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  1. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Because the iPhone constantly reminded me of the ordeal I went through and I just wanted something that doesn't.
    Okay. Thanks, I took the cause and effect the opposite way so didn't make sense to me.
    02-03-2018 04:23 PM
  2. Xaphoon148's Avatar
    Still?
    Of course I still use my 950 XL
    What else useable is there...?
    And using a 640 as dash cam
    And a 1020 and 920 for time-lapse
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    02-04-2018 05:33 AM
  3. fat8893's Avatar
    I'm still using my Windows Phone to this day, and decided not to go back to my previous ship of Android.

    I'm currently using a Nokia Lumia 830 running on W10M FCU as my daily driver. However, I'm thinking about replacing it with Microsoft Lumia 950 and also thinking about buying the Nokia Lumia 1020.
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    02-17-2018 09:44 AM
  4. hoj1955's Avatar
    I have been with windows since 7. Lately I got a couple 640s back when they were $30. One as a backup, one as a dd. I'm hard on phones at work. Then got a 640xl when att dropped the price to $99. Really liked the bigger screen. Really liked the 640xl. When MS dropped the price on the 950xl got one of those. It's been my dd since. Running the latest insider build on it and have never had any problems with it. Got a Moto g3 cheap to try android. It's running 6.1. The phone works fine and I kinda want to like it, but by the middle of the week I can't help going back to my 950xl. I suppose I could get used to the android os if I had to. Right now WM works perfectly for me.
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    02-17-2018 11:22 AM
  5. Grey Vee's Avatar
    I just bought a bnew Lumia 930 for 100$. Had to downgrade to 8.1 I cant live with win10 bugs lol
    02-19-2018 03:33 AM
  6. neo158's Avatar
    Still using a 950XL here simply because I can.
    raycpl likes this.
    02-19-2018 04:13 AM
  7. odb9014's Avatar
    I've used Windows Mobile since way back in the Treo 650 days. It was WM and BlackBerry devices for me. Windows 7 came along and I started out with an HD7S then moved to a Focus S when my HD7S went swimming. Moved from that to a Lumia 920 then about a year or so later to a 1520.

    Dropped that in a heartbeat for a Note 4 then got a Note 5.

    Currently my daily drivers consist of an unlocked BlackBerry K1, an unlocked BlackBerry Classic, an unlocked BlackBerry Bold 9900 circa 2011/2012, and I just recently picked-up an unlocked Alcatel Idol 4S W10 to play around with. Will it replace my Android device? Not in a million years but it seems pretty decent for what it is. Hardware is great. OS has its limitations and of course the dreaded app gap is the black eye in the game.

    I've been carrying the Alcatel for the past few days. With the exception of the above downfalls, so far so good.
    Sedp23 likes this.
    02-19-2018 08:43 AM
  8. mattmossmusic's Avatar
    I'm a WP user and Verizon customer. Remember when they tried to launch the Microsoft kin phones on Verizon? They pulled them after two months, I think that's why Verizon doesn't support Windows phone so much.
    02-20-2018 12:04 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm a WP user and Verizon customer. Remember when they tried to launch the Microsoft kin phones on Verizon? They pulled them after two months, I think that's why Verizon doesn't support Windows phone so much.
    C'mon man, the Kin 2 was pretty badass for its day. It was just too different considering people were still rocking Sidekicks.
    02-20-2018 04:23 PM
  10. nate0's Avatar
    I wonder...if Microsoft would have tried their hands at Android or an Android-like OS device (even though we all think they never would), if that too would have been given up on?
    aximtreo likes this.
    02-21-2018 04:44 PM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    I wonder...if Microsoft would have tried their hands at Android or an Android-like OS device (even though we all think they never would), if that too would have been given up on?
    It may have helped, but we’ll never know.
    02-21-2018 05:07 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I wonder...if Microsoft would have tried their hands at Android or an Android-like OS device (even though we all think they never would), if that too would have been given up on?
    Why would they cannibalize their own profits? Remember, Microsoft makes money on every single Android device sold. They have zero incentive to produce their own Android handset but they're more than accommodating to sell Microsoft software for your Galaxy or Xperia.
    nate0 likes this.
    02-21-2018 07:33 PM
  13. beman39's Avatar
    I wonder...if Microsoft would have tried their hands at Android or an Android-like OS device (even though we all think they never would), if that too would have been given up on?
    no no no no no no no no no... why? it would be another ADroid phone and gawd knows we don't need any more iterations of ADroid... what they should've done is "PROPERLY" worked on windows 7-8-10 and advertised and BACKED their WM OS like ADroid and IOS did! if they had any inclination of how to do that, then WM would be a different beast therefor different outcome of today! you want/like ADroid then go buy a plethora of ADroid devices... thanks but I like my WM phone just the way it is...except with more apps and back support and more joie de vivre!!!
    02-21-2018 07:34 PM
  14. tgp's Avatar
    Remember, Microsoft makes money on every single Android device sold.
    Small technicality, but isn't it just Androids with SD cards? I believe Microsoft receives a royalty due to the FAT format, which isn't used in Android unless it takes an SD card.

