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  1. jrealtor1's Avatar
    I find it very interesting that this is still a question being asked when this site and many others trumpet "Windows Mobile is Dead" and "Come on people move on, W10 Mobile is done". Not really sure of the motivation behind this question, here but since your asking, heres my take.

    "Can Microsoft still resurrect Windows 10 Mobile?"

    Let me start by answering a question with a question...Can a company that can afford to write off of over 7 billion dollars for the Nokia purchase afford to do this and still not go under? Heres another one...Can a company spend millions of dollars developing devices that never come to market or get cancelled over and over again afford to keep doing this and still stay in business? The answer is of course Yes! Microsoft has the resources and capability to resurrect anything they please...and if the resurrection is a flop...quess what, write it off! Companies that are in the same league as MS go through development cycles like this all the time and they have plenty of resources to do so, and they ways to write it off so that it doesnt completely decimate their bottom line.

    The short is Yes without a doubt!!!...and it really doesnt matter to them, from our end, if it fails or not. We dont matter. Now, the stock holders and board members, they do matter to MS, so this question really should be pointed to them :)

    Just my take...for what its worth...
    01-29-2018 10:39 AM
  2. Jcmg62's Avatar
    How hard would it be for Microsoft to change its mind on windows phone and not kill it off? And i mean 'phone' in the truest sense of the word, not a device with telephony capabilities. Is there a reason why they couldn't revive it?
    I guess if we can theoretically bring back woolly mammoths then we can bring back windows phone.

    But the bigger question here is why would we want to?

    MS need something new. Another go at windows phone isn't the answer
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    01-29-2018 10:48 AM
  3. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    Microsoft can revive Windows Phone.

    Just put Microsoft enthusiasts and loyalists first. Differentiate Windows Phone from the rest. Windows Phone was never about the apps. It was about the ecosystem. Groove Music, MixMusic, Maps, the Skype integration. This is what made Windows Phone so great. The Live Tiles were bleh; good when they worked, but then at times I think it was too much information.

    Microsoft should really study what Canonical was going to do with Ubuntu Phone, and what Mozilla was planning for Firefox Phone. Neither of those phones relied on apps. They were going to extract data from web services and display them in a creative and interesting way. Microsoft had this initially in WP 8.1 with the hub. Then they got in their own way.

    Give us something that works but don't bother us with how it works. It can be Progressive Web Apps, it can be Instant Apps, it really does not matter. Just make it work. They are never going to catch up with Android and iOS with apps so they have to commit all of their efforts with what a phone can do out of the box.

    People are still buying budget phones with a great ecosystem built in. Google gives them everything they need out of the box. And with Android Go it is even better on Oreo. Those users may install a few apps here and there, but they don't really need to. Windows Phone used to offer this before Microsoft had the bright idea of making Skype more difficult to use, and again, that People Hub; we didn't need Facebook and Twitter apps installed when the hub worked.

    If we can just use the services we need to on Edge, and it works well, that's all that is required. I might even buy a Windows device again.
    01-29-2018 10:52 AM
  4. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    I don't think they are killing it off in the way people are assuming. It's more likely that they have taken the mobile platform to its limits and at this point need a more capable framework to move forward. I mean it all depends on the way people are defining a phone and the difference between what they personally define as a phone versus something else. In my mind, anything that can make a phone call is a phone, lol.
    People do not want their PC to be a phone. Microsoft jumped the gun and tried to offer this, like a good decade before the market was ready. Maybe around 2025 or something when we have technology strong enough to make it feasible but the experimental projects that are out right now no one really cares about. How many people do you know using Samsung Dex?
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    01-29-2018 10:58 AM
  5. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    The only thing that makes no sense is they invested so much time and effort in developing a mobile platform and when it was actually beginning to become a full fledged OS in the form of W10M, they killed it.

    1. W10M today has all the features unlike WP8.1 and works fluently unlike initial 2015 builds.

    2. It's file system is probably the best.

    3. It's security and integration with Windows 10 for PC it's also among the best.

    4. It supports OTG and WiFi direct.

    KILLING IT AT NOW IS LIKE WITHDRAWING FROM THE RACE JUST BEFORE THE FINISH LINE.

