over dead.... I don't know why those people want it dead so fast though except just to say they were right?

    Like if you actually just use the thing, it's pretty awesome and what's in store with redstone, it's even more awesome.
    I agree. All my friends talk smack on the platform but when I show them how intuitive the OS can be they are usually blown away. When they are trying to find information on their androids and it takes several minuets to find I'm just like of yea I have that info right here. Only takes me a few steps to find just about anything I am looking for. Not to mention the tight integration with the desktop. Its just too cool! But then there's the app gap and honestly I've gotten so used to it that I'm not even bothered by it anymore. I use my phone as a tool, not a toy and that makes me the odd man out I guess.
    04-25-2016 02:48 PM
  3. ven07's Avatar
    Already did that. I told them I despise their actions - especially when it's done without any "advance warning". I have only two alternatives if I'd like to continue with Windows Phone: either clean my OneDrive account and strip it to 5Gb or pay for additional storage space capacity.

    I also despise Microsoft's decision to go with "Apple way": get a smaller cloud space capacity for free and if you'd like to have a larger capacity, then you'll have to pay for it.

    That was one of the drawback. Another one was when I had the possibility to test Lumia 950XL for two weeks when it came out. First it was OK, then it got an update and became buggy. Its plastic housing didn't really give me a premium feeling, at least compared to my Lumia 930s. Squeaking and creaking of the housing is not acceptable for a phone with that price.

    And last but not least: the future of Windows Phone seems to be quite dark: no new models coming up in the near future.

    So I'm really considering an Android phone after ten years of Windows equipped phones :(
    Weird system.. I was surprised when I got the email with the 365 offer. Sorry to hear about your negative experiences.

    Going android isn't really that bad ya know :D but it's still sad to lose users such as yourself
    04-25-2016 02:50 PM
  4. anadi1984's Avatar
    Not a good news. Today I went to enquire about Lumia 950xl in Allahabad, India at an authorized Microsoft dealer. He informed me that Microsoft is winding up it's mobiles phone business from non-metro cities in India.
    04-25-2016 03:10 PM
  5. Zandur Khan's Avatar
    Why do people think a Surface phone would do any difference. Even if MS came through and made the best phone ever they would need to sell 100+ millions for years to even make a difference in market share. Apple makes records each year and are still having problems maintaining a decent market share worldwide. They do however make a huge profit on the 13-15% they have.
    04-25-2016 03:42 PM
  6. Misayuki's Avatar
    I love Windows phone, but if you are waiting for Microsoft to save itself, well that is just not going to happen. Just look at their current crop of phones, boring, and blah, good hardware but very, very plain.But then they did say it was for the fans they were not going out of their way to impress anyone and it worked. You can say it till you are blue in the face that the APP gap does not matter and it does not really exist, but it does, all you have to do is use an Android or i-phone for a month download your banking app your local news, your favorite eating place app, then after the month go back to your Windows phone. Unless something really dramatic and life changing happens I see no way Windows phone can make it.
    I made the switch from android today and it has been awesome so far.
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    04-25-2016 03:53 PM
  7. cracgor's Avatar
    I use my phone as a tool, not a toy and that makes me the odd man out I guess.
    Why do people equate apps to a phone acting as a toy?

    My phone has multiple apps that make my workflow easier. I have the ability to dictate notes with dragon. I can look up medication and treatment references. I can deposit checks. My phone wallet has every store card saved (not just Walgreen's).

    In addition I have better apps to improve my guitar playing skills. I'm up to date on slickdeals. And I get notified when people I follow are live on Facebook. Nothing like watching Todd McFarlane teach you how to draw Spiderman and Spawn live!

    I don't think I can do any of that on my windows phone and I do it all with apps. If the apps that existed on Android and iPhone were as bad as they are in Windows Mobile, I could understand the app gap not being a big deal. However, little things are better all the time away from Windows (Facebook live or memories, GIF keyboards in messenger, banking apps). The difference between Android apps and windows apps is like the difference between Office and OpenOffice. Both kind of do the same thing, but when it comes down to it, one is better.
    04-25-2016 04:42 PM
  8. Misayuki's Avatar
    Why do people equate apps to a phone acting as a toy?

    My phone has multiple apps that make my workflow easier. I have the ability to dictate notes with dragon. I can look up medication and treatment references. I can deposit checks. My phone wallet has every store card saved (not just Walgreen's).

    In addition I have better apps to improve my guitar playing skills. I'm up to date on slickdeals. And I get notified when people I follow are live on Facebook. Nothing like watching Todd McFarlane teach you how to draw Spiderman and Spawn live!

