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  1. Drael646464's Avatar
    The thing about the apps though, we aren't just talking stuff like Pokémon Go. But basic apps like Facebook, Telegram, WhatsApp, don't have a certain future on Windows. At any given time they could snap their fingers and say "That's it, app's getting removed and won't work anymore" and that's that. And unless you're so committed to 'Apps don't matter' that you can live in the browser, you're a bit stuck.
    Well he specifically stated he believes facebook is a disease.

    MS actually has shares in facebook. And facebook own Instagram. So I don't see either of those happening. UWP is used by more than mobile users.

    Most people don't use that many apps. For me, its not a big deal. I like that the windows store is getting more apps (which it is).

    Mobile users tend to forget, that its only the mobile centric UWPs that are properly under threat. Things like niche chat platforms, banking, and GPS based share economies. Stuff that many people are happy to live without, and often (like say airbnb or banking) have web alternatives too.

    I have something like twenty apps installed on my bb10 phone (many android), and most of them I don't ever use. Ever. I installed them thinking "great", and now I've had them for awhile, I could literally happily get by with:

    -Aviary or a photo filter app (aviary is also a web app)
    -Instagram/facebook (Actually I could live without these, I prefer to check them once a day, rather than all day). But its convenient to chuck on a filter, and upload straight away when I take a snap.
    -some kind of decent browser
    -the odd bus stop game (which UWP certain has plenty of)
    -any kind of decent map program
    -a calculator
    -MS apps - outlook, onedrive, outlook calender etc.

    I have WhatsApp, but IDK, Never use it. Just use txt, skype or facebook messenger, something common IMO.

    Even a banking app, it wouldn't really kill me to use txt/phone banking, or login on the mobile website. I don't check my balance that often.

    I'd actually rather have stuff like banking over voice. _that_ would be convenient.

    I have loads of apps that just do nothing but gather dust.

    I actually probably use more social apps and webapps on my tablet. Because I like that 1/day casual magazine type experience, than the furtive phone gazing.

    Even people that use a lot of apps, probably overestimate the importance of having a lot of them.

    Not saying apps are never a factor (some people use a lot of apps, or are heavy app users), but given what the OP said, I doubt its an issue.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 04-27-2017 at 09:27 PM.
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    04-27-2017 09:03 PM
  2. sd4f's Avatar
    Many of us who have persisted with the platform, apps aren't that big a deal. I noticed that when I was on android previously. That's probably why we can stay here without big bother.

    But, I've also noticed, that depending on your social circles, you also miss out in certain circumstances. Want to get in on a new fad, you miss out. Snapchat is a big one, it's really popular amongst young people, but there are others.

    It's kind of like how events often get organised or advertised on facebook, and we (WP users) are still using email. Other people have moved on and that's it, either you go with the flow, or stay behind. If you stay behind, you miss out. Also a matter is how it's unlikely that we'll see the next things come to the platform.
    04-27-2017 11:23 PM
  3. Drael646464's Avatar
    Many of us who have persisted with the platform, apps aren't that big a deal. I noticed that when I was on android previously. That's probably why we can stay here without big bother.

    But, I've also noticed, that depending on your social circles, you also miss out in certain circumstances. Want to get in on a new fad, you miss out. Snapchat is a big one, it's really popular amongst young people, but there are others.

    It's kind of like how events often get organised or advertised on facebook, and we (WP users) are still using email. Other people have moved on and that's it, either you go with the flow, or stay behind. If you stay behind, you miss out. Also a matter is how it's unlikely that we'll see the next things come to the platform.
    Facebook and Instagram vastly outshadow snapchat. Maybe it's because I am 39, but no one I know uses it. I doubt facebook will go the way of the dodo. And being its a specifically more temporary and thusly private medium, its doubtful you'll miss much by not being on it either (like events)

    Remember when everyone thought twitter was the next big thing? It's shrinking now. Snapchat could go the same way, when some other fad comes along. Particular now that everyone is copying its temporary/privacy feature.

    WhatsApp is a more popular platform that everyone is on these days, but anyone who has it, will have messenger as well. And windows 10 mobile users will always have messenger (because MS has shares), Instagram (shares in fb), and they'll always have skype (MS owns it, its bigger than snapchat by a long margin).

