12-27-2016 12:18 PM
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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    It's difficult, if not downright impossible, to convince someone to use another platform. We all have different needs and wants, and the different platforms all have pluses and minuses. The only thing you can do is let then see your device, how it performs, and let them make up their own minds.

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    12-03-2016 01:59 PM
  2. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    I don't know but i m satisfied with plenty of issue with WP
    HAH !!! THAT'S why I kept service on my mint condition Lumia ICON so I could keep playin with Insider builds. But my Daily Driver is a new S7edge - no problems.

    Peace. Alan
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    12-03-2016 02:05 PM
  3. petvas72's Avatar
    I don't think there is any way that an iPhone or Android user would like to switch to Windows Phone. Currently there is not a single windows phone device that can compete with iOS and Android. On the hardware level, there is no modern flagship with great quality, that would amaze people. On the software level, there is not a single app that doesn't run on iOS or Android and runs on Windows Phone. The only reason I might think of that somebody would like to switch to Windows Phone, is if he is working for Microsoft :)
    12-03-2016 02:20 PM
  4. Mark F24's Avatar
    I don't think there is any way that an iPhone or Android user would like to switch to Windows Phone. Currently there is not a single windows phone device that can compete with iOS and Android. On the hardware level, there is no modern flagship with great quality, that would amaze people. On the software level, there is not a single app that doesn't run on iOS or Android and runs on Windows Phone. The only reason I might think of that somebody would like to switch to Windows Phone, is if he is working for Microsoft :)
    People who work at Microsoft use Apple and Android according to piece I read here on Windows Central.......
    12-03-2016 03:24 PM
  5. Mark F24's Avatar
    You could very easily say the same about iOS or Android. Starting with iOS 7.0, every successive build has produced more bugs than the ones fixed by the previous version. Don't even get me started on Android. My G5's battery life has been cut to less than a half day due to Nougat and T-Mobile is sending alerts to G5 customers warning not to update. I got mine 2 days too late.

    Windows Mobile isn't perfect, far from it. But to suggest it's the only bug-infested OS is disingenuous at best.
    But they went backward from 8.1 a very functional and smooth OS to a totally unpredictable OS. I admit I really want W10M to succeed and grow, I like W10M over IOS and Android, it is simply a total let down from what I expected from it having use 7.5 and 8.1
    12-03-2016 03:41 PM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You are right that EVERY platform has its issues but is it to the extent seen on WM per each device?
    When discussing Apple it is referring to just one device because they only make one phone - regardless of display size. But that wasn't my point. Every OS has had global issues with each release for what seems 2-3 years now. I'm not talking about OEM-specific issues, I'm talking Android, iOS and WM platform-wide.
    12-03-2016 03:49 PM
  7. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    When discussing Apple it is referring to just one device because they only make one phone - regardless of display size. But that wasn't my point. Every OS has had global issues with each release for what seems 2-3 years now. I'm not talking about OEM-specific issues, I'm talking Android, iOS and WM platform-wide.
    Yes, but with iOS and Android they fix the issue pretty fast and it doesn't come back...seemingly...I think...

    Peace. Alan
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    12-03-2016 03:54 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Yes, but with iOS and Android they fix the issue pretty fast and it doesn't come back...seemingly...I think...

    Peace. Alan
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    True that. But we're not discussing QC. Android has been known to take serious hits in the public eye for not taking care of security issues with any alacrity.
    12-03-2016 03:59 PM
  9. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    True that. But we're not discussing QC. Android has been known to take serious hits in the public eye for not taking care of security issues with any alacrity.
    Point - fatclue_98

    Peace. Alan
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    12-03-2016 04:03 PM
  10. HeyCori's Avatar
    I think you're wasting your time and theirs by trying to convince them to switch to Windows phone. While the platform isn't dead yet, Microsoft has made it clear that the platform isn't for you ("you" being the general consumer). When Microsoft says they're refocusing on enterprise, that isn't a silent wink and a nod to say, "But we're really developing this OS for you." That's Microsoft embracing their niche. If a friend merely wants to know what's happening with WP, don't give them the rising from the ashes speech. Just inform them about Microsoft's current approach, and if they're cool with that, then hey you won.
    12-03-2016 04:19 PM
  11. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    I think you're wasting your time and theirs by trying to convince them to switch to Windows phone. While the platform isn't dead yet, Microsoft has made it clear that the platform isn't for you ("you" being the general consumer). When Microsoft says they're refocusing on enterprise, that isn't a silent wink and a nod to say, "But we're really developing this OS for you." That's Microsoft embracing their niche. If a friend merely wants to know what's happening with WP, don't give them the rising from the ashes speech. Just inform them about Microsoft's current approach, and if they're cool with that, then hey you won.
    Now THAT'S a WRAP !!!