    I don't think I can do any of that on my windows phone and I do it all with apps. If the apps that existed on Android and iPhone were as bad as they are in Windows Mobile, I could understand the app gap not being a big deal. However, little things are better all the time away from Windows (Facebook live or memories, GIF keyboards in messenger, banking apps). The difference between Android apps and windows apps is like the difference between Office and OpenOffice. Both kind of do the same thing, but when it comes down to it, one is better.
    I think they mainly mean those who live for snapchat,instagram, etc etc
    04-25-2016 04:48 PM
  9. ven07's Avatar
    Why do people think a Surface phone would do any difference. Even if MS came through and made the best phone ever they would need to sell 100+ millions for years to even make a difference in market share. Apple makes records each year and are still having problems maintaining a decent market share worldwide. They do however make a huge profit on the 13-15% they have.
    Lol way to be blunt :D I honestly don't care.. What I need is a certainty that I can buy a phone without the fear of hearing that MS is pulling the plug for now it seems ok
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    04-25-2016 04:51 PM
  10. deezus's Avatar
    I don't need "Luck" I need apps and a stable OS, none of which MS has at this point.
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    04-25-2016 06:32 PM
  11. Randy Gleason's Avatar
    I just came from a Nexus 6P and I personally think this is the best time to be on Windows Mobile since 7.8. Microsoft's biggest problem has always been apps and with Universal Apps we are actually starting to get some really solid adaptations. I've never had a better Facebook, Instagram, Hangouts, podcast, music, Twitter, Xbox, PlayStation, Pandora, browser, file browser, Youtube, email, camera, calendar or weather app than NOW.

    On top of that, Windows 10 is on every device, which means that we will never be left behind on updates. They are constantly iterating and faster than ever.
    04-25-2016 07:18 PM
  12. Felipeicd's Avatar
    The biggest problem on windows mobile is that Microsoft don't seems to really care about it, if they killed w10m then w10 would have a problem, and MS doesn't want that, that's the only reason w10 is still alive, and the app gap just isn't just that we are missing some apps, is that the one we have doesn't even work as in other os (android and iOS). And all the unique features that w10m have ms port it to android and it's, even the notification center will work with android
    04-25-2016 08:24 PM
  13. Tepid's Avatar
    I will still take W10M GUI and over all system over Andriod any day.
    Iphone is not any better.

    All the apps I have and use work great on W10M.
    I have no issues.

    For some there might be issues, for others, like myself, there aren't.

    W10M for as long as it lasts or till I'm dead whichever comes fist.
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    04-25-2016 09:18 PM
  14. Misayuki's Avatar
    I will still take W10M GUI and over all system over Andriod any day.
    Iphone is not any better.

    All the apps I have and use work great on W10M.
    I have no issues.

    For some there might be issues, for others, like myself, there aren't.

    W10M for as long as it lasts or till I'm dead whichever comes fist.
    The GUI really is pretty awesome :)
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    04-25-2016 09:22 PM
  15. ven07's Avatar
    The biggest problem on windows mobile is that Microsoft don't seems to really care about it, if they killed w10m then w10 would have a problem, and MS doesn't want that, that's the only reason w10 is still alive, and the app gap just isn't just that we are missing some apps, is that the one we have doesn't even work as in other os (android and iOS). And all the unique features that w10m have ms port it to android and it's, even the notification center will work with android
    My friend stop saying "MS doesn't care".. at some point it becomes "whiny". Again, they run a business and not a friendship store :) As a business and as a leader calls have to be made that not everyone might like or appreciate, but it has to be done.

    I have disliked certain things MS did and I will probably dislike other things they do in the future, but when looking at those very same actions from a business standpoint (overall/general) you get to see why they had to do it.
    04-25-2016 10:03 PM
  16. ClixT's Avatar
    I agree. All my friends talk smack on the platform but when I show them how intuitive the OS can be they are usually blown away. When they are trying to find information on their androids and it takes several minuets to find I'm just like of yea I have that info right here. Only takes me a few steps to find just about anything I am looking for. Not to mention the tight integration with the desktop. Its just too cool! But then there's the app gap and honestly I've gotten so used to it that I'm not even bothered by it anymore. I use my phone as a tool, not a toy and that makes me the odd man out I guess.
    You know, I 1520% agree with this. Now that I have Messaging Everywhere, I could care less about my SE and iMessage lol. I thought I'd use Snapchat once I get an iPhone but nope. I mainly just use my SE for music when I'm running or when I'm trying to find a date using those dating apps.... lol. :D

    Seriously though, after getting my 1520, I'm more in love with wm10 than when I'm using my 950XL. Whatever the Surface Phone will be, I think the gamble MS is taking by not releasing a new suite of phone this 2016 is smart move. More risk = more reward right? As much as I love the Lumia brand, I think the 1520 is the last "Lumia."
    04-25-2016 10:19 PM
  17. Sensonic's Avatar
    I don't need "Luck" I need apps and a stable OS, none of which MS has at this point.
    The amount of apps is not really my problem. I'm happy (or almost happy) with the apps I have right now.