    Either way, Microsoft is making a killing for no more investment.
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    02-21-2018 08:35 PM
  15. nate0's Avatar
    Hmmm. That is right. Still, was just wondering IF....
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    02-21-2018 09:47 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Small technicality, but isn't it just Androids with SD cards? I believe Microsoft receives a royalty due to the FAT format, which isn't used in Android unless it takes an SD card.

    Either way, Microsoft is making a killing for no more investment.
    That's just one of them. There's over a dozen patents that they collect royalties for. Don't feel too bad for Nokia either, they get theirs too.
    tgp likes this.
    02-22-2018 07:14 AM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    That's just one of them. There's over a dozen patents that they collect royalties for. Don't feel too bad for Nokia either, they get theirs too.
    OK that makes sense. I'm not surprised. The FAT format was the one I had heard about. There are probably companies collecting royalties from many others for things we have no clue about, such as "rectangular shape with rounded corners" or something like that.
    fatclue_98 and libra89 like this.
    02-22-2018 07:22 AM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Small technicality, but isn't it just Androids with SD cards? I believe Microsoft receives a royalty due to the FAT format, which isn't used in Android unless it takes an SD card.

    Either way, Microsoft is making a killing for no more investment.
    I think exFAT is the big royalty maker.

    It's why cheaper devices may say they only support up to 32GB cards, because they don't want to pay for the exFAT licensing.

    ProTip: Format cards @64GB and higher as NTFS which is royalty free and many OEMs throw it in.

    Source: FAQ - GenBasic™ (scroll to bottom)
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    02-22-2018 08:29 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    I think exFAT is the big royalty maker.

    It's why cheaper devices may say they only support up to 32GB cards, because they don't want to pay for the exFAT licensing.

    ProTip: Format cards @64GB and higher as NTFS which is royalty free and many OEMs throw it in.

    Source: FAQ - GenBasic™ (scroll to bottom)
    Thanks, I didn't know that.
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    02-22-2018 08:40 AM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    My parents and I were using Lumia's until my dads fell in a pool and mums 920 started disintegrating, so they have now have Samsung S8's and a Lg G6. I am still using my 950xl.

    Feedback from both have been the Android system is cumbersome to use and has too many sub menus and settings. The apps have too many adverts and their are too many homescreens (swipe left or right).

    I needed to set these up for them and concur with what they have said, its such a cumbersome operating system. Will stick to my Lumia until key apps dont have support (Instagram) as I run a business on there.
    Yeah, and every time they streamline something, they make something else more disjointed. It's a jumbled UI to deal with, and has loads of ads.

    So I hope I can either keep running my WP, or buy another when it dies - ios does seem much more orderly but I have a sort of hatred of apple. Actually not too fond of google these days either, ad creep on the search, demonitisation and limited state on YouTube, the damore thing.....
    02-25-2018 09:43 AM
  21. Drael646464's Avatar
    what are you talking about, no replacement? 950xl can be found everywhere! ebay, swappa, craigslist, Kijiji, even here in the market place...
    Actually its back in the Microsoft store. They are selling what appears to be new ones.
    02-25-2018 09:48 AM
  22. mattiasnyc's Avatar
    I'm still using my 950. I think I need a new battery, but other than that I still love it.

    The user-interface is beautiful. The live tiles are great. Camera is great. I'll switch to another OS once either the phone dies or I have to use a software that isn't supported. But I won't switch until then.
    03-08-2018 03:50 PM
  23. Joe920's Avatar
    Still on my iPhone 6S plus, but I'm taking my 950XL with me on a trip today. It's just too convenient to dump hours worth of video onto the 64GB microSD. Getting ready for some mid-air binge watching!
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    03-09-2018 11:51 AM
  24. TLRtheory's Avatar
    It is possible to move apps and data to the SD without root or needing an app on Android phones by activating "developer options"
    Turning this on and scrolling to the bottom of dev options look for "Inactive apps" then enable "Force allow apps on external storage"
    You will need to tap on any app under settings to actually move the app to SD so there is an extra step or two.

    I do this with my Sony Xperia that has limited internal storage.
    Works very well and hasn't caused any problems for me at all.

    I can post details about how to do this if it will help.
    So of course I had to put some serious time and research into this... and being that it's android, I wasn't surprised to find that it's not 100%... or even 60% for that matter.

