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  1. Jcmg62's Avatar
    ^^^^ agreed. I can't see Microsoft getting rid of it 1) it forms a crucial part of the overall mobile first, cloud first strategy. Microsoft have had an awful time in the mobile market for the better part of 7 years but they know they need to be in the mobile space 2) why make W10M available to HP and other OEMs then yank it.

    I can't see Apple disappearing, but they're definitely shrinking. The iPhone 7 is going to disappoint. Tech writers, bloggers and even Apple fan boys aren't expecting great things with the phone, and removing the headphone jack to boost sales of bespoke wireless beats headphones and adaptors to make your old headphones work with your new phone is a seriously disingenuous move by Apple. It stinks of a company desperate to generate sales.
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    09-04-2016 03:00 AM
  2. Guytronic's Avatar
    Not quite. It's assisted suicide and the perpetual moaners and whiners are the Dr. Kevorkians of the mobile space. I'm a fan of the OS and I'll ride it to the end. It could be worse, we could all be on Nextels and the abomination that was iDEN. Not to mention the homicidal tendencies brought on with every chirp.
    LolL
    Hey I liked Nextel a lot when working and depending on it.
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    09-04-2016 03:09 AM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
    not having a phone on Verizon signals that Microsoft has no intent to be a major player for US consumers.
    Verizon users say things like this all the time about how Verizon is some sort of indispensable condition.

    With all due respect, I think this is not correct. The view that one carrier in the US can make or break an entire platform or dictate the success or failure of a model is a fallacy. Look at iPhone. Verizon tried for years to ignore it and it didn't die. Quite the contrary. And no, I'm not comparing W10M to the iPhone so there is no need to try and use that to puncture my argument and deflate it. I am simply talking about the fact that Verizon can NOT crush an OS or device by refusing to carry it. It is known.

    I've never had Verizon. If I could be said to have a plan involving Verizon it would be a plan to never be involved with Verizon...

    Verizon matters to Verizon and those who subscribe to Verizon. To me, when I read such statements about about how not being on Verizon = Death it just sounds like a kid on the playground saying, "My dad can beat up your dad."

    09-04-2016 11:24 AM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't think they are committing suicide.
    When you have 3% of the market, and a lot of companies don't make apps for you, what is your choice.

    Android has 80% of the world market. Apple will disappear too.

    All MS can do is work the enterprise - the market where they do well.

    I think the mobile division is not making them money, but it still strategically important - so they will make Windows Phone sort a secondary product. I was hoping windows 10 and windows mobile 10 UWP would help. Maybe it will take some time?

    BlackBerry is making a fortune on Enterprise software. But remember, this is a consumer-based site so most of our members don't care about that. They want their Pokemons and Snapchat.
    09-04-2016 11:41 AM
  5. pc2k16's Avatar
    Verizon users say things like this all the time about how Verizon is some sort of indispensable condition.

    With all due respect, I think this is not correct. The view that one carrier in the US can make or break an entire platform or dictate the success or failure of a model is a fallacy. Look at iPhone. Verizon tried for years to ignore it and it didn't die. Quite the contrary. And no, I'm not comparing W10M to the iPhone so there is no need to try and use that to puncture my argument and deflate it. I am simply talking about the fact that Verizon can NOT crush an OS or device by refusing to carry it. It is known.

    I've never had Verizon. If I could be said to have a plan involving Verizon it would be a plan to never be involved with Verizon...

    Verizon matters to Verizon and those who subscribe to Verizon. To me, when I read such statements about about how not being on Verizon = Death it just sounds like a kid on the playground saying, "My dad can beat up your dad."

    Just a small correction in your post........ Verizon did want the original iPhone, they didn't ignore it. Apple refused to do business with them because Verizons cdma network was "too dated and limited in scope for Apple's interests". (quote from Jobs). Apple signed a 3 year exclusive deal with ATT because they wanted a GSM network for their device. Once Verizon started it 4G upgrade and the three years were up Verizon got the iPhone.