    The problem is that Microsoft is not going to invest to their phone development (?) and bring new exciting phone models to the market. And reducing the OneDrive capacity from their loyal users is not going to help to keep their loyal customers.

    Like I wrote to Microsoft, reducing my OneDrive capacity is the last nail on the coffin for me to continue using Windows Phone.
    I love the OS to death but due to those reasons above, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna switch to Android. Won't even consider an iPhone...
    04-25-2016 10:50 PM
  18. ven07's Avatar
    More risk = more reward right?
    More risk also equals epic fails
    04-26-2016 01:50 AM
  19. Felipeicd's Avatar
    My friend stop saying "MS doesn't care".. at some point it becomes "whiny". Again, they run a business and not a friendship store :) As a business and as a leader calls have to be made that not everyone might like or appreciate, but it has to be done.

    I have disliked certain things MS did and I will probably dislike other things they do in the future, but when looking at those very same actions from a business standpoint (overall/general) you get to see why they had to do it.
    Call me crazy but I think if they sell you a product that supposed to last more than a few months they have to "care" about you, and maybe I am whiny, but I'm whiny because MS is waiting for us to play the infinite waiting game and hope for the best
    04-26-2016 01:52 AM
  20. gm08's Avatar
    Thank you.
    I really like them, what we can do with those transparent tiles is amazing.
    04-26-2016 02:24 AM
  21. David Steadson's Avatar
    I don't know if I'm missing something here but how can "Windows Mobile" be dying when it is now the same thing as Windows on your tablet and PC? Wouldn't Windows 10 have to essentially be dead in order for phones running Windows 10 to be dead? Unless you're strictly speaking about Microsoft making its own smartphone hardware? Don't even see that completely ceasing in the near future.
    yes, you're missing something - a lot of people, including tech journalists, just don't seem to get this strategy. Windows Mobile is dead. Long live Universal Windows.
    Last edited by David Steadson; 04-26-2016 at 05:12 AM.
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    04-26-2016 04:25 AM
  22. ThePyrobri's Avatar
    Don't be absurd, everyone got multiple emails about the OneDrive storage reduction, you just clicked a link and hey-presto you get to keep it.
    My wife also 'didn't get any warning' until I looked up her deleted emails and showed them to her, she then said she must have just assumed they were junk or not important or just plain didn't bother reading them. Plus you are on this site, have you only just started coming here? Or to any other tech blogging site in fact because every one of them I read reported the news and provided the link on how to keep it.
    The final email I found in her trash was the one which lets her claim office 365 for a year which also give you 1TB of OneDrive storage.
    She signed up for that and now not only has more OneDrive space than before she has Office 365 and a further year to enjoy while seeing what changes.

    Then you say about having to pay for storage, you do realise it is incredibly cheap, you can get 50GB for under 25 per year, certainly far cheaper than having to buy a new phone. Is it really all worth getting that upset about...

    Finally Windows Phone's future is not at all bleak, Microsoft are a software company, they are not that interested in hardware, they will do the same as they did with the surface tablet, create a reference type phone that is meant to inspire it's OEM partners to create and innovate.
    Don't forget Apple and Google only release one/two phones a year also, the only reason Android has a plethora of phones is the OEM's which is what MS are trying to do, the business model with Google/Nexus is almost identical.
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    04-26-2016 05:58 AM
  23. jlabelle's Avatar
    My phone has multiple apps that make my workflow easier. I have the ability to dictate notes with dragon. I can look up medication and treatment references. I can deposit checks.
    This is a good argument and where indeed, the grass is not always greened elsewhere. For instance, I have 6 iOS devices at home including an iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6 so I know them very well.
    And W10M is allowing me to have much better / efficient workflow in a lot of cases.