    Peace. Alan
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    12-03-2016 04:48 PM
  12. Mark F24's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by HeyCori View Post
    I think you're wasting your time and theirs by trying to convince them to switch to Windows phone. While the platform isn't dead yet, Microsoft has made it clear that the platform isn't for you ("you" being the general consumer). When Microsoft says they're refocusing on enterprise, that isn't a silent wink and a nod to say, "But we're really developing this OS for you." That's Microsoft embracing their niche. If a friend merely wants to know what's happening with WP, don't give them the rising from the ashes speech. Just inform them about Microsoft's current approach, and if they're cool with that, then hey you won
    WOW!!! Out of the blue this post appeared out of nowhere and blew me away!!!

    Peace. Alan
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    And I read this post and had to look up the definition of alacrity LOL!!

    True that. But we're not discussing QC. Android has been known to take serious hits in the public eye for not taking care of security issues with any alacrity.
    12-03-2016 04:49 PM
  13. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    And I read this post and had to look up the definition of alacrity LOL!!
    Now "I" have to look up alacrity.

    EDIT>>> That's a good word! I'll keep it.

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14977.1000] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    12-03-2016 04:54 PM
  14. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    I think you're wasting your time and theirs by trying to convince them to switch to Windows phone. While the platform isn't dead yet, Microsoft has made it clear that the platform isn't for you ("you" being the general consumer). When Microsoft says they're refocusing on enterprise, that isn't a silent wink and a nod to say, "But we're really developing this OS for you." That's Microsoft embracing their niche. If a friend merely wants to know what's happening with WP, don't give them the rising from the ashes speech. Just inform them about Microsoft's current approach, and if they're cool with that, then hey you won.
    It sort of feels like with THIS post, there's no point in continuing.

    How about it Mr. OP. Care to comment on the HeyCori's post?

    Peace. Alan
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    12-03-2016 05:29 PM
  15. Vasil Dechkov's Avatar
    But I will say when you bail out from Windows Phone, you can get a little homesick. So, like a new home, you might paint a few walls, maybe some wallpaper - I went with wallpaper:

    1 S7 edge Full Dresser Windroid Home Screen

    Attachment 132482

    Peace. Alan
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    Awesome wallpaper! Can you please link or upload it?


    Sent from mTalk
    12-03-2016 05:31 PM
  16. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Awesome wallpaper! Can you please link or upload it?


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    Here you are Logo - Album on Imgur

    Logo - Album on Imgur

    EDIT>>> Can I get a "Like" man. Helps keep me up in the charts... ya' know.

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14977.1000] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.
    Last edited by Shamshi-Adad; 12-03-2016 at 05:57 PM.
    12-03-2016 05:40 PM
  17. slivy58's Avatar
    When discussing Apple it is referring to just one device because they only make one phone - regardless of display size. But that wasn't my point. Every OS has had global issues with each release for what seems 2-3 years now. I'm not talking about OEM-specific issues, I'm talking Android, iOS and WM platform-wide.
    Even if every OS has/had global issues I'm not sure "theirs" begin to compare to WP running 10, if I look back to 2010 then moving forward to today, I'm again hard pressed to write more than a few lines as to how any of my Android, iOS/Apple products, and PC w/past OS's, created such havoc and poor user experiences I'm seeing now.

    OEM is furthest from my mind since to me it is pretty evident that 10 is the root of all evils here on both WM and PC. Having just obtained a 650 that was supposedly made for 10, I'm really surprised seeing how it mirrors the poor functionality I've experienced on my 830 (speed not part of the equation here), there have been lots of WTH! moments yet can't say the same for the other platforms... Either I'm one lucky Dude that only gets the best of the best w/Android and iOS and others, then picks the rejects on WM/PC, or, Microsoft's visioning of it's newest OS is way out in left field.

    At the end of the day though, it'll come down to whether one's experience on each platform was good, mediocre or bad which will, make or break that user's perception for each specific platform. Right now and IMO, any general user venturing over to WM will find it broken with the overall experience being considerably worse compared to the other platforms.
    12-03-2016 05:43 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Now "I" have to look up alacrity.

    EDIT>>> That's a good word! I'll keep it.

    Peace. Alan
    Galaxy S7Edge [MM6.0.1] Full Dresser
    Lumia ICON [Win10M 14977.1000] Sportster
    Even when I lose, I win.

    All the propers go to my high school English teacher, Mr. George Ross - Miami Sr. High. That man pushed me harder than any other before or since. May God rest his beautiful soul. I say that because I graduated in 1981 and he was in his early 60s back then.
    12-03-2016 08:11 PM
  19. cbreze's Avatar
    I'd come back to windows phone if there was something to come back to. My Icon was awesome and my HTC M8 running windows 8.1 was even better. That seemed like a more premium device than the icon which IMO, makes the user experience seem more polished. Verizon is my carrier tho and they have almost nothing.
    But, I can run a windows type UI on my Android devices which gives me a little variety when needed.
    I thought that windows was a good platform on a phone. Sorry it didn't become more widely accepted. It just never really got off the ground in any kind of meaningful way in the phone world. A severe lack of good apps probably helped it's demise.
    So to answer the OP's inquiry, there is nothing I could say to anyone to get them to go to windows phone, there's just nothing to go to, and it unfortunately has been slowly slipping into obscurity. To bad really.
    Last edited by cbreze; 12-03-2016 at 09:23 PM.
    12-03-2016 08:55 PM
  20. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    It's difficult, if not downright impossible, to convince someone to use another platform. We all have different needs and wants, and the different platforms all have pluses and minuses. The only thing you can do is let then see your device, how it performs, and let them make up their own minds.
    If you are talking about random users, it would be very difficult. But I had very good luck when I had reason to convince people by being careful who I tried it with. And I have long stopped doing that because MS went off the rails by releasing WM10 long before it was ready. The main non-subjective benefit of Windows phones had been the rock solid nature of it. Anyway, in the good old days, I would look for people who had open minds. Then I would GIVE them a retired phone or a brand new unlocked L640. I had bought a bunch when you could get the AT&T version for a net $10 and unlock them immediately for free. Only one of them went back to iOS or Android. But that was Windows 8.x.

