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  1. etphoto's Avatar
    Another Elite X3 might be VZW too. Actually I am pretty sure it is. I sent a tip to Mobile Nations WC, so maybe @Daniel Rubino or someone can officially confirm it. I also found a ref doc on the FCC that says the model number change referenced as a hardware change.

    2. The only change between B94HHF606 and B94HHF606V is open CDMA and LTE B13 for
    H/W change.

    link to wi-fi.org cert
    HP is probably MS's biggest customer and I can't see HP releasing another W10M phone when the rumored ARM mobile device is just around the corner. Obviously MS is in communications with HP and if HP is releasing a 2nd gen X3 I'm guessing it will be an ARM device. Just when is the question. When Brad broke the news on his Podcast he stated there were prototype devices being used right now. Are those prototype devices HP's or MS's? <shrug>

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    06-03-2017 08:41 AM
  2. Drael646464's Avatar
    the rumored ARM mobile device is just around the corner.
    You mean WoA on tablets? Or if phones, how do you figure that's just around the corner?
    06-03-2017 08:49 AM
  3. etphoto's Avatar
    Read my previous posts.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    06-03-2017 09:02 AM
  4. nate0's Avatar
    That above model (FCCID) I listed B94HHF606 and now B94HHF606V is the Elite X3. I am unaware of any proto-type devices.
    06-03-2017 09:09 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    Read my previous posts.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    The ones that say nothing about "windows on arm", but instead a new mobile device, with a new arm based OS? (After the CEO has explicitly said "if we release a phone it will look nothing like the phones today).

    Read what has been rumoured again. It says literally nothing about "windows on arm". In fact what it says is "a version of windows mobile" more or less.

    Its about project Andromeda, and a new form factor of device running an OS that suits its novel new form factor. Ie, something that isn't a candybar slab.

    It's not about "windows on arm on a phone". The first windows on arm devices will be out late this year, not next month. And they will be tablets and laptops, not phones.

    This is something surprising and different. It has no relationship to "windows on arm", and the win32 emulation layer, as yet based on any information we have.

    And it also won't automatically make all slab devices redundant, the new FF. There's no reason why HP shouldn't release a refresh with the updated continuum MS has floating around. I'm sure it'll fold quite nicely into WoA, on a phone, when that much later happens (ie when WoA is on other stuff, and the app platform is benefiting from it).

    There are new features coming to win10m, that MS are working on with HP, late US summer. That's been officially announced direct from MS themselves. And it was basically implied that timeline, Cortana skills and all that other tasty build stuff would come to win10m too.

    I know I won't be buying their 1000 dollar plus new catergory device when it comes out, and it won't be replacing what I have any sooner than I'll be buying a HoloLens.

    I'm sure it'll be good for the platform, whatever this crazy invention is. But it's not going to put win10m on slabs out of business any more than its going to autokill samsungs smartphone business, or the surface autokilled the ipad (which it didn't its just slowly edging in there).
    Last edited by Guytronic; 07-09-2017 at 07:43 PM.
    06-03-2017 09:26 AM
  6. etphoto's Avatar
    The ones that say nothing about "windows on arm", but instead a new mobile device, with a new arm based OS? (After the CEO has explicitly said "if we release a phone it will look nothing like the phones today).

    Read what has been rumoured again. It says literally nothing about "windows on arm". In fact what it says is "a version of windows mobile" more or less.

    Its about project Andromeda, and a new form factor of device running an OS that suits its novel new form factor. Ie, something that isn't a candybar slab.

    It's not about "windows on arm on a phone". The first windows on arm devices will be out late this year, not next month. And they will be tablets and laptops, not phones.

    This is something surprising and different. It has no relationship to "windows on arm", and the win32 emulation layer, as yet based on any information we have.

