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  1. princeegli's Avatar
    Well you can't get those on W10M and frankly, I have found their POI databases vastly inferior to Google's, or even Apple Maps. The only major advantage is 100% offline maps. And you can get HERE on both iOS and Android as well.
    Here works well for.me in georgia....probably main reason Im staying on 8.1 ,win 10 is just not.ready yet
    09-27-2016 08:23 AM
  2. buffalosolja's Avatar
    I minor thing I remembered today: in WP you can easily get to bluetooth and wifi settings by just long-pressing their toggles in the action center. I don't think there's a similar quick way in iOS, or is there is, I haven't found it.
    Wow I have been using a while and didn't even know this!!

    So to summarize until now, unless I'm overlooking any other main features, it really doesn't seem like WP as an OS is significantly behind iOS and Android. Nice.

    How about screen projection? For Airplay on iOS, does that only work over Apple TV? I can project from my 950XL to my Roku wirelessly, and I guess to any miracast enabled device, or via a Wireless Display adapter? Does Android allow anything similar?
    Android allows mirror cast but is limited (can't to MS office apps) tried to do a comparison with my wife on this.

    Here works well for.me in georgia....probably main reason Im staying on 8.1 ,win 10 is just not.ready yet
    GA native as well and my wife has android now we usually use my gps to get around but I am on w10 and it has gotten a ton better.
    Last edited by xandros9; 09-30-2016 at 10:58 AM.
    09-27-2016 10:02 AM
  3. Joe920's Avatar
    Android allows mirror cast but is limited (can't to MS office apps) tried to do a comparison with my wife on this.
    When you say mirror cast, do you mean ChromeCast ? Seems like that's indeed limited to 'cast enabled apps'. So I guess this means that all three OS'es have something similar: cast the screen to enabled receivers. So I'd say "WP competes" for that one. I've added it to the list, thanks!
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    09-27-2016 10:56 AM
  4. Joe920's Avatar
    Another one to add to the list: file browser. The other day I moved a whole much of mp3 folders from SD card to the phone memory using Explorer on the phone. Granted, it resulted in a 'moving files' popup with no 'cancel' and no percentage indicator, but other than that, it's great to have. I'm sure Android does this (right?), but iOS certainly doesn't.
    09-27-2016 11:42 AM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    Another one to add to the list: file browser. The other day I moved a whole much of mp3 folders from SD card to the phone memory using Explorer on the phone. Granted, it resulted in a 'moving files' popup with no 'cancel' and no percentage indicator, but other than that, it's great to have. I'm sure Android does this (right?), but iOS certainly doesn't.
    Yeah, Android does but iOS does not, you have to use iTunes or an app for that.
    09-27-2016 01:30 PM
  6. Daniel Stevenson Sutton's Avatar
    So my 10 pence worth is: I have been using Windows phone for the past 2 years. It has its gripes but I loved it. When it came time to replace my battered old Lumia 830 the 950 HTC was the obvious choice...until I discovered my other half had already gotten me one for my birthday (November). So until then I took her IPhone 6s (she has just gotten a 7). I like the 6s and there are some nice features here too. But still a Windows phone fan I think. The OS has a lot of potential just needs some touches. The App gap is not an issue: but they need to get developers to invest in their apps. I use FB, twitter, Instagram. Done. But there are features missing from all three; it also has to be said that Apple has nailed interactive notifications, which Microsoft needs to work on. I think Windows is the better platform in the end. But no harm at looking at what the others have gotten right.
    09-30-2016 03:20 AM
  7. Joe920's Avatar
    The OS has a lot of potential just needs some touches. .... Apple has nailed interactive notifications, which Microsoft needs to work on.
    So apart from the app gap, what touches do you think WP needs? And what is better about the notifications on iOS? I'm trying to list all main differences in the OP, so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
    09-30-2016 10:48 AM
  8. Joe920's Avatar
    Another thought: does either of the three big players allow 'default open' options for certain file types, or 'open with' from within the file browser? (that rules out iOS) I know Win10 does it, but in W10mobile it seems more restrictive.

