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  1. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    I think MS could at least make WP10 feel a bit zippier by working on the animations. The GPU in phones like the 950XL is plenty fast, but getting to the task switcher by long-pressing the back button seems to take an eternity.

    #firstworldproblems
    Good hashtag, I agree.

    I think this is an area though where you're likely to find some disagreement because whereas apps not crashing is a pretty objective minimum standard the amount of time this should take is entirely subjective, within reason. I'm betting if it's too short a lot of users will complain that when they're attempting to go back it'll trigger the task switcher instead. Know what I mean? I personally have no problem with the time it takes now, and I would likely be ok with it being a bit faster.
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    12-30-2016 07:39 PM
  2. Joe920's Avatar
    I think this is an area though where you're likely to find some disagreement because whereas apps not crashing is a pretty objective minimum standard the amount of time this should take is entirely subjective, within reason. I'm betting if it's too short a lot of users will complain that when they're attempting to go back it'll trigger the task switcher instead. Know what I mean? I personally have no problem with the time it takes now, and I would likely be ok with it being a bit faster.
    Agreed on everything, but for the task switcher I think it's too lethargic. Compare it with the response for the long press on the start button. I haven't read a single complaint about that one being too fast, and it's tons faster than the task switcher. Looks like there's room for tweaking.
    12-30-2016 07:51 PM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    Good hashtag, I agree.

    I think this is an area though where you're likely to find some disagreement because whereas apps not crashing is a pretty objective minimum standard the amount of time this should take is entirely subjective, within reason. I'm betting if it's too short a lot of users will complain that when they're attempting to go back it'll trigger the task switcher instead. Know what I mean? I personally have no problem with the time it takes now, and I would likely be ok with it being a bit faster.
    Agreed. It's not like it lags or anything. It works perfectly fine.

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    12-30-2016 08:15 PM
  4. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Agreed on everything, but for the task switcher I think it's too lethargic. Compare it with the response for the long press on the start button. I haven't read a single complaint about that one being too fast, and it's tons faster than the task switcher.
    Fair enough, if it's good enough for one it is for the other. No real reason for there to be a difference as far as I can see.
    12-30-2016 08:24 PM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    I think there should be a conversation about how each OS handles non-native email accounts like an Exchange kind of deal (i.e. using an account with a Gmail address on Windows phone, using an outlook email address on Android).

    In my experience, iOS is truly plug and play. I can send emails, add/delete contacts, and create calendar events in the Outlook app which will be mirrored on the server. When adding accounts, it automatically makes it to be an Exchange account, which is important for being able to have continuation.

    Android in my experience is extremely varied on this. I have had phones that I have added my Outlook address as Exchange account and it was just bad with my contacts appearing and disappearing (looking at you Sony) to phones where it worked better. On my current Android phone of choice, it works well but using the built in email app sends double replies, regardless of if I am in a weak signal area or one with strong WiFi.

    How does this work with Windows Phone/Mobile? Is it more friendly than Android, close to the level of iOS, or better even?
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    12-31-2016 11:23 AM
  6. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    When I got the G2X I started with the included email client (this was years ago) and then switched to a 3rd party one. That one worked well for a while but I soon got problems sending mail. I didn't get duplicates but it wouldn't send at all - but only from some accounts. When I set up the 950 and Outlook it synced to my three emails perfectly right away.

    Contacts on the other hand I think are handled better by Google than MS Outlook web. My issue has so far been that when combining accounts it becomes hard to understand the underlying architecture and interaction between the various services and therefore it's hard to deal with duplicates and merging information etc. I'm not sure the blame can be laid squarely at MS' feet, but at the very least the "clean up" function on the (web) contacts page is just not that great.

    So, email works well for me so far, on the phone and on the web, and contacts are a bit annoying if one is trying to clean it all up, and I can't really put my finger on just who's to blame yet....
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    12-31-2016 12:07 PM
  7. libra89's Avatar
    When I got the G2X I started with the included email client (this was years ago) and then switched to a 3rd party one. That one worked well for a while but I soon got problems sending mail. I didn't get duplicates but it wouldn't send at all - but only from some accounts. When I set up the 950 and Outlook it synced to my three emails perfectly right away.

    Contacts on the other hand I think are handled better by Google than MS Outlook web. My issue has so far been that when combining accounts it becomes hard to understand the underlying architecture and interaction between the various services and therefore it's hard to deal with duplicates and merging information etc. I'm not sure the blame can be laid squarely at MS' feet, but at the very least the "clean up" function on the (web) contacts page is just not that great.

    So, email works well for me so far, on the phone and on the web, and contacts are a bit annoying if one is trying to clean it all up, and I can't really put my finger on just who's to blame yet....
    That's really interesting. All of my emails are hosted on Outlook so I wondered how it was on the flip side.

