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  1. PerfectReign's Avatar
    . same point for BB10, which beats iOS and Android all together as well, but is dead.
    You must not have spent more than five minutes with a BB10 device. I'm still trying to figure out what they were smoking when they degraded from the usable and logical BlackBerry OS 7 with the horrid and illogical BB10. We bought a few hundred Z10 and Q10 devices. They were universally hated and difficult to use. I quickly bought several hundred Samsung galaxy S6 units to replace them.

    Unsubstantiated excuses = custom ringtones
    That isn't correct. You should write Unsubstantiated excuses == custom ringtones

    Otherwise you risk telling us that the excuses ARE ringtones.
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    07-12-2017 05:28 PM
  2. etphoto's Avatar
    To get back discussion the OP meant . . .lol

    If my 735 goes out I would probably will get a used (obviously since there are no new ones) WP. I really believe MS is working on something and I would hate to switch to another platform and MS releases something.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    07-12-2017 05:48 PM
  3. Drael646464's Avatar
    Dumb customers and awesome marketing... same point for BB10, which beats iOS and Android all together as well, but is dead.

    And it's not funny. It's sad.
    True that bb10 is/was kind of solid. Very stable, true real time, intuitive gestures and of course the beautiful hub.

    It's bizzare to be how people will always try and pin a failing or success, on purely objectively better or worse feature sets etc (usually based on subjective personal experiences and opinions). Perhaps its a product of reading too many tech commenters.

    When it comes to business in general there are elements of this - better products, better ideas, but that's never the whole story. In fact its only really a portion of it. There's cultural understanding, dealmaking, marketing, opportunity, timing, even luck.

    Not sure if anyones heard of that thin lizzy product? Chick here in NZ came out with it Her partner, broke off from the company, marketed it better than the parent company, and she (the originator) went bankrupt. It was her product, it was a good product, someone else marketed it better (and made a bundle doing so). The entire difference in the magnitude of success was branding and marketing.

    The ipod, the cornerstone of apples modern successes, is a great example of this - there were better products, there were many similar products. The difference was primarily marketing and branding.

    Something MSFT, as a mixture of consumer and enterprise profit streams has never quite understood as well as purely consumer companies do.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 07-13-2017 at 12:36 AM.
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    07-12-2017 11:44 PM
  4. kleefarr's Avatar
    I have found that the last couple of Windows Phones I have used have done what I need in general.
    I am not a fan of spending £100's on the latest phone which I think is currently the 950XL.
    I was going to upgrade from my current Lumia 550 to a Lumia 640XL but sadly find that they are no longer being sold.

    So if anyone has any suggestions for a Windows 10 Phone with a 5.7" screen for approx £150 please let me know.
    07-13-2017 05:54 AM
  5. Kot Prada's Avatar
    You must not have spent more than five minutes with a BB10 device. I'm still trying to figure out what they were smoking when they degraded from the usable and logical BlackBerry OS 7 with the horrid and illogical BB10. We bought a few hundred Z10 and Q10 devices. They were universally hated and difficult to use. I quickly bought several hundred Samsung galaxy S6 units to replace them.



    That isn't correct. You should write Unsubstantiated excuses == custom ringtones

    Otherwise you risk telling us that the excuses ARE ringtones.
    The further discussion with You makes no sense for me, since I've been one year with BB Torch 9860 and 3 years on Z10 along 2 years on Z3. Good luck.

    So if anyone has any suggestions for a Windows 10 Phone with a 5.7" screen for approx £150 please let me know.
    Used 950 XL

    The entire difference in the magnitude of success was branding and marketing.
    I was trying to explain it them... even Steve Cook is till wondering how people do buy overpriced iPhones without basic functionality. And they still believe and buy. And they even have some (ridiculous, but still) arguments :D

    Unsubstantiated excuses = custom ringtones
    No worries, my friend.

    I remember the times when Apple allowed changing wallpaper and MP3 in iPhone.

    Therefore, I'm pretty sure they will allow custom ringtones ~ in iPhone 10.
    Sure, they will show You how this "unbelievable" functionality will increase iPhone's usability by 270%, will make a 1,5 hour presentation showing how custom ringtones will allow You to recognize the fact it's actually Your iPhone is calling and all the rest 20 iPhone users in the room can be calm and will have no need to check their devices immediately.

    And, sure, they will insert some scene with an iPhone user, using funny ringtone, which will lead to some ridiculous funny situation to finish this presentation.

