1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If BB10 was still being developed, even slightly, I might still be with it.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    First party apps were never a strong suit of BlackBerry even on Legacy OS but 10.3.3 was just released a couple of months ago. Mostly bug fixes, better browser and NIAP certification but the Android Runtime is world's better since its update late last year. It's pretty solid especially with Blend if you're on any version of Windows pre-Anniversary Update.
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    04-18-2017 06:02 PM
  2. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    When you don't feel like dealing with cultural norms so its back to BlackBerry for a bit.

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    Everyone just look at this phone and drool at the thought of Windows Mobile and live tiles across the screen and then using Word and Excel with that keyboard. A keyboard that doubles as a mouse and volume buttons that can be used as camera buttons. Just awesome.

    I haven't used my Passport in months but I still keep it charged and can't get myself to sell it. It is literally brand new. Coolest phone ever that only needs Windows Mobile and a better camera and it would have been the best phone ever.

    I wish they didn't go Android, if a Blackberry OS was still an active thing I would probably go there at this point.
    04-18-2017 07:55 PM
  3. editguy's Avatar
    8,000 similar posts and no-one cares? That's one hell of a straw-poll! Perhaps it also explains why so many users walk away from Windows Phone, I guess.
    Why should we care about ad nauseam posts? We've heard it over and over again, there's nothing new. It's not life and death. They've decided to switch to a different platform. If that's what they want and what works for them, then I wish them the best of luck. Would us caring keep them from walking away?
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    04-18-2017 09:51 PM
  4. Drael646464's Avatar
    https://kerv.com/en/

    Well good for you :)

    It's news to me anyone over 18 uses snapchat. And I mean that, it's interesting to learn new things. Clearly adults have begun copying the teenagers as they tend to do.

    BTW, you can get NFC contactless payment cards, including mini cards that you can stick to the back of your phone, and you can, as of this year, get contactless payment smart rings (you pre-load them with cash - NFC ring, and Kerv). So one doesn't really need that feature on a phone at all. Personally I reckon the ring is kinda cooler. You don't have to reach into your pocket.

    I think a banking app is all I'd miss really, if I went to current windows 10 mobile. But I'd use a webpage probably. Not that I have ever used it, nor likely ever will, I'm waiting for windows on arm, Cortana bot intergration before I switch to windows for a mobile device.

    If they had a watch so I didn't have to carry around a glass brick and could operate most of everything via voice, I think I'd be super sold. But I am expecting some real power in this department to be available next year. I'm waiting to move the other way. I'm like MS, I don't see current style of slabs, and their attendant small screen touch only apps, lasting that much longer. I see more voice, and more form convergence happening real soon.

    But you know, if I was one of those people who used a swiss army knife of social apps all day, I'd probably feel the same as you. I don't even text that much, I probably email more often on my device. I check my social media 1 per day, like reading a magazine. Occasionally I meet someone who insists on WhatsApp, but honestly I find that a bit weird. If your going to avoid text for some weird reason just use messenger. everyone has it. Insisting on some niche platform just seems like someone demanding that I use blackberry messanger or something.

    Actually I do use navigation in my car quite a bit. BB10's maps seems to be strides ahead on traffic prediction, and its sooo much quicker than google maps. Of course its a dead OS now :P I don't exactly use voice activation for it. I just set my destination before I start driving, and it calls out directions (so theirs no need to see the map).
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    04-18-2017 10:04 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Everyone just look at this phone and drool at the thought of Windows Mobile and live tiles across the screen and then using Word and Excel with that keyboard. A keyboard that doubles as a mouse and volume buttons that can be used as camera buttons. Just awesome.

    I haven't used my Passport in months but I still keep it charged and can't get myself to sell it. It is literally brand new. Coolest phone ever that only needs Windows Mobile and a better camera and it would have been the best phone ever.

    I wish they didn't go Android, if a Blackberry OS was still an active thing I would probably go there at this point.
    I'd be ecstatic if they updated the ART to Android 5.0 so I could use newer apps not currently supported.
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    04-19-2017 02:43 PM
  6. to_be_announced's Avatar
    Why should we care about ad nauseam posts? We've heard it over and over again, there's nothing new. It's not life and death. They've decided to switch to a different platform. If that's what they want and what works for them, then I wish them the best of luck. Would us caring keep them from walking away?
    You apparently cared enough to come into this thread and post.
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    04-19-2017 04:04 PM
  7. TgeekB's Avatar
    It just gets old after a while. There is certainly nothing wrong with differing opinions but, since this is a Windows fan site, you would think the majority of posts would be questions and responses, helpful information, news about the OS, you know stuff like that. Instead its negativity, Windows phone is dead threads, and this. Its time to add a bit more positivity and helpfulness to the conversations. At least that's how I feel.