    Skype has well over 660 million users, at least over 300 million active (i'd guess more but no one seems to know about more). Facebook and insta, over 500 million each. Snapchat is like 70 mil. Only twice the now dying twitter.

    I think if I was a teenager I might care. But other companies are copying their stories feature (like WhatsApp, Instagram), and that will offer than same privacy on other platforms, removing the point of difference.

    For example over 200 million people use Instagram stories, more than snapchats whole userbase. I think WhatsApp and insta will basically end up stealing all their users.

    Fair point though, W10M users missed out on pokemon go. But are they missing much? You'd still get your underground dance party invite via facebook, and your stories features via Instagram and WhatsApp.
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    04-28-2017 12:22 AM
  4. MrockNroll's Avatar
    BOSdown I have the international 950Xl dual sim version RM-1116 and iam on T-Mobile it works perfectly and has band 12 LTE which work great inside buildings. so which cell carrier you use, either ATT or T-mobile then this rm-1116 wuill work fine. check which version there sending.
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    04-28-2017 10:35 AM
  5. BOSDown's Avatar
    Please all...
    Let's stay on point and help the OP with the choice he is trying make.

    OP I believe it's best to not opt for the "International" unwarranted version if you can cancel that it will give you time to find something that you can work with.
    Thank you for all the support guys!! The amazon order has Not shipped yet but it was only$ 300 for a brand new dual sim(which I need) Lumia 950x. Only catch is that it's the EU version from what I could figure out from theproduct code. Any way I just arrived in Dallas and hitting up a Microsoft store here locally. If I like something on the spot, then I will cancel the amazon order.

    Again thank you so much for your help and the warm welcome! I am proud to soon join the club!
    04-28-2017 10:43 PM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    Thank you for all the support guys!! The amazon order has Not shipped yet but it was only$ 300 for a brand new dual sim(which I need) Lumia 950x. Only catch is that it's the EU version from what I could figure out from theproduct code. Any way I just arrived in Dallas and hitting up a Microsoft store here locally. If I like something on the spot, then I will cancel the amazon order.

    Again thank you so much for your help and the warm welcome! I am proud to soon join the club!
    Glad to have you aboard!

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    04-29-2017 08:16 AM
  7. anon(9057135)'s Avatar
    Maybe you didn't read the OP's post. Here, I'll help. "app gap is no issue for me".

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    I did read the OP's post. Nothing in my post was ever talking about apps that Windows Phone doesn't have. My post clearly said that I'd recommend an iPhone because Microsoft currently has 94 apps on the app store. So please, before quoting posts, make sure you read twice instead of trying to pick a fight.
    04-29-2017 10:19 AM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    I did read the OP's post. Nothing in my post was ever talking about apps that Windows Phone doesn't have. My post clearly said that I'd recommend an iPhone because Microsoft currently has 94 apps on the app store. So please, before quoting posts, make sure you read twice instead of trying to pick a fight.
    Thank you for clarifying.
    Have a great day!

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    04-29-2017 10:24 AM
  9. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    I did read the OP's post. Nothing in my post was ever talking about apps that Windows Phone doesn't have. My post clearly said that I'd recommend an iPhone because Microsoft currently has 94 apps on the app store. So please, before quoting posts, make sure you read twice instead of trying to pick a fight.

    But why do the 94 apps in the iPhone store matter if the OP doesn't use apps?
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    04-29-2017 10:47 AM
  10. anon(9057135)'s Avatar
    But why do the 94 apps in the iPhone store matter if the OP doesn't use apps?
    Quote from the first post

    "I use MS everything but phone."

    Microsoft apps tend to be on iOS first & tend to have features before everyone else (Like Outlook add-ons)

    I am aware he has decided to switch to iPhone, but he asked opinions, and I put mine.
    04-29-2017 11:23 AM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    But why do the 94 apps in the iPhone store matter if the OP doesn't use apps?
    Might as well be 2 billion apps right? We're ALL aware of the app deficit as Windows users, why is it still a topic?

    To those who are new to Windows on a phone the best advice we can give is to make a list of those apps they simply can't do without and check the Store to see if they're available, what features they offer and what are the minimum requirements. Is this so difficult?
    04-29-2017 11:30 AM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    Might as well be 2 billion apps right? We're ALL aware of the app deficit as Windows users, why is it still a topic?