    I'll quote myself,

    "If you are a podcast listener take a look at Brad Sam's (Sam's Report) latest podcast. Brad has always been a "WP is dead" dude and his latest podcast is titled "New hope for Windows Phone fans". It centers around a "mobile device" on ARM, (like others have been talking about). It was refreshing though hearing a "WP is dead" dude talking about a possible phone/mobile coming from MS in the future. "

    My previous post only was referring to what the Sams' Report was claiming. In that podcast he called it "Windows on Arm" several times. (I just listened to it again to make sure).

    In my book Mobile and Phones are the same thing. One can start calling shoes "feet coverings" but I'll continue to call them shoes.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    Last edited by etphoto; 06-03-2017 at 11:05 AM.
    06-03-2017 09:57 AM
  7. Windowsmoose's Avatar
    06-03-2017 11:22 AM
  8. dov1978's Avatar
    I miss having a smart watch and I liked the Fitbit Surge I had too. Do notifications work for all apps now or just sms and missed calls?
    06-03-2017 12:24 PM
  9. Drael646464's Avatar
    I'll quote myself,

    "If you are a podcast listener take a look at Brad Sam's (Sam's Report) latest podcast. Brad has always been a "WP is dead" dude and his latest podcast is titled "New hope for Windows Phone fans". It centers around a "mobile device" on ARM, (like others have been talking about). It was refreshing though hearing a "WP is dead" dude talking about a possible phone/mobile coming from MS in the future. "

    My previous post only was referring to what the Sams' Report was claiming. In that podcast he called it "Windows on Arm" several times. (I just listened to it again to make sure).

    In my book Mobile and Phones are the same thing. One can start calling shoes "feet coverings" but I'll continue to call them shoes.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    That's a bit weird. That would make two official statements from MSFT a lie. That WoA is coming at the end of the year, and it will be focused on tablets/laptops/servers. More likely he's wrong IMO. But either way I suppose its possible I guess.

    Would you call a 2 in 1 a laptop? You might call it a tablet, but only some of the time. At least when comparing to other tablets, you'd call it a hybrid, 2 in 1, surface, 360, convertible etc. That's the kind of form shift I am expecting, actually compared to candybar slabs, it may even be a bit more radical. It may be a phone, but people will want to call it something different from "smartphone" to avoid confusion, in the same way people call hybrids that rather than laptops or laptops, at least some of the time.
    06-03-2017 07:46 PM
  10. etphoto's Avatar
    That's a bit weird. That would make two official statements from MSFT a lie. That WoA is coming at the end of the year, and it will be focused on tablets/laptops/servers. More likely he's wrong IMO. But either way I suppose its possible I guess.

    Would you call a 2 in 1 a laptop? You might call it a tablet, but only some of the time. At least when comparing to other tablets, you'd call it a hybrid, 2 in 1, surface, 360, convertible etc. That's the kind of form shift I am expecting, actually compared to candybar slabs, it may even be a bit more radical. It may be a phone, but people will want to call it something different from "smartphone" to avoid confusion, in the same way people call hybrids that rather than laptops or laptops, at least some of the time.
    In the podcast that followed (that he did on a beach vacation) he claimed he recieved "confirmation" on that MS is working on phone hardware. He added that he didn't know if it was the long rumored Surface phone but he is guessing it is because it is coming from that team.

    I would call a 2 and 1 a 2 and 1 I guess. I call a tablet a tablet. If MS releases a 5 inch tablet that is capable of making phone calls I will call it a phone. Just like everyone else would. 🙂

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    06-04-2017 11:58 AM
  11. Drael646464's Avatar
    In the podcast that followed (that he did on a beach vacation) he claimed he recieved "confirmation" on that MS is working on phone hardware. He added that he didn't know if it was the long rumored Surface phone but he is guessing it is because it is coming from that team.

    I would call a 2 and 1 a 2 and 1 I guess. I call a tablet a tablet. If MS releases a 5 inch tablet that is capable of making phone calls I will call it a phone. Just like everyone else would. ������

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    And if it has dual detachable screens in a re-arrangeable clamshell configuration like I suspect Andromeda is (due to code folks have discovered mentioning dual gyros and a hinge value for the OS paired with this hardware)?