    The other day I used Explorer on my 950XL to locate and play an mp4 file. Having found the file, I wanted to use 'open with ..' to open it in VLC or Moliplayer. I couldn't find a way to do it. I know for pdf's downloaded in Edge we get a choice. What gives? And how do Android and iOS do it?
    09-30-2016 10:52 AM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    So apart from the app gap, what touches do you think WP needs? And what is better about the notifications on iOS? I'm trying to list all main differences in the OP, so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
    hmm, well honestly W10M is still buggier. The surface is great and fluid but there's bugs that shouldn't be there. For example my GroupMe notifications are broken on W10M but not on literally every other supported platform. 10586 was a usability trainwreck (it was terrific in fluidity and battery life though) with the really small details like inferior word prediction, a crash-happy photo picker, the features that Microsoft keeps removing like Kid's Corner, Outlook Mail won't let me adjust IMAP settings, making it the only modern OS I use that won't let me setup my Openmailbox.org mailbox. (WP8.1 and webOS 2 let me do it - thankfully upgrading from 8.1 kept the right settings)

    I tried to ask Cortana a question to test something that another user asked and it just kept crashing before I could type or say anything. (and this was on Redstone) It was stable earlier but something changed. On TH2/10586 Cortana would crash about every other time when searching and this persisted across hard resets and WDRT uses.

    A lot of this variability and differences between users worry me.

    I'll keep an eye on the situation going forward though, I need to update my experience to keep it up -to-date since 10586 is no longer modern.

    Another thought: does either of the three big players allow 'default open' options for certain file types, or 'open with' from within the file browser? (that rules out iOS) I know Win10 does it, but in W10mobile it seems more restrictive.

    The other day I used Explorer on my 950XL to locate and play an mp4 file. Having found the file, I wanted to use 'open with ..' to open it in VLC or Moliplayer. I couldn't find a way to do it. I know for pdf's downloaded in Edge we get a choice. What gives? And how do Android and iOS do it?
    Android does it by bringing up a dialog with possible app selections. W10M sort of does it with PDFs and stuff but it varies.
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    09-30-2016 11:23 AM
  10. Joe920's Avatar
    So from the edited quote below (bad practice I know), most OS issues are bugginess, and the IMAP issue. Is that a bug as well? Or just something missing?
    - W10M is still buggier.
    - Outlook Mail won't let me adjust IMAP settings
    - I tried to ask Cortana a question to test something that another user asked and it just kept crashing
    - [on open with] Android does it by bringing up a dialog with possible app selections. W10M sort of does it with PDFs and stuff but it varies.
    About the 'open with', probably for many situations a 'share' command also works. iOS does have 'Open in' e.g. when certain file types are open in Safari. I'm not sure how flexible that is.
    09-30-2016 11:44 AM
  11. xandros9's Avatar
    So from the edited quote below (bad practice I know), most OS issues are bugginess, and the IMAP issue. Is that a bug as well? Or just something missing?
    Oh that's not a bad practice, I do the same on lengthy posts and stuff!

    Most issues are indeed bugginess. The email issue appears to me as too much faith being placed into its library of settings or just not implementing the system.

    There are some other deficiencies beyond Kid's Corner like MS removing lockscreen weather, gutting glance in the AU, and minor settings or fit-and-finish. The latter probably just from the reboots.
    09-30-2016 12:10 PM
  12. Joe920's Avatar
    There are some other deficiencies beyond Kid's Corner like MS removing lockscreen weather, gutting glance in the AU, and minor settings or fit-and-finish. The latter probably just from the reboots.
    I'm also annoyed by MS removing good things that set them apart. These are unique features, so of course they are only used by a small number of users, but that's no reason to cut them. Sigh.

    That said, right now I'm trying to compare with iOS and Android, so I can't say much about MS' mismanagement, only about how whatever is left compares to Apple's and Google's approach. And I'm happy to say, in terms of OS it doesn't look half bad.

    Now all we need is a couple of apps and a few tens of millions of users and we're golden. Sad realization: with the over $7B MS spent on Nokia, they could have given 30 million users a free Lumia 650 at full retain pricing. Or they could have used that money to sell the 950 below cost, say for $200 each. Now there's one way of building a user base. Alas, too late now.

    Anyway, back on topic! :D
    09-30-2016 12:42 PM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    Another thought: does either of the three big players allow 'default open' options for certain file types, or 'open with' from within the file browser? (that rules out iOS) I know Win10 does it, but in W10mobile it seems more restrictive.