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    04-19-2017 05:02 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'd be ecstatic if they updated the ART to Android 5.0 so I could use newer apps not currently supported.
    Is there really a chance that could happen?

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    04-19-2017 05:08 PM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Is there really a chance that could happen?

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Unfortunately I doubt it, since BlackBerry is selling Android devices now.
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    04-19-2017 05:23 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Is there really a chance that could happen?

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Seriously doubt it, Lollipop did away with Dalvik. Unless a genius like Cobalt steps in, we're stuck with apps from 4.3. But hey, it's still a boatload more apps available than what we have on Windows...for the time being.
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    04-19-2017 05:23 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Unfortunately I doubt it, since BlackBerry is selling Android devices now.
    Actually, BlackBerry is only licensing their brand and software but I get your point. Who knows, with the extra time they have on their hands maybe there might be some future work on OS10. John Chen did promise the 10.3.4 update sometime next year. Oh BTW, he also said the check's in the mail.
    04-19-2017 05:29 PM
  12. Drael646464's Avatar
    It just gets old after a while. There is certainly nothing wrong with differing opinions but, since this is a Windows fan site, you would think the majority of posts would be questions and responses, helpful information, news about the OS, you know stuff like that. Instead its negativity, Windows phone is dead threads, and this. Its time to add a bit more positivity and helpfulness to the conversations. At least that's how I feel.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    I reckon forums are a bit like reviews. People either give reviews because they love or hate something, they don't bother if they just found it good enough. So if you go to like IMDB, most movie reviews will be one or the other. Same with people on forums like this, you get the fans and the complainers. Bet you'd find the same on android central or similar.

    It is unfortunate however people are so encouraging and supportive of hyperbolic negativity here atm. They make out like Microsoft itself is somehow flailing because it doesn't have a successful little glass slab.

    Which is nonsense, MS has had quite the upturn since Nadella got in, and the new vision is attractive new young early tech adopters, creatives and business alike to the hardware, and ecosystem. Indeed, I don't think I can remember a time when Microsofts vision, follow through, or internal development has been so exciting.

    Plus little pocket slabs are a limited lifetime affair. If that weren't true, everybody in the tech industry wouldn't be competiting for the next things.

    These are competitive times, but competition brings out the absolute best in a company. Those at the absolute top, lack the hunger to drive them to make customers happy, and they tend to build walled gardens. I find current MS to be an inspiring model of tech business - a company that aspires not merely to success or innovation, but to a value - bringing useful software power to consumers, and being the best at doing so.

    Honestly I've been in the past quite luke warm to the company. I've always used it, but I've never had this level of excitement about the companies future, nor faith in its direction. This negativity seems to be from people who live very much in last years tech innovations, who fail to see the big picture of technology, nor how tech has already changed over time.

    You want a company who is hungry and visionary, like early apple. You don't want a company like mid success blackberry or IBM, who is fat and full of its own hubris. Any platform could be dead in the water in a few years, if replaced by something else, with support dropped like a brick. When the iPhone 1 was release, BB OS was king of the smartphone. IBM used to make PC desktops and CPUs. Now they are a software company primarily. Things change real quick.

    And that's why I find MS new values re-assuring. This is a company with a future. I cannot actually say the same for apple. They are entirely invested in the iPhone 1 for profit, and have nothing much else to show at the moment, should the slab be superceeded. Maybe they have ideas up their sleeve, but Siri is also behind in the conversational game. And apple is the biggest profit tech company period, with a totally robust app platform. But so was nokia the king of its time. So was IBM the king of its time. And at one stage apple was the young hungry company, at one stage on the brink of liquidation, which nothing but big ideas, and a CEO, Jobs who said his strategy was nothing more than "wait for the next big thing".
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    04-19-2017 11:35 PM
  13. anthonyng's Avatar
    While its not perfect, I love Windows 10 and using my SP4 and Idol4s. I won't let anyone take this experience away from me. If MS turns the lights out, I'll make a decision but, until then, I will continue to use what works best for me and hope that MS has new exciting things coming soon.
    Yup really great experience using my 950XL, SP3, S3 and my work laptop Lenovo T460T all interchangeably.
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    04-20-2017 02:41 AM
  14. Sven_Van_de_Velde's Avatar
    I am a microsoft fan for years...

    I bought a Nokia 1520 about 4 years ago, and was completely sold by WP 8.1.

    Then, WM10 came, and subscribed to be a windows insider.
    I think I have been on the feedback app every day about 10 - 20 minutes on average, searching for info, or just providing feedback in long articles or just drop a short note. Adding pictures on the feedback and commenting on others feedback was no exception. I did all of that with my Nokia 1520, testing WM10... This for about 1,5 years now, if not 2 years ...
    So in total I think I spent about 30 days (assuming to be free at least 10 hours a day) in total on the feedback app...