    This can only be possible if they have found a better alternative due to which it made no sense to further continue the development of W10M. The new alternative will use all the developments and features of W10M. That can be the only explanation.
    We've been saying this for the last three or four years now.
    01-29-2018 10:59 AM
  6. zr2s10's Avatar
    IMO, letting it completely die is the only way for them to stand a chance. It pretty much has to come back as W10S, on a pocket PC with Phone/Messaging. Let people forget (as if that many people knew it existed), and come back all new, with a plan and actual EFFORT. However, I don't see them bringing it back. Nadella is too far up Google and Apple's collective rear-ends for that to happen.
    01-29-2018 11:02 AM
  7. spaceOpia1's Avatar
    I hung on for as long as I could. I finally had to buy a new phone out of necessity. Lumia 950XL had been as buggy as I could stand.
    I bought a Pixel 2 XL from Google.
    to be honest, the only thing I miss is the start screen from Windows Phone. Everything else is so up to date and... functioning.
    In the end, it was not a Windows Mobile versus other brands, but a move towards something that really works.
    Windows Mobile is now in such a bad shape that I came to really hate Microsoft for their lack of motivation, especially on Mobile.
    I really was a hardcore fan, but it got me blind for a long time. with my new phone in hand, I really feel like I was not seeing how inefficient Windows Mobile has become, especially because of the app gap.
    01-29-2018 11:03 AM
  8. Willgum's Avatar
    Look. You have to understand the practicality of apps. I think Windows is looking at the problem wrong. You can do EVERYTHING on a pc that you can do on any phone. That's the starting point don't make a phone make a pc. Don't make apps make full version software. Where as, you can only use an iPad for the same purposes as an iPhone. Make a phone for the same purposes as a surface with full versions Windows 10. These pocket phones are capable of running full ps4 if you build to that platform. Then integrate apps to that is not a mobile os. That's the future. Pc in a pocket doimg what you cant on a pc when you're on the go.
    01-29-2018 11:04 AM
  9. mwright53's Avatar
    I've been on Verizon the last 20 years and using a 8/8.1 Windows phone for the last four years. Today, I'm activating a 950 on Cricket and moving to 10 finally. The dream dies hard.
    01-29-2018 11:06 AM
  10. ronharding's Avatar
    At the core, it will be Windows 10
    01-29-2018 11:07 AM
  11. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    I keep hearing about apps in this conversation. You don't need apps for anything. Edge and Chrome are powerful enough that developers could find a way to tie into them and avoid developing apps. Apps could become so 2007 if Google and Microsoft were serious enough about advancing their own efforts in this space. I don't know what Apple is doing; I don't really care.

    And I only say that because I do not see Apple progressing. I don't see them pushing technology forward anymore. What they gave us in the iPhone X was a better iteration of old ideas. Facial recognition is not new. Augmented Reality is not new. These were conservative bets to differentiate the iPhone X by making it appear as though the iPhone was moving into the PC space, without them coming right out and saying it to consumers. I say this because, on the level of implementation the iPhone X handles these things, they do it with hardware you would otherwise find in a PC. But again, a lot of marketing hyperbole and not just coming out and saying this to consumers.

    On my Android I can stream music through SoundCloud and iHeartMusic without an app. I've got Twitter without an app. I have Google Plus without an app. And there is a lot more that I would do if it were worth my time, if developers would create Progressive Web Apps for those services. For example I should have email on my browser; only thing holding me back is that no one is offering notifications.

    I cannot repeat myself enough that stuff I needed MacroDroid and Tasker to do Microsoft allowed me to do on Windows Phone with Gadgets, which looked like an app but in reality was baked into Windows 10 Mobile. And Edge would simply figure out any website I needed to run with ease. Not to mention the reading mode which is something Chrome still does not do right.