    The other day I used Explorer on my 950XL to locate and play an mp4 file. Having found the file, I wanted to use 'open with ..' to open it in VLC or Moliplayer. I couldn't find a way to do it. I know for pdf's downloaded in Edge we get a choice. What gives? And how do Android and iOS do it?
    Like xandros9 said, on Android you get a dialogue window asking which app you wish to use. You can also select to make it default. Android's method is actually very similar to how Windows desktop does it.

    I do not believe iOS gives you any choice, at least when there is a native app that will handle it. I haven't used iOS 10 much yet though, so things may have changed.
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    09-30-2016 01:12 PM
  14. Joe920's Avatar
    A minor thing where Android leads WP: I just booted up an Android phone for the first time in weeks. It took the Play Store about three seconds to find out which apps had updates available. In WP this takes what, half a minute at least? Not a big deal if updating happens in the background, but a notable difference for us neurotic update checkers.

    Edit: hmmm, I think my 950XL saw me report on Android using an iPad, because it refuses to wake from sleep, only showing me the status bar. :D
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    10-01-2016 09:14 AM
  15. FXi2's Avatar
    You can project to Miracast devices easily. My several year old Samsung connects to Lumia 928 and Icon both using the play to feature. However now I use the Microsoft wireless display adapter and that's great.
    10-01-2016 01:48 PM
  16. Joe920's Avatar
    Just came across a thread complaining about acting on phone numbers in messages etc. Looks like people are not crazy about how WP10 does this.

    Does anyone have experience with how this works in Android and iOS? Kind of the same, worse, or notably better?

    Ironically, I wasn't able to copy and paste the thread link here, had to do it on my PC afterward :D
    Last edited by Joe920; 10-03-2016 at 10:40 AM.
    10-03-2016 07:23 AM
  17. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Day one with my new Google Pixel. My impressions thus far is that this is overall better than my 950. It's fast, like extremely fast. I never even thought my 950 was slow until I got this phone. I don't think I've ever seen a phone this fast in my life. Clearly there's a lot of optimized power under the hood. I'm not really an app guy. I'm big on getting things done. All of the Microsoft apps are on Android and to be honest they are indeed better in a lot of ways. Pages I had issues loading on edge load perfect on the Bing app. Issues I had with OneDrive no longer exist. Even this Tapatalk app is way better now. So far the biggest drawback I see is the keyboard. The virtual keyboard on my 950 was a lot better. Microsoft needs to bring their keyboard over because I would use it for sure. I'm still learning the OS but thus far I like it. Being able to run two apps at the same time in multitask is amazing. I've replaced the main stock Google apps with Microsoft apps and to be honest I think if Microsoft just put more attention into Windows phones it could be the smooth experience I'm getting from Android at the moment. This is only day one so there's still more setting up to do. I'll follow up later with more info.
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    12-30-2016 09:39 AM
  18. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Personally I get the sense that NFC payments work better on the others (don't use it, so not sure).
    This is vendor and technology dependent, and doesn't solely rely on MS Wallet / NFC.

    For example, my local grocery store recently switched out their card/nfc payment terminals, and previously using NFC meant I had to sign on the screen after it registered my debit card, but now it requires my pin code instead. I don't care for that actually to be honest. The same evening though I went to the local Duane Reade, and there I only had to hold up the phone, authenticate using iris scanner, and then it was done; no signature or pin required.

    So it appears to vary, and I think there's a limit to how much we can credit or blame MS for how the technology is implemented. All i can say is that it works, and it works well, but differently depending on the store/vendor.

    On another general note I would add this: There appears to be more than a bit of a double standard when comparing platforms. Personal experience is fine but it is personal. And some people have certain preferences and will therefore perceive an issue differently depending on what platform it is on. Poor battery management on Android or OSX isn't really a big issue, but it's a disaster on W10M. Likewise, the explanation I've seen for the former is that it's just a temporary issue that will be fixed (a good thing) yet a temporary issue on W10M is a bad thing because 'issues keep popping up with updates'.... even though the same is true for iOS for example (or OSX).