    See here:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/h0x0d/sta...13437551067137

    Would you still call it "a phone"? Yes, technically its a phone, but as with a 2 in 1, when speaking of tablets in general, a separate word is required to distinguish the difference.

    Attachment 135864
    (From one of MSFTs aspirational videos, and suspiciously matches the values found in the code perfectly - clamshell, dual screen, detachable)
    06-04-2017 10:09 PM
  12. nate0's Avatar
    And if it has dual detachable screens in a re-arrangeable clamshell configuration like I suspect Andromeda is (due to code folks have discovered mentioning dual gyros and a hinge value for the OS paired with this hardware)?

    See here:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/h0x0d/sta...13437551067137

    Would you still call it "a phone"? Yes, technically its a phone, but as with a 2 in 1, when speaking of tablets in general, a separate word is required to distinguish the difference.

    Attachment 135864
    (From one of MSFTs aspirational videos, and suspiciously matches the values found in the code perfectly - clamshell, dual screen, detachable)
    This would be the next step from the 3 in 1's. HP opened it up with their phablet calling it the 3 in 1 category. Why would this "new" device be any different. Just a step beyond or an improvement upon.
    06-04-2017 10:30 PM
  13. nate0's Avatar
    Now they could take it even beyond that (the 3 in 1's) and like they are stating and planning defining/pioneering a totally new category. Which is probably more of what we think and hope for...That is what has everyone wondering. Like what could this thing be or function like. With that in mind, I am really wondering if Microsoft is going to pull off whatever it is. If they do they will be running the show as it could be and should be unlike anything already available.
    06-04-2017 10:47 PM
  14. Drael646464's Avatar
    This would be the next step from the 3 in 1's. HP opened it up with their phablet calling it the 3 in 1 category. Why would this "new" device be any different. Just a step beyond or an improvement upon.
    Look at the picture attached. It's different. Its not a phablet, nor a 3 in 1. More like a phone ....bookpad? lol.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/at...ot-20-221-.jpg

    Basically it can be made super small, so its even more portable than current slabs, yet still has decent screen real estate. It may be that credit card size or larger, and it'll probably IMO come in two different sizes. Either way, it'll be smaller in the pocket versus screen real estate.

    The two halves function independently, so you can use one to make a call, the other to second screen, or use one to make a skype call, the other to have a map (as displayed).

    You could probably share one screen with a friend to play games. The exact flexibility of the detachable clamshell design is probably something MSFT has more ideas for than I do....it's definitely flexible whatever the case.

    It's basically designed for portability and multi-tasking from what I can tell. Presumably you can fold something across both screens too, or use one of the panels as a keyboard, maybe use it as a tent, for skyping someone whilst active....

    They'll be used the same tech they used in the surface book (ie the internals are distributed yet the display is "cast" across both halves)

    I wonder if it'll have inking.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-04-2017 at 11:14 PM.
    06-04-2017 10:52 PM
  15. nate0's Avatar
    Look at the picture attached. It's different. Its not a phablet, nor a 3 in 1.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/at...ot-20-221-.jpg

    Basically it can be made super small, so its even more portable than current slabs, yet still has decent screen real estate. It may be that credit card size or larger, and it'll probably IMO come in two different sizes. Either way, it'll be smaller in the pocket versus screen real estate.

    The two halves function independently, so you can use one to make a call, the other to second screen, or use one to make a skype call, the other to have a map (as displayed).

    You could probably share one screen with a friend to play games.

    It's basically designed for portability and multi-tasking from what I can tell. Presumably you can fold something across both screens too, or use one of the panels as a keyboard, maybe use it as a tent, for skyping someone whilst active....
    If it is something similar or like this, I wonder if it would be directed at Enterprise/corporate users first. I myself am an IT professional and I love W10M for that matter. But from a consumer standpoint I gravitated and sometimes still do to iOS and Android simply because they are prosumer focused first then Corporate/enterprise focused second...