    And, definitely, they will explain You in details what a big revolutionary step is this for Apple family.
    Last edited by xandros9; 07-13-2017 at 01:57 PM.
    07-13-2017 08:51 AM
  6. mc_razza's Avatar
    I really believe MS is working on something and I would hate to switch to another platform and MS releases something.
    Same here. I've been looking at Android phones for about six months now but yet to pull the trigger on a purchase. I'm entertaining the idea of buying a low-mid range Android as a secondary phone and get myself acquainted with the system. Like a lot of people I'm waiting to see what Microsoft has in store for mobile and whether I'm in the target audience.

    In the horrible event of a failure to my Lumia 640 I have a backup windows phone (735) at the ready. New and unopened Lumias aren't that hard to find on eBay and overseas stores so I wouldn't have problems picking up another Lumia. But eventually I will have to upgrade. The question is Windows or Android?
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    07-19-2017 12:56 AM
  7. deep308's Avatar
    The posts above just makes me wanna cry. I bought my 3rd Windows Phone an year and a half back, which was Lumia 640XL, soon after which they released 950. I wanted to get that, my dad said no. He did get me a Galaxy S6 later though, and I realized he was against the idea of a windows phone. Since then I carry two phones, I did rid of Galaxy and got a One plus 3T. Much better phone, I use the Windows Arrow launcher on it, it changes the wallpaper daily like the bing lockscreen on windows. My Lumia is still alive and I miss it a lot, though it has my primary number. I get most of my work done with the One Plus. Simple things like Facebook Messenger also isn't functional on windows. It's a shame, Microsoft took a beautiful OS like the Zune OS and left it in ruins. If Microsoft promised everything else, I wouldn't miss things like snapchat.
    There was once a light which came with the Project Astoria, but they didn't wanna continue with that providing support for everything model available.
    I is really cool how games like Asphalt 8, perform on my phone with just 1GB of RAM, considering an Android phone wouldn't be able to.
    Only in a hope that Microsoft does something about this. Yes Windows Phone fans exist. We are still alive..
    07-19-2017 01:48 AM
  8. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    "Is it worth going for another Windows Phone or is it dead?"

    It's worth it. Choose the Lumia 950 XL or HP Elite X3. You can also go with the Lumia 640 XL or Lumia 1520 as well.
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    07-19-2017 05:40 PM
  9. jasqid's Avatar
    It's dead.
    07-19-2017 09:46 PM
  10. mc_razza's Avatar
    ^^^
    It's dead if no one uses it. Clearly there are people who are still using it.
    07-19-2017 10:25 PM
  11. N8tiveT3ch's Avatar
    I might but one that runs windows 10 mobile. Currently I have the idol 4s (which I don't recommend) works right now but there are some bugs. I will go down with the ship but I really want to try a elite x3 but I don't have the funds at the moment...
    07-20-2017 09:34 AM
  12. Hophead1994's Avatar
    A friend of mine just bought a 640xl because his 735 broke. He doesn't care if the phone no longer gets updates because for the price you cant get a better phone.

    I plan on keeping my 950 until the Surface mobile comes out.
    07-20-2017 09:42 AM
  13. Will Gilliland's Avatar
    My 950XL runs buttery smooth after Fast Ring fresh install and I am very happy with it. However, with all the travel and banking I do, lack of apps gets frustrating. I used to have Android with Microsoft Band 2. I was almost completely paperless and cardless. Now, I'm back to printing boarding passes and a wallet full of cards.
    If Surface Phone comes to market, I'll probably be on board. If not, I'm eyeballing the Nokia 8.
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    07-20-2017 09:46 AM
  14. jack69453's Avatar
    My 930 is showing signs of the age. Unfortunately the 950 in my country is still about $700 USD. So I'm going to have to wait until I travel or until the 930 dies. So yeah. I still want a Windows Phone.
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    07-20-2017 09:49 AM
  15. Cosmin Petrenciuc's Avatar
    I won't buy a new Windows powered smartphone in 2017. I don't expect Microsoft or any of its OEM partners to release a new Windows 10 mobile device telephony enabled this year.

    However I like the Windows 10 home screen, I like using Cortana, I like using Edge, I like using Outlook to manage all my three e-mail accounts (Outlook, Google and Yahoo). That's why I will stick for now with my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL. And yes, how could I have forgotten this one more reason, I still like very much the pictures my 950 XL produces.

    Right now I have an issue with the current Windows 10 Mobile production build. For no logical reason, the live tiles from Facebook, MSN News, MSN Weather, Accuweather, myTube and Windows Central apps stopped updating their background image when I'm on cellular data. If I connect to WiFi all of them work just fine. But not on cellular. And I have a pretty big data limit of 8 GB monthly.