    Thanks for sharing your experience. I can't explain what I mean by theme but I am all about harmony. For the sake of it, I prefer for icons to look like they go together.
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    12-31-2016 12:33 PM
  8. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    After a few more days with my new pixel phone I can say that notifications and the on screen keyboard is better on Windows phone. Androids notify you about everything. The flexibility of these notifications are not as good as W10M at all. Some cannot be turned off at all. The other thing there seems to be no keyboard as good as the Microsoft keyboard. Ironically Microsoft has an android keyboard and it really sucks. It's clearly not a W10M clone. No swipe, doesn't suggest more than 3 words when typing and missing a few other features. Really weird. I do like that you can change the keyboard to get what you like but thus far I haven't found any that fully match the W10M keyboard feature for feature.
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    01-02-2017 10:09 AM
  9. slivy58's Avatar
    How does this work with Windows Phone/Mobile? Is it more friendly than Android, close to the level of iOS, or better even?
    Overall Outlook for WP/WM has worked reasonably well for me although emails don't always display properly and the overall interface feels, well, lacking and somewhat bland compare to its iOS/Android counterparts. If comparing against the other two platforms, for me, it ranks on the bottom.

    Do have a problem on my Androids where a couple of IMAP accounts won't send, they appear to do so but recipients never get them, receiving end works as it should. Only happening on, wait for it, Outlook for Android w/the native email apps working flawlessly. Gone through many steps in trying to resolve but continues to elude me so pretty much concluded that a "bad update" is the cause, problem does appear to coincide with Outlook's last updated.

    iOS has always performed well and although different switching between it and Android feels seamless, sadly can't honestly say the same for WP/WM.
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    01-02-2017 12:07 PM
  10. Joe920's Avatar
    After a few more days with my new pixel phone I can say that notifications and the on screen keyboard is better on Windows phone. Androids notify you about everything. The flexibility of these notifications are not as good as W10M at all. Some cannot be turned off at all.
    Nice, I forgot about notifications and customizability. I recall when I used a Fire Phone for a bit, there was no way to show a notification counter on icons (the poor man's live tile..). Is this also the case on a Pixel? Or are there now counter overlays on icons as part of the OS?

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    01-03-2017 09:06 AM
  11. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Found a huge flaw today with the Pixel. Apparently Google assistant can't read text messages at all; not over a wired connection, Bluetooth or speaker phone. I'm ready to return the phone because there's no way I can drive my car without having that feature.
    01-04-2017 08:56 AM
  12. libra89's Avatar
    Found a huge flaw today with the Pixel. Apparently Google assistant can't read text messages at all; not over a wired connection, Bluetooth or speaker phone. I'm ready to return the phone because there's no way I can drive my car without having that feature.
    Ah that sucks. :/ So what phone will you use now, or should I say, plan to use?
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    01-04-2017 09:10 AM
  13. Joe920's Avatar
    Found a huge flaw today with the Pixel. Apparently Google assistant can't read text messages at all; not over a wired connection, Bluetooth or speaker phone. I'm ready to return the phone because there's no way I can drive my car without having that feature.
    Apparently you can ask it to read you your text messages, see this post by tgp
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    01-04-2017 11:58 AM
  14. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Apparently you can ask it to read you your text messages, see this post by tgp
    Nope.Not the pixel.
    01-05-2017 11:33 PM
  15. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Honestly it's a big enough of an issue that I'm very close to sending the phone back.
    01-05-2017 11:34 PM
  16. Joe920's Avatar
    Nope.Not the pixel.
    Wow, what a weird omission. Apparently it sometimes does work while navigating, see the final posts here:
    https://productforums.google.com/for...o/5eJLbUUUAQAJ

    You'd think they're working on this fast, but the community rep basically says 'use the feedback hub' :)

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    01-06-2017 07:24 AM
  17. Joe920's Avatar
    Hope it's OK to quote here, seems relevant. :)

    After a week of having the Google pixel I'm not sure I'm going to keep it. I've officially been team Android, iPhone and Windows phone. Here's how I view them. IPhone is the worst of the bunch, I actually was unaware that Siri on iPhone was so far behind, not having features like automatic package and flight tracking. It's still tied to iTunes and there's a lot of basic features missing. I think of all the mobile os I've used Android is the best but really this is only because of stability. Other than multitasking android so far doesn't do anything my Windows phone didn't already do. It just does it with better apps and much more stability fine tuning. Windows phone may not be popular but overall I still think it could be the best with some touch ups. Cortana is much better than Siri and Google assistant. It can't maintain the topic like Google assistant but it is still the only virtual assistant that does people based reminders. You can type to it and it reads text messages (something android can't seem to do). The default keyboard is much worse in both iOS and Android 7.1. It can be improved but overall I found no option that matched feature for feature to Windows phone. Making the switch I expected the difference between Windows phone and others to be huge but now I see although it's rough around the edges and has little app support the os itself is better a lot of times. On iPhone i open iTunes and play music. On android I can open Google music and play music but on Windows phone I can pin my favorite albums or artist to my home screen. Same for many apps. Times just seem to work better than icons. So far I'm feeling like I may end up back with the same headaches I started with because I still think I can get more work done with those headaches.
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    01-06-2017 08:33 AM
  18. slivy58's Avatar
    Just received my second L650 and if we were to compare initial set up, installing OS updates, updating apps then WP/WM is insanely horrible compared to the competition. Took over 2+ hours to get mine set up and apply the newest update (.576). Then adding to that time we perform a hard reset and attempt to install from backup but “Sorry, no can do", my experience is that this option rarely ever works. Time again ticks off updating apps which usually ends up required several attempts to "get er done". The process is not at all smooth nor is it an "set it and leave it" affair usually requiring several interventions by the user to complete the job.