    But hey, you guys want apps. Enjoy them on Android and iOS, which cannot even do a dark theme right. Apps are so yesterday. But only us nerds and geeks understand that the message has yet to get out to the masses.
    01-29-2018 11:28 AM
  12. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    I've been on Verizon the last 20 years and using a 8/8.1 Windows phone for the last four years. Today, I'm activating a 950 on Cricket and moving to 10 finally. The dream dies hard.
    I take my hat off to you. I did not have the tenacity to hold onto 8.1 that long. I would still be on 10 if it weren't for the bugs and lousy hardware support.
    01-29-2018 11:32 AM
  13. TKAtlanta's Avatar
    Duffman77 must be Jason Ward's pseudonym. Let Windows Phone die!
    01-29-2018 11:37 AM
  14. Some Gadget Geek's Avatar
    Full windows 10 in a mobile phone form factor would provide an excellent source for development. The restrictions of the current Windows 10 Mobile is too much for users; it outweighs the benefits of say, universal Windows apps. So that is probably why they're losing market share. I would suggest waiting for the reaction to the company's Andromeda foldable. It could be a game changer.
    01-29-2018 11:43 AM
  15. Mister Wolf's Avatar
    This conversation is too late. A year ago it would've been fine. Windows Phone died a long slow death. The fans didn't deserve that. Microsoft deserved to lose all that money and credibility though.
    01-29-2018 11:48 AM
  16. VARUNGUPTA16061992's Avatar
    I think they shouldn't consider mobile at all. though important but I think they never took (nor they will) take mobile seriously. it was never their first priority.
    during glorious wp years it was nokia and then hp that made wp a wonderful experience.
    bringing awesome devices to apps it was Nokia who made sincere efforts and got it right. unfortunately it costed a lot to them and they had to sell it off. after which ms just screwed it. 950 would had been a lot better if Nokia had launched it.

    And given their current Windows core initiative .. one platform had to die.. coz phone nd desktop were two different species. they couldn't be blended in current state.
    01-29-2018 11:55 AM
  17. zr2s10's Avatar
    I hung on for as long as I could. I finally had to buy a new phone out of necessity. Lumia 950XL had been as buggy as I could stand.
    I bought a Pixel 2 XL from Google.
    to be honest, the only thing I miss is the start screen from Windows Phone. Everything else is so up to date and... functioning.
    In the end, it was not a Windows Mobile versus other brands, but a move towards something that really works.
    Windows Mobile is now in such a bad shape that I came to really hate Microsoft for their lack of motivation, especially on Mobile.
    I really was a hardcore fan, but it got me blind for a long time. with my new phone in hand, I really feel like I was not seeing how inefficient Windows Mobile has become, especially because of the app gap.
    Try "Launcher 10" for Android. Not perfect, but easy to implement if you really miss the layout. It's like Windows 10M, but with apps! lol
    01-29-2018 12:03 PM
  18. GreyFox7's Avatar
    They can make as many "phones" as they want with a Windows flavored mobile OS the result will be the same until they address the App Gap issue. No UWP doesn't address that issue because people that want phone apps want apps that are available and successful on other phones to replace that which they already have and no UWP app fits that bill, at best they are poor substitutes.

    The one thing they could do to make a Windows Mobile phone successful is give it an Android subsystem that would run Android apps and a mechanism to conveniently get them. That's it, anything else will fall into the same void every prior effort fell.

    There is no game changing, disruption event coming that will materially alter the outcome.
    01-29-2018 12:25 PM
  19. egonunes's Avatar
    Well, the question to me lies on 2 remarks:
    1- I completely distrust Microsoft for consumer products on the mobile...
    2- therefore I will not spend my money on any new MS hardware, and I mean ANY.
    So, as long as the revival does not imply new hardware I do not why not. It's just to charge and use my old MS phones.
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    01-29-2018 12:26 PM
  20. JaySeeDoubleYou's Avatar
    I think Win10Mobile and [quote unquote] "Windows Phone" as we know it is likely beyond any kind of hope.

    However, that does NOT mean that I believe that we are left bereft of any kind of hope for any kind of DEDICATED Microsoft or "Windows" presence in the mobile space (meaning, as opposed to Microsoft just riding piggy back on Android or Apple.)