    This is me wishfully thinking here...What I am hoping they do which I do not feel they can based on where things are at for now, is create this reboot for the Windows consumer first. That is why I have my hopes up on this one, and that Microsoft plays the cards in the way where they leave W10M for enterprise/corporate maybe renaming it later as mentioned before above. Then when this new category comes that is for consumers first. It is weird that they even released the Lumia x50s now that I see it, and they only did it for the fans really. Which is cool. They have a plan ahead and to keep the peace put some slabs together, when they could have saved it for another time and place. So I have feeling they will do something like what I am hoping for mobile, but I am hoping for their sake they do it sooner than later. And if they don't well they are no worse off then where they are now or headed with mobile...so I guess it is a do or die situation.
    06-04-2017 11:18 PM
  16. Drael646464's Avatar
    If it is something similar or like this, I wonder if it would be directed at Enterprise/corporate users first. I myself am an IT professional and I love W10M for that matter. But from a consumer standpoint I gravitated and sometimes still do to iOS and Android simply because they are prosumer focused first then Corporate/enterprise focused second...

    This is me wishfully thinking here...What I am hoping they do which I do not feel they can based on where things are at for now, is create this reboot for the Windows consumer first. That is why I have my hopes up on this one, and that Microsoft plays the cards in the way where they leave W10M for enterprise/corporate maybe renaming it later as mentioned before above. Then when this new category comes that is for consumers first. It is weird that they even released the Lumia x50s now that I see it, and they only did it for the fans really. Which is cool. They have a plan ahead and to keep the peace put some slabs together, when they could have saved it for another time and place. So I have feeling they will do something like what I am hoping for mobile, but I am hoping for their sake they do it sooner than later. And if they don't well they are no worse off then where they are now or headed with mobile...so I guess it is a do or die situation.
    Well I hope for something even more extreme - an xbox branded phone:

    https://aka.ms/R5c3sy

    What I pictured above might be enterprise focused. Multi-tasking is definitely an enterprise/prosumer type of feature.

    But we also know that the win10m sku, or a replacement for it, has some big changes coming based on MSFTs saying the whartonbrooks phone could not possibly get rs3. We'll likely get rs3 IMO, then they'll be changing the hardware standard (maybe for WoA).

    What they are doing there IDK. Anyones guess. But I think already win10m is a fantastic consumer friendly phone.

    Windows is familiar to people, and my mum, a total technophobe found it easier to use than her android (she made me install an imitation app launcher).

    The problem is really there I think with marketing - they marketed win8 on phones, pushed it, lost money, and then when the more evolved win10m was baked enough to be pitched at consumers they were re-entrenching. There's really nothing preventing the current platform from being consumer oriented other than marketing a bit more apps (which MSFT is working on anyway).
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    06-04-2017 11:39 PM
  17. nate0's Avatar
    There is a bit more they need to do if they want to win over current and new mobile users. Everyone is glued and stuck on the next "Android" or "i"-type flagship. Microsoft would need to shift those users and their focus over to whatever this new thing will be. Apps is one part of the equation. I am wondering if they come with some kind of slab first, that introduces aspects of the newer technology to become. The new phablet or device that has specs and appeal that grabs many users attention so they decide to just try it. This xbox-device you listed maybe (which I cannot view). Or maybe they come full throttle and put out an all new creation. It will be interesting to see what their plans are.

    EDIT: I was able to open that link. Thanks.
    06-04-2017 11:52 PM
  18. nate0's Avatar
    Well I hope for something even more extreme - an xbox branded phone:

    https://aka.ms/R5c3sy
    I upvoted this btw. I am no where close to a gamer, but imagine the xbox team teams up with the Mobile device group and Surface team?
    06-05-2017 12:00 AM
  19. Drael646464's Avatar
    I upvoted this btw. I am no where close to a gamer, but imagine the xbox team teams up with the Mobile device group and Surface team?
    Thanks! I'm not even a big gamer either.