    I don't know the particulars of why the newest windows phone aren't on Verizon, it could be a similar reason, maybe Microsoft didn't want to make a phone for them. That would be inline with what Apple did at first and it worked out great in the end, but........ if it's the other way around and Verizon said pass we don't want your phone, while that won't kill a OS or windows phone in general, it certainly doesn't help. (btw - I'm on ATT too).
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    09-04-2016 12:52 PM
  6. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    As a matter of debate and general info, is there any other network in the world which the lumia 950 cannot work with at all? There are over 600 operators in the world, and besides Verizon, are there any other networks that don't work with Lumia 950 or elite x3?
    09-04-2016 01:20 PM
  7. libra89's Avatar
    As a matter of debate and general info, is there any other network in the world which the lumia 950 cannot work with at all? There are over 600 operators in the world, and besides Verizon, are there any other networks that don't work with Lumia 950 or elite x3?
    Verizon's subnetworks, U.S. Cellular (not 100% sure), Sprint, possibly Ting.

    I think it does matter depending on the person's lifestyle, kind of what @tgp said. Is it really easy to dismiss a high number of possible customers? At the same time, I think it would be interesting to see recent numbers of the number of Windows Mobile users broken down by carrier. I recall cricket and AT&T dominating the pie, but it makes me wonder if this is still the case.
    09-04-2016 01:44 PM
  8. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Verizon's subnetworks, U.S. Cellular (not 100% sure), Sprint, possibly Ting.

    I think it does matter depending on the person's lifestyle, kind of what @tgp said. Is it really easy to dismiss a high number of possible customers? At the same time, I think it would be interesting to see recent numbers of the number of Windows Mobile users broken down by carrier. I recall cricket and AT&T dominating the pie, but it makes me wonder if this is still the case.
    why just limit the problem to a US problem? Almost all over the world the telecoms are okay with windows phones but it's just the US ones that have issues? This is not a high number of users but a small one.

    As I have checked before, the number of Verizon users is 140 million approximate, out of 4.5 billion phone users worldwide. So does this really affect a high number of users? VZ is not a special network except for the fact it uses a different standard/technology from the rest of the world
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    09-04-2016 02:20 PM
  9. libra89's Avatar
    why just limit the problem to a US problem? Almost all over the world the telecoms are okay with windows phones but it's just the US ones that have issues? This is not a high number of users but a small one.

    As I have checked before, the number of Verizon users is 140 million approximate, out of 4.5 billion phone users worldwide. So does this really affect a high number of users? VZ is not a special network except for the fact it uses a different standard/technology from the rest of the world
    You're correct in a general, overall sense. Microsoft also wants some kind of success in the US as well. Ideally, they would probably want the success in Europe to be mirrored stateside.

    I think you do raise a great point here though. OnePlus is probably pretty niche, but they seem to be doing just fine without Verizon support. When it comes to having an answer, it's kind of difficult. Even Nextbit, the creators of the Nextbit Robin wanted to make a version that would work for Verizon but that fell through. It's hard to guess if having CDMA work on these devices, would make a big impact on Windows Phone.
    09-04-2016 02:27 PM
  10. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    You're correct in a general, overall sense. Microsoft also wants some kind of success in the US as well. Ideally, they would probably want the success in Europe to be mirrored stateside.

    I think you do raise a great point here though. OnePlus is probably pretty niche, but they seem to be doing just fine without Verizon support. When it comes to having an answer, it's kind of difficult. Even Nextbit, the creators of the Nextbit Robin wanted to make a version that would work for Verizon but that fell through.
    And I realised I'm a bit cranky on this issue -it pops up too many times and I just get irritated with that. Sorry

    I would understand it if they were in the process of migrating their network to the world GSM standard but are there any signs of that?

    Looking at the larger picture, US and a couple of other countries still use 120V while most of the world uses 240V. Does that cause issues? Yes, it does, can the system be changed? It would take a long time but it will have to be done eventually. Same thing with units - US still likes using units like fahrenheit or miles or pounds when the world has adopted a world standard of metric units - it does confuse things up in international meetings
    09-04-2016 02:34 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Same thing with units - US still likes using units like fahrenheit or miles or pounds when the world has adopted a world standard of metric units
    Oh, we tried going metric back in the 70s. That was a complete failure akin to the Edsel. It was a smallish movement that gained traction when the price of gas rose over $1/gallon. Sorry, $1/3.79L. Anyhoo, the gas pumps were not capable of anything over 99 cents so they thought it was easier to charge roughly 23 cents per liter and not have to retrofit every gas pump across the country. I don't need to tell you how that worked out.
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    09-04-2016 04:00 PM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm familiar with metric, since I have a science background, and we used SI units at work.
    09-04-2016 11:33 PM
  13. dkediger's Avatar
    Yeah, there is a difference in coverage. According to their respective maps, both Verizon and ATT have their highest level coverage at my location.