    To those who are new to Windows on a phone the best advice we can give is to make a list of those apps they simply can't do without and check the Store to see if they're available, what features they offer and what are the minimum requirements. Is this so difficult?
    Not difficult at all. Similar to going to an Italian restaurant and complaining they don't have Chinese food.
    Those of us on WM (should) understand the app situation and are perfectly fine with it.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    04-29-2017 01:07 PM
  13. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Hello guys!!

    I have been using android for many years and lately i have noticed a severe dicline in quality and usability. I have been wanting to switch several times bow and since i just crushed the screen on my note 5, i am seriously thinking into investing in a WP10. I have been reading up a lot and cant seem to be able to filter the crap from the truth about the future of WP. I want to jump to the platfprm now via a used lumia or something else, so when surface phone comes out i will be fully enveloped inot the ecosystem. However is there a future windows phone? Should i switch or stay android?

    Please advise, what is yiur perception of whats going on.

    P.s app gap is NO issue for me, after so many years of android and its amazing app market i have realized, everyone (be honest with yourself) uses very few apps, and for the rest we go online any way! Not to mention that 99.9% of all apps are just portals! Furthermore I am IT pro and use MS everytging but phone.
    Your biggest hurdle, honestly, is going to be device selection. At this point, due to the foggy nature of the future of the platform, there are a paucity of devices available. Your main route is largely buying refurbished/used/second hand off of eBay. Just keep in mind that the Lumia devices, the 950/950XL, were released in 2015, and since most hardware isn't supported past two to three years, you might only have a short window (pun intended) of official support from Microsoft.

    Even the most recent device, Alcatel's Idol 4S, is largely disappearing or has been pulled from most retail outlets.

    Microsoft's commitment to its own OS, outside of bug fixes, is also in doubt. If you're not really expecting new features in mobile, then you should be fine.
    05-02-2017 09:37 AM
  14. Nikolaus117's Avatar
    I love the art of Windows 10

    The Usability of everything and the universal App concept.

    Ohne buy and you can use it on every device in our home.

    i hope with Windows 10 S, Xbox One S/X, more Surface Pro devices should lead to one Windows.

    I also hope that Windows 10 will get an phone Modus so theirs only one Windows left.
    To seperated between mobile, tablet and PC etc.
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    05-02-2017 09:44 AM
  15. Kot Prada's Avatar
    1. It's not Android.
    2. It's not iOS.
    3. All my devices are on Windows.
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    05-02-2017 10:05 AM
  16. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    See, I don't get the whole, 'I'm a Windows only--for EVERYTHING--person.' Unless you work for Microsoft, why not mix and match from the best of everything?

    As a gadget enthusiast, I have a Windows desktop and an old Lumia 1520 in a drawer, but I also own a Macbook Air for portable computing, an iPhone for my personal device, a work issued Galaxy S6, and an ex girlfriend gifted me her older Sony Xperia Z2 tablet (that was given to her by Verizon, her old employer).
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    05-02-2017 10:44 AM
  17. Otto Woltke's Avatar
    Hello guys!!

    i am seriously thinking into investing in a WP10. I have been reading up a lot and cant seem to be able to filter the crap from the truth about the future of WP.

    Please advise, what is yiur perception of whats going on.
    .

    One has to figure is M$ is staying quite about the mobile, and the main branch of development has been broken off for a subset for the mobile...and the fact that M$ is now selling an Android Phone in there store...? Seems like the writing is on the wall.

    The platform is not dead, but is dying, actually more like purposely being killed off by M$.
    I say if Redstone 3 is released later this year, that might be the last update...

    Having said that I love the UI, even love the App drawer list :-)

    I would say just buy the phone and used it to your hearts content, but just come to grips that the OS has no real future past this year... I dont expect no updates in 2018, but I do expect for M$ to reboot their mobile line up.


    Windows 11 Mobile anyone?

    Truth be told, I wish M$ would just FORK and and HiJack Android!!
    05-02-2017 10:52 AM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    See, I don't get the whole, 'I'm a Windows only--for EVERYTHING--person.' Unless you work for Microsoft, why not mix and match from the best of everything?

