10-27-2016 11:38 AM
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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    So I lost PayPal. Then came BBM. Then eBay. Now Microsoft has gotten on my very last nerve.

    https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-st...s-phone-users/
    10-24-2016 09:38 PM
  2. Guytronic's Avatar
    10-24-2016 09:39 PM
  3. mary beth hale's Avatar
    So bad
    Laura Knotek and aximtreo like this.
    10-24-2016 10:05 PM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    I'm out of straws, can I borrow yours? ;)
    10-24-2016 10:18 PM
  5. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    Skype drew the shortest straw... :D
    10-24-2016 10:35 PM
  6. Player Piano's Avatar
    EBay still working for me. But yeah, I feel your pain. I recently bought an iPhone as a backup just in case this trend continues.
    10-24-2016 11:38 PM
  7. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I recently bought an iPhone as a backup just in case this trend continues.
    Check out http://toucharcade.com/ if you want a rundown of all the awesome games available to you now.
    10-25-2016 06:54 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    Skype is a basic communication medium...so that's really messed up.
    10-25-2016 07:11 AM
  9. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    The final straw... For Windows Phone 8.1? Because Windows 10 Mobile has been out officially for a year. It's expected that they'd stop supporting apps for an outdated operating system. The Skype team is focused on Windows 10 Mobile, not Windows Phone 8.1, or 7, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
    10-25-2016 09:11 AM
  10. pericle's Avatar
    The final straw... For Windows Phone 8.1? Because Windows 10 Mobile has been out officially for a year. It's expected that they'd stop supporting apps for an outdated operating system. The Skype team is focused on Windows 10 Mobile, not Windows Phone 8.1, or 7, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
    But then why is Skype still supporting Android 4.0.3, An operating system which was released in 2011? Windows Phone 8.1 was released only in 2014 and already they're dropping support. Pretty much sums up Microsoft's attitude towards Windows Phone.
    xandros9, Kavu2, a5cent and 6 others like this.
    10-25-2016 09:22 AM
  11. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    But then why is Skype still supporting Android 4.0.3, An operating system which was released in 2011? Windows Phone 8.1 was released only in 2014 and already they're dropping support. Pretty much sums up Microsoft's attitude towards Windows Phone.
    Because there are far more people on Android 4.0.3 than there are on WP8.1. From a business perspective, it makes sense to support that. It's nothing personal.
    10-25-2016 09:25 AM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    Because there are far more people on Android 4.0.3 than there are on WP8.1. From a business perspective, it makes sense to support that. It's nothing personal.
    True, but yet there are about 6 times as many people on WP8/8.1 as there are on W10M. I'm not sure user count is the issue here.
    10-25-2016 09:29 AM
  13. libra89's Avatar
    The final straw... For Windows Phone 8.1? Because Windows 10 Mobile has been out officially for a year. It's expected that they'd stop supporting apps for an outdated operating system. The Skype team is focused on Windows 10 Mobile, not Windows Phone 8.1, or 7, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
    To be fair, there are a number of phones out there that are eligible for upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile, but don't have it because the carrier didn't care to test and/or approve the update. AT&T 640 XL, T-Mobile 640, T-Mobile 435, I'm probably forgetting some.

    I know that the common answer is to just join Insider, but why should a regular consumer HAVE to do that to get an update when iPhones get them, and a number of Android phones get them without any work (or risk) required?
    10-25-2016 09:38 AM
  14. RumoredNow's Avatar
    To piggyback on the above ^ by libra89: W10M is also "opt in" via the Upgrade App and non-forum users have little chance of finding this out, further suppressing the numbers...

    To amplify what Indistinguishable is talking about: Microsoft wants to move forward with the new deal and One Platform approach.

    The two factors are at odds with each other - difficulty in distributing W10M and the need to move that forward.
    10-25-2016 10:17 AM
  15. Krystianpants's Avatar
    True, but yet there are about 6 times as many people on WP8/8.1 as there are on W10M. I'm not sure user count is the issue here.
    But it's their future for the long term. And because they are making one for Desktop anyways the developer tools were designed to make it easier for mobile. The shares are so low in windows phone in general and the negativity surrounding it is so high that all those users on 8.1 will either leave elsewhere or just have no interest in apps anyways. So for MS it's a no brainer. Windows 8.1 will get annihilated, android has such a huge market share that their kit kat users will always be present from lack of updates and being comfy with the apps they already have.