    I don't think there is any way that an iPhone or Android user would like to switch to Windows Phone. Currently there is not a single windows phone device that can compete with iOS and Android. On the hardware level, there is no modern flagship with great quality, that would amaze people.
    You may be overlooking that not everyone wants or can afford a flagship. There are several excellent mid range hardware options. Still, I don't recommend them to others because I don't trust what MS will do even in the short run.
    12-04-2016 07:10 AM
  21. Joe920's Avatar
    You may be overlooking that not everyone wants or can afford a flagship.
    Exacty. I joked earlier that you could make people switch by breaking their phones, stealing their money, and giving them a free 950XL. The reality actually isn't that far removed from that: people do break their phones, are not always wealthy enough to buy a new flagship immediately, and cheap, fast, secure WP phones are available.

    I wish MS would keep releasing a decent $99 Lumia annually, announce that W10m will keep being supported for x years to come (x>0), and not say things like 'goodbye consumers, we're all about businesses now'.
    Last edited by Joe920; 12-04-2016 at 08:24 AM.
    12-04-2016 07:22 AM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    There's no doubt MS is in a transition period with Mobile. Not a perfect scenario for showcasing to others. Let's see what another year brings.

    In the mean time, I am perfectly happy and will enjoy the experience of watching the changes. To me Android and ios have become boring, but I realize not everyone feels this way.

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    12-04-2016 09:14 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You may be overlooking that not everyone wants or can afford a flagship.
    As I mentioned earlier in this thread, we are enthusiasts and as such, we prefer the leading edge of performance in our devices. Your statement is the very justification of how Android became the world leader it is. Budget Androids flooded the market and they never looked back. Thank you for reminding us of how purchasing power in the hands of many can dominate a global market. I can't speak for the rest of the world but in the US, anybody can walk out of a carrier store with a top of the line phone with zero or little upfront cost. I guess cheap credit is back in vogue.

    How does this tie into the current thread? Think about it, how do you convince someone to buy an HP Elite x3 for $800 (right now) with the current app gap, when they can go to AT&T, T-Mobile or Verizon and walk away with an iPhone 7 or Galaxy S7 and not have to drop a nickel?


    By the way, what your Hoosiers did to the Tar Heels the other night was unreal.
    12-04-2016 10:58 AM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    As I mentioned earlier in this thread, we are enthusiasts and as such, we prefer the leading edge of performance in our devices. Your statement is the very justification of how Android became the world leader it is. Budget Androids flooded the market and they never looked back. Thank you for reminding us of how purchasing power in the hands of many can dominate a global market. I can't speak for the rest of the world but in the US, anybody can walk out of a carrier store with a top of the line phone with zero or little upfront cost. I guess cheap credit is back in vogue.

    How does this tie into the current thread? Think about it, how do you convince someone to buy an HP Elite x3 for $800 (right now) with the current app gap, when they can go to AT&T, T-Mobile or Verizon and walk away with an iPhone 7 or Galaxy S7 and not have to drop a nickel?
    Totally agree (especially in the U.S.). I don't know many people, like myself, who buys phones unlocked. Most hi to the carrier, get kicked into high rates, and walk out with an expensive iPhone while making monthly payments. They don't realize they're paying too much and can't leave the carrier easily for a couple years.
    12-04-2016 11:02 AM
  25. Skamath's Avatar
    I havent recommended WP to anyone since finding out that WM10 cant do this and cant do that and sure as hell cant run on Lumia x2x variants.
    There may be more cants and donts crop up and I don't want to feel that kinda hatred from it. Recommending free upgrade to windows 10 screwed my neighbours desktop ( had to clean install vista back on) and I was at loss for words. Not only did I feel the hate from the silence there but also the backlash from forum users here about why did I recommend it. LOL .Never again am I advertising/ getting carried away for/ by MS and its advances. They can spend their $$$ on selling.

    I made the switch to android and the things that I miss are glance, double tap to wakeup and a little bit of AI (OK Google!! search returns less accurate results/relevant results than Cortana) Oh and the main thing that I like about windows phone ****Drum roll**** is surprisingly not the phone or the OS it is this forum where you get answers and fixes from enthusiasts.. Simple questions that I have asked on android forums hardly got any response including WPcentral sister site android central!!! Infact I think should post the questions here ;) for getting answers ! :)
    12-04-2016 01:08 PM
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