    Tried this on my Note 8 for about a month and noticed that not only was it very partial towards the apps it let me move over to SD, it... much like any other time, wasn't taking data entirely. Figured perhaps it would favor a phone that had limited storage, so I fired up my LG Stylo 2 Plus that had 16GB of storage instead of the 64GB my Note 8 has... and that's where things got deep.

    Right off the bat, I found that there were a metric ton of non-system user installed apps I simply couldn't move to SD even after enabling the force to SD option from within Developer Options. Prism, Google Wallpapers, OneNote, Chase, Weather(3rd Party), Google Play Games (non-image), BlueMail, OneDrive, Ring, AZ Screen Recorder, US Bank, Adventure of Mana and quite a few more games absolutely refused to go... and of the games that said they'd go to SD, I noticed that moving them to SD didn't necessarily take their 500MB-2GB of data with them. Blitz Brigade; for example, reads that 0.97GB is being taken up on the external storage, yet there's still has a rather large 880.87MB data folder located under Android/data/com.gameloft.android.ANMP.gloftINHM on the phone storage... and the Stylo 2 Plus is within the same family of Nougat that my Verizon Note 8 is so it's not like it's been left behind or anything.

    Though I do believe enabling developer options isn't asking too much of people, looking deeper into this really just reinforces my point about how painful something simple like trying to redirect installs is, and how incomplete it is even digging into deeper options baked within the OS. Having a very modest 29 user installs (7 were games), I still ended up at 1.06GB rather quickly... and just like I noted before... I'd still need root access, a ext partition and Link2SD in order to remedy this. Under the same restrictions (a Lumia 650 with 16GB of storage) I was able to install 150 apps, 106 of which were games that came with data files ranging between 400MB-2GB of data... the only apps that would not go to SD were Facebook, Messenger and Skype, and it still gives me over 10GB of on-device storage to play with.

    I would say the Android counterpart is still nowhere near close to being as user friendly, efficient, effective and usable as the Windows Phone way of doing things. Even putting aside the significantly lower count of non-movable system apps, what's movable is greater in quantity, and actually takes the data with it... and I don't have to move them myself, I can just set it as the default destination.
    Last edited by TLRtheory; 03-13-2018 at 12:45 PM.
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    03-13-2018 08:25 AM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    So of course I had to put some serious time and research into this... and being that it's android, I wasn't surprised to find that it's not 100%... or even 60% for that matter.

    Tried this on my Note 8 for about a month and noticed that not only was it very partial towards the apps it let me move over to SD, it... much like any other time, wasn't taking data entirely. Figured perhaps it would favor a phone that had limited storage, so I fired up my LG Stylo 2 Plus that had 16GB of storage instead of the 64GB my Note 8 has... and that's where things got deep.

    Right off the bat, I found that there were a metric ton of non-system user installed apps I simply couldn't move to SD even after enabling the force to SD option from within Developer Options. Prism, Google Wallpapers, OneNote, Chase, Weather(3rd Party), Google Play Games (non-image), BlueMail, OneDrive, Ring, AZ Screen Recorder, US Bank, Adventure of Mana and quite a few more games absolutely refused to go... and of the games that said they'd go to SD, I noticed that moving them to SD didn't necessarily take their 500MB-2GB of data with them. Blitz Brigade for example still has a rather large 880.87MB data folder located under Android/data/com.gameloft.android.ANMP.gloftINHM... and the Stylo 2 Plus is within the same family of Nougat that my Verizon Note 8 is so it's not like it's been left behind or anything.

    Though I do believe enabling developer options isn't asking too much of people, looking deeper into this really just reinforces my point about how painful something simple like trying to redirect installs is, and how incomplete it is even digging into deeper options baked within the OS. Having a very modest 29 user installs (7 were games), I still ended up at 1.06GB rather quickly... and just like I noted before... I'd still need root access, a ext partition and Link2SD in order to remedy this. Under the same restrictions (a Lumia 650 with 16GB of storage) I was able to install 150 apps, 106 of which were games that came with data files ranging between 400MB-2GB of data... the only apps that would not go to SD were Facebook, Messenger and Skype, and it still gives me over 10GB of on-device storage to play with.

    I would say the Android counterpart is still nowhere near close to being as user friendly, efficient, effective and usable as the Windows Phone way of doing things. Even putting aside the significantly lower count of non-movable system apps, what's movable is greater in quantity, and actually takes the data with it... and I don't have to move them myself, I can just set it as the default destination.
    LG and Samsung are probably skinned heavier than any other OEM. It's quite possible that Sony, Moto and of course Pixel phones have that functionality. It wouldn't be surprising if that were the case since fragmentation has been a hallmark of Android since the beginning. There are a few features here and there that Sony offers that you can't get on a Samsung (without root anyway).

    Sent from my Acer Liquid Jade Primo on mTalk
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    03-13-2018 11:53 AM
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