    Honestly people complain their few year old phone isn't supported anymore. Well, a bunch of my friends are huge android fans and they buy new phones almost yearly. Most of their updates may come in within a year but after that it slows down to a halt. Of course the advantage for them is that carriers allow them to do it with some extra money but not the full unlocked price at once.
    Laura Knotek, libra89, tgp and 2 others like this.
    10-25-2016 10:22 AM
  16. Player Piano's Avatar
    Check out http://toucharcade.com/ if you want a rundown of all the awesome games available to you now.
    I have no interest in games. Thanks for the link though. The iPhone is a backup plan. L950 still my DD.
    Leonel Funes likes this.
    10-25-2016 10:50 AM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    But it's their future for the long term. And because they are making one for Desktop anyways the developer tools were designed to make it easier for mobile. The shares are so low in windows phone in general and the negativity surrounding it is so high that all those users on 8.1 will either leave elsewhere or just have no interest in apps anyways. So for MS it's a no brainer. Windows 8.1 will get annihilated, android has such a huge market share that their kit kat users will always be present from lack of updates and being comfy with the apps they already have.

    Honestly people complain their few year old phone isn't supported anymore. Well, a bunch of my friends are huge android fans and they buy new phones almost yearly. Most of their updates may come in within a year but after that it slows down to a halt. Of course the advantage for them is that carriers allow them to do it with some extra money but not the full unlocked price at once.
    You are absolutely correct, assuming one looks at the situation logically. But since when has Microsoft been doing that?

    We do not know the reasons Microsoft treats mobile the way they do. We can only make educated guesses based on our perceptions. That applies here as well.
    10-25-2016 11:18 AM
  18. xandros9's Avatar
    Because there are far more people on Android 4.0.3 than there are on WP8.1. From a business perspective, it makes sense to support that. It's nothing personal.
    Android 4.0.3-4.0.4 ICS makes up 1.6% of Android's 2016 marketshare. So no, not really.

    True, but yet there are about 6 times as many people on WP8/8.1 as there are on W10M. I'm not sure user count is the issue here.
    They just don't care, that's it.
    10-25-2016 11:20 AM
  19. techiez's Avatar
    It's nothing personal.
    Reminds me of the movie Taken.
    10-25-2016 11:36 AM
  20. techiez's Avatar
    10-25-2016 11:39 AM
  21. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Android 4.0.3-4.0.4 ICS makes up 1.6% of Android's 2016 marketshare. So no, not really.

    .
    The way it works is if you are developing for kit kat users at version 4.4(27.7%) you are pretty much developing for the base OS of 4.0 and then just slapping extra features on for the newer OS's.
    But even that 1.6% from 1 billion users is still at 16,000,000 which is more than total windows phone users for 8.1/10 combined.
    10-25-2016 12:03 PM
  22. Leonel Funes's Avatar
    I'm out of straws, can I borrow yours? ;)
    I got plenty, you can have a few of mine to hold you off for now
    a5cent, Kavu2 and xandros9 like this.
    10-25-2016 12:45 PM
  23. Skamath's Avatar
    Since % is being used here, can one of you care to say what % of users are unhappy the way MS is making business sense of things?
    Please consider the app gap, stopping Lumia/MS line of phones, dropping support for their own apps while the apps were not even at par with iOS and android counterparts, the list goes on.....

    What is it to say that MS will not change their mind and say lets restart again with W10.1 or W 11?
    BMT001 and xandros9 like this.
    10-25-2016 01:29 PM
  24. Summer_Moon's Avatar
    Since % is being used here, can one of you care to say what % of users are unhappy the way MS is making business sense of things?
    Please consider the app gap, stopping Lumia/MS line of phones, dropping support for their own apps while the apps were not even at par with iOS and android counterparts, the list goes on.....

    What is it to say that MS will not change their mind and say lets restart again with W10.1 or W 11?
    You mean they were not already planning on another complete rewrite?!?!
    10-25-2016 01:40 PM
  25. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Android 4.0.3-4.0.4 ICS makes up 1.6% of Android's 2016 marketshare. So no, not really.
    Just doing some mental math here - Android is 87.7% of the marketshare. 1.6% of that is about 1.3% more total market share than WP8 & WP8.1. It's not even really close if you look at it proportionally. So yes, really.

    The way it works is if you are developing for kit kat users at version 4.4(27.7%) you are pretty much developing for the base OS of 4.0 and then just slapping extra features on for the newer OS's.
    But even that 1.6% from 1 billion users is still at 16,000,000 which is more than total windows phone users for 8.1/10 combined.
    Exactly this. Well said!
    10-25-2016 01:50 PM
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