    Some examples :
    • Map : I am using my phone as a GPS when travelling abroad outside of Switzerland : I have offline map with all Europe on my SD card. iOS just got offline map support through Google Map in November and still very limited where you cannot download a whole country and valid only 30 days. Also, I can type from the calendar event an address, navigate to this place, when arriving, it proposes me to store my parking location (with picture and a note). Then, I can navigate back walking. With iOS, clicking on an adress in the calendar launched Apple Map, not Google Map, so you have to copy the address and paste in Goggle Map (where you need to be sure you have the offline map covered). When arriving, you need to use a 3rd party app to store the location. And when returning to your car, you are using this 3rd party app that launched the walking guidance in ... Apple Map...which does not support offline map so y ou are screwed.
    • Social integration : nothing complicated, I have my contact including Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, LinkedIn... information concatenated without any manual work on the contrary of iOS.
    • Camera : if I want to scan something or read a QR code, I just click on the camera hardware button. And from there, I have access to all the applications using the camera. On iOS, you must unlock your phone and then you are lucky if you can find the application between multiple start screen. Also, I can just make a long press from my phone just taken out of my pocket and start filming at 4k. Then, I just extract a 8Mp image out of it so I am sure to never miss a moment. Do that with an iPhone
    • Integration with a PC : like 93% of the PC users, I am using a Windows PC (a Surface Pro 3). Thanks to W10M, I have perfect integration : can send SMS from my PC, have map favorites synchronized, bookmarks, reading list, all Cortana reminders, application settings which are roamed...because I pay and have the SAME application on all my devices. With iOS, you need a Mac but Mac are not tablet so you need also on top a tablet.
    • Continuum : now, I do not need to take my corporate laptop at home anymore. I have Good, Skype for business, Office so I can do all my work on the big screen at home from my phone. I am using a Continuum dock but now, I could just do it in the train from my SP3 that allow me to be used for Continuum as well (because only my phone is configured and authorized to have corporate email through Good). So I save 1,5kg to carry back and forth everyday !
    • Live Tiles + Glance : I do not need like all my iPhone colleagues when they come back at their desk to open their phone just to see the notifications, it is right there on the AMOLED screen. And then, I can pin a boarding pass, a theater thicket, a train ticket and I can have access to it in just one click whereas others have to fiddle to find the application. Same with pinning my favorite contacts like wife and son where I get direct info if they send me a SMS, message, email or post something on a social media


    I could go on and on. Of course, there are some great things on other plateforms. But make no mistake, Windows phone have clearly so clear strong points as well, still unmatched and making them also very efficient. While being secure, consistent, and having timely upgrade and for a long time on the contrary of Android devices.

    I can deposit checks.
    I like this example. For instance, my wife as the ZKB bank app (a local bank here). But you need a password to open it (for security reason) so she needs to go in Enpass to retrieve it.
    Unfortunately, it is not allowing transfer within our accounts.

    In the meantime, Windows mobiel does not have app but I am going to Enpass which unlock with Windows Hello and I launched directly the website. I do everything she can do, plus others she cannot with the app, while being quicker.

    So yes, it is fine to have one application for everything but sometimes, the website is as good or better.

    My phone wallet has every store card saved (not just Walgreen's).
    You are using one application per store ???
    I just has one application that I use to store ALL my card information. Seems more convenient for me.

    And I get notified when people I follow are live on Facebook.
    Thanks god I am not getting a notification each time someone I follow is live on Facebook, jesus...

    I don't think I can do any of that on my windows phone and I do it all with apps.
    I get this letmotiv of the app but at some points, I make me wonder what people are doing with their phone because most of the things where you have no app are things that anyway, would be more convenient to do from a tablet or PC that on a 4,7" screen.
    And a lot of time, the website is just as good as the application as in many cases, you do not need Cortana or Action Center or Share API integration (like your example of Bank app).
    04-26-2016 07:50 AM
  24. jlabelle's Avatar
    In other words.. now we play the "waiting game"
    You always wait. People can wait for the iPhone 7, HTC M11, Galaxy S8...

    I do not understand this claim. Lumia 950 or 950XL or 650 are here.
    Compared to the iPhone 6S, it has :
    • wireless charging and quick charging
    • bigger, better (color accuracy), brighter, more contrasty, more defined (higher resolution) AMOLED screen
    • (much) better camera with OIS and hardware button
    • double SIM
    • SD card support
    • thinner when considering a case (because it replaces existing back) and lighter


    You can always wait for the next thing but the current Windows phones are still very competitive, especially considering the price.

    And for the OS itself, W10M has already more features than iOS while iterating at an impressive pace compared to iOS that does not bring much.
    The only real thing missing is extension support in Safari with TouchID like Enpass/LastPass/1Password extension in Safari which is a great feature.
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    04-26-2016 07:56 AM
  25. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    I don't see it as dead. Merely evolving.
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    04-26-2016 08:00 AM
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