    I just think this would be a game changer for the consumer smartphone market - even just to use as a portable "TV streaming box" for music and video.

    As a fan of MSFT platforms (being freer and more user centric than the competition, and the important that has for human innovation, as well as be as a user) - I just want to see MSFT do well. I KNOW they could if the xbox team worked with the mobile device/OS group to build an entertainment phone.

    I upvoted this btw. I am no where close to a gamer, but imagine the xbox team teams up with the Mobile device group and Surface team?
    Thanks! I'm not even a big gamer either.

    I just think this would be a game changer for the consumer smartphone market - even just to use as a portable "TV streaming box" for music and video.

    As a fan of MSFT platforms (being freer and more user centric than the competition, and the important that has for human innovation, as well as be as a user) - I just want to see MSFT do well. I KNOW they could if the xbox team worked with the mobile device/OS group to build an entertainment phone.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 07-09-2017 at 07:40 PM.
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    06-05-2017 12:31 AM
  20. nate0's Avatar
    Other platform's bad news is always good Windows Phone news ;) Check Point says Judy is "possibly the largest malware campaign found on Google Play". Seriously though, between 8.5 and 36.5 million users affected??? geesh.
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    06-05-2017 01:17 AM
  21. TunedM52's Avatar
    Just switched from att to t-mobile and used an iPhone 7 to activate. Even though the cellular speeds are so much faster, and i get features like VoLTE and wifi calling, I gave up after a few days. SIM right back into my 950.

    I just miss the start screen so much, more than I realized. Also the iOS app store is ridiculously large, not that its a bad thing, but I can see why people are leaving WP. I have ten apps on my iPhone so that was never an issue, not an app-heavy user myself.

    I have the Idol 4S on tmobile as well, but it's just so slippery and I'm so afraid to break it, even with the qmadix solution. SIM will go b/w the two depending on my mood, I suppose lol.

    Love my 950! 🎶 Never gonna give you up 🎶

    Sent from mTalk
    06-05-2017 01:24 AM
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    06-05-2017 10:17 AM
  23. etphoto's Avatar
    Just switched from att to t-mobile and used an iPhone 7 to activate. Even though the cellular speeds are so much faster, and i get features like VoLTE and wifi calling, I gave up after a few days. SIM right back into my 950.

    I just miss the start screen so much, more than I realized. Also the iOS app store is ridiculously large, not that its a bad thing, but I can see why people are leaving WP. I have ten apps on my iPhone so that was never an issue, not an app-heavy user myself.

    I have the Idol 4S on tmobile as well, but it's just so slippery and I'm so afraid to break it, even with the qmadix solution. SIM will go b/w the two depending on my mood, I suppose lol.

    Love my 950! 🎶 Never gonna give you up 🎶

    Sent from mTalk
    Brad Sams mentioned in his WP podcast that T-Mobile and MS are basically neighbors in Seattle and he speculated they are working in concert in the "new" phone/mobile hardware concept. I hope that doesn't mean some type of T-Mobile only release if some type of new hardware is going to be released.

    Sent from mTalk
    06-05-2017 10:30 AM
  24. sinime's Avatar
    The app gap is shortening up...

    We went from no fidget spinner apps last week, to having 5 in the store as of this morning! One even has Xbox support 0_o

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    http://bit.ly/CovfefeSpinner (shameless self promotion)
    06-05-2017 10:45 AM
  25. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    The app gap is shortening up...

    We went from no fidget spinner apps last week, to having 5 in the store as of this morning! One even has Xbox support 0_o

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    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=sy5SrmE7 (shameless self promotion)
    Love the name! 😂😂😂
    I'm downloading as soon as I get home.
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    06-05-2017 11:18 AM
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