    Verizon - I can get 4g in the sub-basements at home and work. We rely on Verizon fixed cellular 4g for backup data center connections.

    ATT - If you're indoors, you're not getting much. Voice is spotty, SMS non-existent. Don't even think about data. Expecting an email or SMS, better go outside with the smokers. I regularly get requests to allow ATT wifi cell extenders at our work locations.

    Sure, on a worldwide scale, Verizon isn't much. But we are talking Microsoft's home market - the US. An affluent market where the right product is purchased with little thought. Additionally, sometimes to gain respect, you have to do the extra stuff or the hard stuff. Until you do, you're just some average Joe.

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    09-06-2016 11:11 AM
  14. dkediger's Avatar
    I remember Thermo problems that would take less than a page in SI compared to 2 or 3 in Imperial - and you would need to triple check unit conversions for errors.

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    09-06-2016 11:15 AM
  15. dkediger's Avatar
    I always tell people to zoom in on the central US (Iowa,Indiana, Kansas, Nebraska,Missouri, Oklahoma, etc) in a map app until you can see all the little square grids. Those are roads. Nicely evenly spaced at 1mile, not 1.6 kilometers.

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    09-06-2016 11:20 AM
  16. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    I always tell people to zoom in on the central US (Iowa,Indiana, Kansas, Nebraska,Missouri, Oklahoma, etc) in a map app until you can see all the little square grids. Those are roads. Nicely evenly spaced at 1mile, not 1.6 kilometers.
    I honestly thought you must be kidding... It's amazing :)
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    09-08-2016 03:41 PM
  17. jeffchapik's Avatar
    I don't know how all you people find your way on those twisty turny roads. It's crazy.
    09-08-2016 04:04 PM
  18. Noname Noname's Avatar
    Verizon customer service is so rude. I had them about 4 years ago. Prepaid service. When the rep found out I had prepaid, her whole tone changed. Acted like I spit on her shoes! I moved my number to another carrier two weeks in later.
    Last edited by Noname Noname; 09-08-2016 at 07:08 PM. Reason: Fixed spelling
    09-08-2016 07:05 PM
  19. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Verizon customer service is so rude. I had them about 4 years ago. Prepaid service. When the rep found out I had prepaid, her whole tone changed. Acted like I spit on her shoes! I moved my number to another carrier two weeks in later.
    and prepaid is the world norm
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    09-12-2016 08:11 AM
  20. iamakii's Avatar
    It's time to move on guys. Im loving my high end Android phone. I have all the apps I need, less bugs and a bright future my phone will be supported.

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    09-20-2016 04:26 PM
  21. pc2k16's Avatar
    It's time to move on guys. Im loving my high end Android phone. I have all the apps I need, less bugs and a bright future my phone will be supported.

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    Dear new Google / Android user,

    We thank you for allowing us to data mine, steal, and sell all your personal information and also for giving us a window into every personal aspect of your life. We look forward to exploiting you and making a fist full of money while doing it. We did enjoy what you ate for dinner two nights ago, however we were also concerned at how many times you went to the bathroom yesterday. We see youre feeling better today. We also liked the joke you told at work and loved the gesture you gave to the driver of the car that cut you off on your way home. Taking all these things into account, we will tailor a rich bombardment of relentless advertisements to make your stay with Google even more pleasant. Again, thank you for giving up your most basic freedoms while you use our products.

    Sincerely,
    The Google Team
    Alphabet Inc.