    I have already done a hard reset of my phone, and they worked correctly for about 2 weeks. After that they started again not to function. I mean for Facebook and WindowsCentral app the live tile displays the correct number of unread notifications but the background image is not updated. MSN Weather live tile remains stuck to the forecast from the last day when I was connected to WiFi. MSN News and Accuweather just display their blank, default background. MyTube just cycles through the images that it downloaded last time when it was connected to WiFi. Very, very weird. And I don't want to do a hard reset every two weeks. I have better things to do with my time than just resetting my phone.
    07-20-2017 09:51 AM
  16. NutmegState's Avatar
    It's funny we're even having this argument about the iPhone, which is clearly still alive and Windows Phone, which is on life support. Custom ringtones clearly hasn't helped much.
    The world of technology is full of inferior gadgets or items that have become popular despite the other tech being far better. This has been going on since Betamax vs VHS. The iPhone sucks but what Apple has that Microsoft does not is both mind share and great emotional marketing. The Android sucks, but to many it is an alternative to Apple. IMHO, Windows Phone OS beats them both but Microsoft lacked a strategy and a plan and did little to nothing in marketing it correctly. Yes, they tried, and then they just gave up. I blame their management. Apple was basically paying off sales people in phone stores to hock their product. The Telco's helped with marketing and promotions because they saw a potential cash cow -- Microsoft did nothing. Even with the latest 950XL -- the BS move by Microsoft to not even get the phone certified on the Verizon network says they do not get it.

    Windows Phone failed because it lacked the necessary focus. Apple made the iPhone will a full court press of emotional marketing and making it the "IT" device by even paying people to stand in line for a phone and keeping fake shortages to make look like the demand to go into a hot night club.

    The next iPhone is rumored to be over $1000+ and will have very little new features and just as crappy a battery as always but the mind share will make it a winner and Apple's marketing and the fanboys of the media will make it a success because it is the new religion.

    Microsoft lost because it did not know how to fight and had no plan.
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    07-20-2017 09:54 AM
  17. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    I'm in the same situation as "scanspeak". My lumia 1020 finally lost skype . So went to the windows store in the mall and they had no windows phones
    WHAT THE HECK
    They wrere selling Samsung Google powered phones in a windows store . Sure you can't go to a apple store to buy a wp.
    Salesman says surface might be coming out with a phone but no idea of release date
    I'm leaning to the fact that wp is a dying phone. Which is too bad. I like my wp
    Was told the 950xl is already discontinued .Should I wait for surface phone or buy a 950 or alcatel, Or go andoid. Its sad but I need skype back

    Why not just upgrade to W10?
    07-20-2017 09:58 AM
  18. Elias Georgiou's Avatar
    Hi there,

    I`ve been using a WP8.1 for years and side by side with an Asus Zenfone running Android, I much prefer it. Problem is - I notice many providers are removing their apps from the Windows Store. Bloomberg, Ebay, Caledos and others which I use almost daily, are either not there or left unupdated and some don`t work well.

    So, does it make sense to purchase another such phone in a shrinking app store and what appears to be a silent desire by Microsoft to shut off WP? Do you think its all rumours about them looking to kill the mobile version?

    I am in a shaky boat - I like iOS as an OS very much. The devices work flawlessly and are very easy to use, apps are millions. But I don`t like the constant need to use iTunes and Apple`s support and policies. Its like buying a product from a company I don`t like for their values, not for their devices. I`m not going back to Android even if I`m threatened with a gun to my forehead.
    Definitely, Windows mobile is by far the best platform, based on my tastes.
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    07-20-2017 10:00 AM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    The world of technology is full of inferior gadgets or items that have become popular despite the other tech being far better. This has been going on since Betamax vs VHS. The iPhone sucks but what Apple has that Microsoft does not is both mind share and great emotional marketing. The Android sucks, but to many it is an alternative to Apple. IMHO, Windows Phone OS beats them both but Microsoft lacked a strategy and a plan and did little to nothing in marketing it correctly. Yes, they tried, and then they just gave up. I blame their management. Apple was basically paying off sales people in phone stores to hock their product. The Telco's helped with marketing and promotions because they saw a potential cash cow -- Microsoft did nothing. Even with the latest 950XL -- the BS move by Microsoft to not even get the phone certified on the Verizon network says they do not get it.

    Windows Phone failed because it lacked the necessary focus. Apple made the iPhone will a full court press of emotional marketing and making it the "IT" device by even paying people to stand in line for a phone and keeping fake shortages to make look like the demand to go into a hot night club.