    So it's just very hard to make a comparison because it's really hard to pick an issue and then evaluating it fairly and equally on different platforms.
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    12-30-2016 02:49 PM
  19. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Day one with my new Google Pixel. My impressions thus far is that this is overall better than my 950. It's fast, like extremely fast. I never even thought my 950 was slow until I got this phone. I don't think I've ever seen a phone this fast in my life. Clearly there's a lot of optimized power under the hood.
    Well, at this point we should remember two things:

    The Pixel has a Snapdragon 821, and the Lumia 950 an 808.
    The Pixel is new and the 950... how old? I honestly don't know... a year+?
    The Pixel is $650 unlocked, and I just saw the 950 for $330

    So again we have to be clear with our comparisons. What would I expect for a phone that is almost exactly twice as expensive?

    Certainly some things need to improve on an OS level, but other things simply lie outside of that.
    12-30-2016 02:56 PM
  20. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Well, at this point we should remember two things:

    The Pixel has a Snapdragon 821, and the Lumia 950 an 808.
    The Pixel is new and the 950... how old? I honestly don't know... a year+?
    The Pixel is $650 unlocked, and I just saw the 950 for $330

    So again we have to be clear with our comparisons. What would I expect for a phone that is almost exactly twice as expensive?

    Certainly some things need to improve on an OS level, but other things simply lie outside of that.
    Ummm... Ok. I'm aware the Pixel has a better CPU, more ram and a higher storage capacity. Also the 950 was not always under $400 dollars. It's just interesting to see such a huge jump from one flagship to another. Even if they matched hardware the Pixel is so much more stable it's night and day different. My 950 would get stuck trying to do things as simple as adjust brightness.
    12-30-2016 03:04 PM
  21. Joe920's Avatar
    It's just interesting to see such a huge jump from one flagship to another.
    I think MS could at least make WP10 feel a bit zippier by working on the animations. The GPU in phones like the 950XL is plenty fast, but getting to the task switcher by long-pressing the back button seems to take an eternity.

    #firstworldproblems
    12-30-2016 03:56 PM
  22. libra89's Avatar
    I reread this thread and I realized that we did a disservice in forgetting two things.

    One sweet thing that WP has (on W10M) is the event reminder when powering down your phone. The "Don't forget" instead of goodbye is a nice touch.

    Android has the scheduled turn on and turn off time though, which is also a nice touch too.
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    12-30-2016 05:38 PM
  23. xandros9's Avatar
    I reread this thread and I realized that we did a disservice in forgetting two things.

    One sweet thing that WP has (on W10M) is the event reminder when powering down your phone. The "Don't forget" instead of goodbye is a nice touch.

    Android has the scheduled turn on and turn off time though, which is also a nice touch too.
    To be fair, I don't power off my phone enough for that Don't forget thing to matter but the sheer thoughtfulness of the feature makes me want it.

    And also worth noting that out of all the Android phone's I've used, the only one that had the scheduled power-on/off feature and it was a $10 Alcatel, interestingly enough.
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    12-30-2016 05:41 PM
  24. libra89's Avatar
    To be fair, I don't power off my phone enough for that Don't forget thing to matter but the sheer thoughtfulness of the feature makes me want it.

    And also worth noting that out of all the Android phone's I've used, the only one that had the scheduled power-on/off feature and it was a $10 Alcatel, interestingly enough.
    Fair point.

    Wow, just one? It's weird how some have it and some don't. Come to think of it, the Honor 8 I have might be the only phone that I have had this with. I really liked how if I was using another phone, I can disable the alarm so that I don't have 2 alarms in my ear the next morning.
    12-30-2016 05:44 PM
  25. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Ummm... Ok. I'm aware the Pixel has a better CPU, more ram and a higher storage capacity. Also the 950 was not always under $400 dollars. It's just interesting to see such a huge jump from one flagship to another. Even if they matched hardware the Pixel is so much more stable it's night and day different. My 950 would get stuck trying to do things as simple as adjust brightness.
    Right, but again, at some point we need to start comparing apples to apples. I could take the phone I left behind (LG G2X) and compare that to the 950 I switched to, and simply note that I with 99% certainty had far more and far worse problems with that old phone compared to the 950, and that the improvement likely was far far larger than the one you just experienced. So, obviously, does that tell us how awesome the 950 is or how bad my G2X had become?

    For example: Not once have my 950 gotten stuck adjusting brightness. If the OS, Win 10 Mobile, is the cause for your phone getting stuck when adjusting brightness, why doesn't that happen to everyone on the same phone / OS? Makes no sense.
    12-30-2016 06:36 PM
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