    (Kidding of course, lol. I'm guessing you went with a Samsung, they are nice, enjoy.)
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    09-20-2016 09:53 PM
  22. Raygreen3's Avatar
    Have fun, hope you didn't get a Note 7. I will stick with my $40 windows phone and if there is not an app on the phone I can wait till I get home to use my android tablet. I like the way my Windows phone works with both my cars.
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    09-22-2016 10:17 PM
  23. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Dear new Google / Android user,

    We thank you for allowing us to data mine, steal, and sell all your personal information and also for giving us a window into every personal aspect of your life. We look forward to exploiting you and making a fist full of money while doing it. We did enjoy what you ate for dinner two nights ago, however we were also concerned at how many times you went to the bathroom yesterday. We see you’re feeling better today. We also liked the joke you told at work and loved the gesture you gave to the driver of the car that cut you off on your way home. Taking all these things into account, we will tailor a rich bombardment of relentless advertisements to make your stay with Google even more pleasant. Again, thank you for giving up your most basic freedoms while you use our products.

    Sincerely,
    The Google Team
    Alphabet Inc.

    (Kidding of course, lol. I'm guessing you went with a Samsung, they are nice, enjoy.)
    are they really that bad?
    09-25-2016 02:33 AM
  24. pc2k16's Avatar
    are they really that bad?
    Well lets be honest, Google, Apple, Microsoft all collect information, that they all say isn't used to personally identify an individual, but that's subject to interpretation. They all certainly get an idea of who you are, what you like, how you use the internet, and use that info to target ads and services to each individual. That said, Google is the king of collecting info (data mining). Their business was built on that process from the beginning when Sergey Brin and Larry Page created the search engine and became founders of Google. Apple and Microsoft always had other revenue streams and advertising wasn't the focus. To this day, most of Googles profits come from AdWords, an online advertising service that places ads in search results. In order to target ads and get people to actually click on them you have to know your customer. Google finds out who you are better than all the others. This business model is one of the reason why they bought the rights to Android, bought you tube, and created google+. This gives them more insight into who you are, what you like, and how you use the internet, which lets them target more precise ads, which generates more profits.

    Many people willingly give up their personal info by adding that info to their online account profiles, such as name, birth date, location, where they work, likes, dislikes, etc, but much of the info Google uses is gathered thru tracking. Many are fine with this, many are not. I am not, and try to limit the tracking as much as possible. No social media, use IE11 and it's built in tracking blocking feature which allows you to import blocking list into IE, I use a local account on my computer, no Cortana, I don't use any Google services or their search engine, I don't use Andriod, and I limit my you tube use to mostly music videos.

    It's all a personal preference and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to use the internet nor is the way Google does business right or wrong. It is what it is and Google is pretty good at what they do.
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    09-25-2016 09:26 AM
  25. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Well lets be honest, Google, Apple, Microsoft all collect information, that they all say isn't used to personally identify an individual, but that's subject to interpretation. They all certainly get an idea of who you are, what you like, how you use the internet, and use that info to target ads and services to each individual. That said, Google is the king of collecting info (data mining). Their business was built on that process from the beginning when Sergey Brin and Larry Page created the search engine and became founders of Google. Apple and Microsoft always had other revenue streams and advertising wasn't the focus. To this day, most of Googles profits come from AdWords, an online advertising service that places ads in search results. In order to target ads and get people to actually click on them you have to know your customer. Google finds out who you are better than all the others. This business model is one of the reason why they bought the rights to Android, bought you tube, and created google+. This gives them more insight into who you are, what you like, and how you use the internet, which lets them target more precise ads, which generates more profits.

    Many people willingly give up their personal info by adding that info to their online account profiles, such as name, birth date, location, where they work, likes, dislikes, etc, but much of the info Google uses is gathered thru tracking. Many are fine with this, many are not. I am not, and try to limit the tracking as much as possible. No social media, use IE11 and it's built in tracking blocking feature which allows you to import blocking list into IE, I use a local account on my computer, no Cortana, I don't use any Google services or their search engine, I don't use Andriod, and I limit my you tube use to mostly music videos.

    It's all a personal preference and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to use the internet nor is the way Google does business right or wrong. It is what it is and Google is pretty good at what they do.
    the real question I usually ask is, from all that info, what can they do with it? To m personally? Can they select me as an individual from the billions of internet users and target me for something personal? I've never posted banking info and in any case my bank is still analogue. They don't even know where I live exactly
    09-25-2016 09:35 AM
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