    As a gadget enthusiast, I have a Windows desktop and an old Lumia 1520 in a drawer, but I also own a Macbook Air for portable computing, an iPhone for my personal device, a work issued Galaxy S6, and an ex girlfriend gifted me her older Sony Xperia Z2 tablet (that was given to her by Verizon, her old employer).
    For me its just consistency.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    05-02-2017 10:57 AM
  19. terdferguson3's Avatar
    Dont do it man. It's a sick and twisted world over here.
    05-02-2017 11:29 AM
  20. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    If Microsoft stays on course their Windows smart phones will be the first to become smart phone
    pocket PC hybrids a more powerful device than any smart phone. They will use a combination Of the Windows 10 mobile OS and the Ne Windows 10 on ARMS CPU Win 32 emulation software. I think they will debut in 2018 and be the "Surface business" smart phone a smart phone directed at the Business professionals not the Consumers.
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    05-02-2017 11:33 AM
  21. Davesparkey's Avatar
    I have a Hp Elite X3 it is beautifull and awesome, I love it, continuum is brilliant, and BTW try plugging a usb xbox controller into the dock and playing no gravity (window phone game that works as UWP). yes it works, in fact you would be surprised what you can plug into the usb ports, pretty much anything.
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    05-02-2017 11:39 AM
  22. sai rahul kankipati's Avatar
    I don't know.... it doesn't feel right.... because the path of W10M is unclear...and I myself have 640xl and enjoy using it but I personally think if the person coming in is a hard core windows environment fan then he should consider buying, but all the hardcore fans already have windows phone, if he is the one drop in the bucket who doesn't have windows phone but a fan, then he can go for it..
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    05-02-2017 11:51 AM
  23. Cosmin Petrenciuc's Avatar
    Hello and welcome to Windows 10 Mobile forums.

    I think you should first answer the question "why do I want to change the platform?". You wrote that you noticed a decline in quality. Are you referring to the Android application, the Android OS or the build quality of the hardware?

    You should know that if you want to experiment the cloud services that Microsoft offers you can do that just fine from an Android smartphone too.

    As others have already told you, before switching the platform make sure that Windows Store has those applications you are currently using the most.

    Right now I wouldn't advise you to buy a new Windows 10 Mobile handset. You could experiment with a used one if you can find a Lumia 950.

    You are asking about the future of Windows 10 Mobile. I don't think there is anybody right now who can give you an answer to that question. We are all waiting for the Build 2017 event in May and hoping that Microsoft will share its vision about the future of mobile.

    My advice is to wait for one more month. Maybe the situation will be more clear by then.

    Written on a Lumia 950 XL
    05-02-2017 11:54 AM
  24. quek9's Avatar
    To be honest if there was a better choice I would have been long gone. However, I haven't found anything comparable to my HP X3. Iris scanning, fingerprint reader, wireless charging, and dual sims are must have features. Apple won't do any of the features and each droid I come across have some but not all of the features that I must have. So for now, I will stick with Windows phone until something better for me comes along.
    05-02-2017 12:27 PM
  25. gar216's Avatar
    Hello guys!!

    I have been using android for many years and lately i have noticed a severe dicline in quality and usability. I have been wanting to switch several times bow and since i just crushed the screen on my note 5, i am seriously thinking into investing in a WP10. I have been reading up a lot and cant seem to be able to filter the crap from the truth about the future of WP. I want to jump to the platfprm now via a used lumia or something else, so when surface phone comes out i will be fully enveloped inot the ecosystem. However is there a future windows phone? Should i switch or stay android?

    Please advise, what is yiur perception of whats going on.

    P.s app gap is NO issue for me, after so many years of android and its amazing app market i have realized, everyone (be honest with yourself) uses very few apps, and for the rest we go online any way! Not to mention that 99.9% of all apps are just portals! Furthermore I am IT pro and use MS everytging but phone.
    Sorry, but there just isn't a reason to switch to Windows Mobile in 2017. iOS and Android offer better hardware selections. The lack of top apps may not be a big deal, until, you fine that 1 app that you need and it isn't available. Lastly, Microsoft has positioned themselves in a place that their ecosystem has a footprint on both competing platforms.
    05-02-2017 12:30 PM
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