    The next iPhone is rumored to be over $1000+ and will have very little new features and just as crappy a battery as always but the mind share will make it a winner and Apple's marketing and the fanboys of the media will make it a success because it is the new religion.

    Microsoft lost because it did not know how to fight and had no plan.
    Quite a subjective set of statements. That doesn't make any of them true. Enjoy your device.
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    07-20-2017 10:09 AM
  20. infinidim's Avatar
    I have been a Microsoft mobile fan since Windows CE 1 but given all the chances going on in Microsoft currently and the lack of good support for Windows 10 Mobile (B2X support is rubbish) I will be moving to HMD / Nokia next. Good support, regular updates and looks like a really good product offering.
    07-20-2017 10:15 AM
  21. beachedwhale42's Avatar
    For me, the nail in the coffin was the Galaxy S8 Microsoft Edition. I had long ago sworn off both iOS and Android, but since WP/W10M was dead, I begrudgingly went back to Android (Moto G5 Plus). I do miss the W10M UX (though 8.1's UX was probably my all-time favorite....I only upgraded to 10M for the features), but otherwise, I haven't missed anything. One of Android's problems is that each device is so different, that one can be awesome specs and terrible hardware, and the next phone is the opposite. The G5 Plus is smooth and clean enough to remind me of the good ol' days of 8.1, but with actual developer support.
    07-20-2017 10:17 AM
  22. smallmountain's Avatar
    Microsoft would have to demonstrate a commitment to the phone far greater than they have ever shown before for me to go back. I switched from the Lumia Icon first to an inexpensive Android phone, which I passionately disliked, and then to iPhone 6S Plus. There are still things I liked better about my Windows Phone, but I have gotten used to the iPhone and dependent on it. There are things I now do on the iPhone (banking apps, things as simple as the NYT Crossword Puzzle app) that I am not going to be willing to give up to go back to Windows Phone. Microsoft has a long row to hoe and billions of dollars to invest before they are going to convince me to switch back.
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    07-20-2017 10:32 AM
  23. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Apple was basically paying off sales people in phone stores to hock their product. The Telco's helped with marketing and promotions because they saw a potential cash cow -- Microsoft did nothing.
    Exactly! Incidentally, just last week I had to go to the AT&T store to get a new sim card to reactivate my 640 after I ditched Android, and the guy there tried to talk me out of it. I wasn't making a purchase either way -- I already own both phones, so he had nothing to gain.

    I gave him an earful about how employees like him were partly responsible for the failure of WM, as they nearly refused to sell it. When I took my mom to get her a 920 back in the day, I had to insist that was what we wanted. They didn't even want to show us one (of course, there were none on display), preferring to push an iPhone or Galaxy instead. And this was not an isolated incident.
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    07-20-2017 10:35 AM
  24. mohy awatli's Avatar
    Hi there,

    I`ve been using a WP8.1 for years and side by side with an Asus Zenfone running Android, I much prefer it. Problem is - I notice many providers are removing their apps from the Windows Store. Bloomberg, Ebay, Caledos and others which I use almost daily, are either not there or left unupdated and some don`t work well.

    So, does it make sense to purchase another such phone in a shrinking app store and what appears to be a silent desire by Microsoft to shut off WP? Do you think its all rumours about them looking to kill the mobile version?

    I am in a shaky boat - I like iOS as an OS very much. The devices work flawlessly and are very easy to use, apps are millions. But I don`t like the constant need to use iTunes and Apple`s support and policies. Its like buying a product from a company I don`t like for their values, not for their devices. I`m not going back to Android even if I`m threatened with a gun to my forehead.
    07-20-2017 10:48 AM
  25. constantreader16's Avatar
    Just dropping my two cents in. I would like another Windows Phone, and I know the Alcatel has been on sale for occasion around $250, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to commit to that knowing that it likely won't be supported past this fall. I really would like the Elite x3, but not for the $700 or whatever they're asking for it right now. If someone were to put out a phone that Microsoft guaranteed would get the CShell or Windows on ARM version of Windows Mobile that comes out in the future, I would happily buy that phone, but I'd more just like to wait until the next set of phones comes out.

    In the meantime I've been using a OnePlus 3T and my 950 XL (which resets fairly often, but a lot of people say a new battery fixes that??). It works for me for now and I truthfully have issues with both phones, but oh well at this point. I get frustrated with Android (used to do ALL THE ROMS on my old Android phones) and the lack of any real choices for W10M kind of has me bummed out for now.

    Just my thoughts. I'm excited for what is rumored to be coming, but wish it were going to be here by end of year and not sometime in 2018.
    07-20-2017 11:50 AM
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