    I'm basically a "Jason Wardian" when it comes to the future of mobile in the ecosystem. I believe we'll see something at least similar to his "ultra-mobile PC with telephony" that is initially geared for Enterprise and extreme prosumer. I think we'll see it this year or next. Then, if it can build any momentum at all, and not just die on the vine, then I believe in maybe another two or three years, it'll work its way back into the consumer space, where it may succeed or may fail.

    If it does not succeed, then that's probably it for MS in the mobile space. If it does succeed, I imagine that success to be modest, at least for the short to medium term.

    It's gonna ba a long, slow, difficult climb out of a hole which is primarily of Microsoft's own making. But it's not utterly impossible. Only it will not be Windows Phone in its current form. That, I'm afraid, is passing away.

    If this new paradigm emerges, and turns out to be anything worth a damn at all, then in either 2019 or 2021, I may well take the plunge.

    The good news for me is that if this is not the case, at least I've found a place I should be able to be happy with long term - #teampixel ! It marries most of what's good about Android to something reasonably approximating what's good about Apple. The absolutely perfect middle-ground is a Unicorn, which doesn't exist. But I really believe that is reality's closest approximation to such a mythical beast.

    I'm still cheering for Surface, don't get me wrong. And under the right circumstances, I'm even willing to still take a chance on Surface, I think. But I really think I can be happy with Pixel should that never happen, or else happen, but be a dud.

    Cheers!
    01-29-2018 12:43 PM
  21. Game_Over's Avatar
    Too late, they already sacked the core phone experts.
    they only have surface team cant help on phones and that's why they don't want to call this foldable thing a phone so it wont get compared to a phone and be a failure.
    01-29-2018 01:13 PM
  22. Mister Wolf's Avatar
    I hung on for as long as I could. I finally had to buy a new phone out of necessity. Lumia 950XL had been as buggy as I could stand.
    I bought a Pixel 2 XL from Google.
    to be honest, the only thing I miss is the start screen from Windows Phone. Everything else is so up to date and... functioning.
    In the end, it was not a Windows Mobile versus other brands, but a move towards something that really works.
    Windows Mobile is now in such a bad shape that I came to really hate Microsoft for their lack of motivation, especially on Mobile.
    I really was a hardcore fan, but it got me blind for a long time. with my new phone in hand, I really feel like I was not seeing how inefficient Windows Mobile has become, especially because of the app gap.
    I hear ya, I have myself to blame for being blind. Generally though, I used to love what Microsoft does. I had about 4/5 Windows phones. I had two surfaces. Now the only thing I own is the Xbox, which is also in a crap place.

    I do live in hope that they will sort themselves out, but I will never trust them again.
    01-29-2018 01:31 PM
  23. Vertigo X's Avatar
    Try "Launcher 10" for Android. Not perfect, but easy to implement if you really miss the layout. It's like Windows 10M, but with apps! lol
    I'm actually using Microsoft Launcher (formerly Arrow) and am finding it to be refreshing when used in the vertical setup. Swiping left or right brings up pages I choose (News on the left and Activity on the right) and swiping up and down keeps me on the normal pages with apps and widgets. Aside from lacking the square background of the tiles, the icons and widgets accomplish the goal admirably.

    I also use an app called 'Swipe Pad', where you can swipe from a chosen side of the screen (left, right, or bottom) to bring up a drawer of shortcuts that you can access from anywhere.
    01-29-2018 02:55 PM
  24. fjbeiderbecke's Avatar
    I moved to iOS after trying Android. I still think that WM10 is superior to iOS and Android but it is all about the apps. The apps I use most were not present on WM10 or they were links to a website. With iOS 11 I have a usable OS with some very excellent apps. I think it is a waste to try again unless they can get app parity with iOS 11 and Android (or maybe the top 100 apps on the platforms).

    To me the 950 XL was a disappointment. I was hoping for more. In my opinion, the 1520 was the best phone/camera they made.
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    01-29-2018 04:39 PM
  25. markeboyle's Avatar
    It's never too late. PWA will help. Just use all those profits from the android lisencing and we're off to a good new start
    01-29-2018 04:45 PM
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