    Don't know about everyone else but IMO, that there alone is enough to turn away any potential WP/WM converts.
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    01-06-2017 02:29 PM
  19. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Wow, what a weird omission. Apparently it sometimes does work while navigating, see the final posts here:
    https://productforums.google.com/for...o/5eJLbUUUAQAJ

    You'd think they're working on this fast, but the community rep basically says 'use the feedback hub' :)

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    Tried this with no luck.
    01-06-2017 04:30 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Tried this with no luck.
    Mr. Lindsay, it sucks that you're finding "fatal" flaws with the Pixel. I've read some of your other posts and I know how frustrating it is when you think you've found a better alternative and it turns out to be not so. Too many in the press, and bloggers too, have made it a point to brainwash the public into thinking Windows Mobile is a dead end OS and to steer clear of it. The random reboots, SD card "unmounts", weird battery life - all contribute to fewer hairs on anybody's head. Hey, I'm running out of real estate so it's critical for me :-). My advice is to stay away from the Insider Builds. My Idol 4S has made incredible strides in that Cortana no longer fires up by herself. My SD card has been on its best behavior for about 2 weeks now and the battery life is insane. Add all that up and throw in what we like about Windows Mobile and it's not so bad. Package tracking is a huge deal for me so Cortana fits the bill like no other. Outlook is decidedly better than iOS or Android, the keyboard blows away any stock offering from Apple or Android and the tile customization makes it easier to concentrate on the important stuff.

    Yes, the app gap is real and it's a major sticking point for most of us. But when you put everything on the balance, the day-to-day advantages usually tip the scales favorably. It's been a major inconvenience to lose eBay, PayPal, Amazon, BBM and others but it's not like those are more important than the daily workhorses like Outlook, Calendar and Cortana.

    I hope you find what you're looking for. You sound like you've been through the wringer.
    01-06-2017 05:47 PM
  21. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Yeah, I just wish Windows 10 mobile ran as beautifully solid as the Pixel does. I swear if Microsoft actually did serious investment in w10m it would be top notch. Instead it feels like Microsoft treats Windows phones the same way Apple treats Macs lol.
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    01-06-2017 10:27 PM
  22. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Here's my overall review of the time with the Pixel. I'll most likely be returning it before the weekend is over and going back to my 950. I just bought my first Android phone. Here's what I think. - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com
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    01-07-2017 12:44 AM
  23. Joe920's Avatar
    Here's my overall review of the time with the Pixel. I'll most likely be returning it before the weekend is over and going back to my 950. I just bought my first Android phone. Here's what I think. - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com
    Holy wall of text batman! :) It's a nice writeup, and I could see feeling the same if I switched. I'm sticking around until the 128GB Pixel XL drops to $400. In other words, forever. :D

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    01-07-2017 07:55 AM
  24. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Holy wall of text batman! :) It's a nice writeup, and I could see feeling the same if I switched. I'm sticking around until the 128GB Pixel XL drops to $400. In other words, forever. :D

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    Im glad you found it thorough. I didn't even mention how much worse battery life was amidst a few other unnoted issues.
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    01-07-2017 01:28 PM
  25. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    Just received my second L650 and if we were to compare initial set up, installing OS updates, updating apps then WP/WM is insanely horrible compared to the competition. Took over 2+ hours to get mine set up and apply the newest update (.576).
    I think that can be a bit of an issue you can't get around though completely regardless of what OS you're using. If you have a company that sells a tremendous amount of phones then I'm guessing it'll be more likely that you're getting a phone that just off whatever "manufacturing line" the company uses more recently. And with more recent construction etc I'm also guessing the manufacturer will have had time to update the OS. So in other words, if MS produced X amount of phones and sold fewer than expected, then when we're buying them much later there's more for the phone to update.

    So I think that's a two-sided coin in that first of all MS said it's treating W10 as a service, where we're getting more frequent updates that include more features rather than fewer larger updates, and so along with that comes more volume in the actual updates. That's a bad thing if the phone has a lot of catching up to do, but it's a good thing once you're caught up assuming the updates are solid, because you get frequent security updates, bug fixes and new features.

    When I got my Lumia 950 it took a while to get it up to date, but once it was updated it's been more than fine, and it's gotten better with each update.

    And for the future the incremental updates should alleviate this, if I understand it correctly.
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    01-08-2017 12:29 PM
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