    I liked to phone so much, that during December I got it repaired, changing the battery and the USB port (which was broken). It costed me 72€.

    Now ...

    The news came that Microsoft is letting the Nokia 1520 go... Not more supported. This news comes out of the blue from nowhere. The Nokia 1520 will not receive anymore the creators update... Microsoft tells that in a one liner with "a sorry" saying that the "experience" of Nokia 1520 is not optimal on the creators update. Sorry but this is b***t.
    The experience was fine.

    It is just competely and utterly crazy what Microsoft is doing. Do they understand how to reach their customers? Do they understand that people are WILLING to buy a mobile phone??? That people are WILLING to spend time and develop apps for it? And that before they take such a decision, that they THINK carefully what DAMAGE such a news brings to loyal Microsoft customers? Not even a warning was given, nothing !!!!

    I also own a Lumia 950XL, and was planning to buy another one for my son.
    But now after this news, I think Microsoft has lost all credibility for me.
    If I would get the chance to ask a few questions to the CEO of Microsoft,
    I would ask him the following questions, in a respectful manner:

    1. How important is Windows Mobile 10 for microsoft towards the future?
    2. What devices can be expected to run WM10 in the future?
    3. When is microsoft going to do to win back the trust of their own growing frustrated loyal customers.

    And I hope his answer will not be around Cloud... Because that means he does not know what he is talking about. Believe me. Mobile is NOTHING to do with Cloud.

    On top, Microsoft has then the arrogance to release a media news announcement that Windows 10 was tested by "millions of windows insiders" ... (What are they smoking).

    Well, my take on this would be as follows: If microsoft indeed has millions of loyal insiders, what is the problem then releasing a quality new mobile device, that runs WM10, and that would be promoted through the windows insiders popularity?

    I think the whole Microsoft company is completely going down. It is completely on the wrong road. They just don't understand that WM10 is the future! Mobile devices are the future!
    And they are not a player, and they will never be a player if Microsoft continues like this.

    Where is hololens? Who wants to buy it anyway. Where is surface phone? Where is the capability to run native windows apps on the mobile? Where are the devices from the "partners"? Where is the commitment from Microsoft towards Windows Mobile devices and their own mobile platform?

    Sven
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    04-21-2017 03:54 AM
  15. Drael646464's Avatar
    Boy that's a lot of questions. HoloLens is still in development, in a sort of insider program.

    Windows on ARM will likely eventually replace windows 10 mobile. That seems to be everyones best guess right now. They have be porting features of windows 10 mobile, into windows 10 proper, like calling, texting, mobile hotspot. Because win32 runs on an emulation layer, it will probably require quite high end hardware to run properly. ie, more or less new.

    As I understand it, there is a hack somewhere around these parts, for spoofing another device, such that you get the creators update. So if that's what you are after, then you might be able to get what you want - the update, and the one after.

    Commercially speaking, Microsoft have less than 2-5% marketshare in mature markets. Surpisingly they've had a small spot of growth in those markets, but that is after years of lost ground.

    Whereas by comparison they have solid market growth in tablets against their competitors (fastest growing segment), and have lost ground to chromebooks in laptops an area where they still have dominance.

    I think the main priority is to push into those markets, particularly budget tablets and laptops, where their is momentum and very good odds of success - if they can capture a large share of tablets, two in ones, and stylus enabled laptops - then that will be good for the windows store.

    If they can kill the chromebook, and capture decent tablet marketshare - then there will be a viable demand for touch based "UWP" apps, and more development on the platform AND THAT, would open the possibility of taking on the big boys again. The same apps you use on your phone.

    You see the google play store has 2.8 million. The windows store has 700,000. They have a bit of catching up to do, its a complex problem you can't just throw money at.

    Basically its a matter of focusing on fighting the battles you know you can win. Which I know isn't great for current windows 10 mobile users. That said, bb10 devices under blackberry receive no feature updates. They released new phones, -themselves- like a year ago, and its been dropped like a rock. No roiling updates, no love, and no official statement. Sheer rejection. At least there are _some_ updates to windows 10 mobile, even if on limited devices, that's more that some other companies would do.

    I'm sure apple was just as hard on its risc chip customers when they pulled a similar strategy to current micrsoft before the ipod (cut costs, slim down, invest in future technologys, or as steve jobs put it "wait for the next big thing)

    I reckon, have a look around here and see if there's a way you can get the update. As I understand it, its possible, and if that is at least part of your grievance, you might be able to get some satisfaction.

    Nobody knows exactly whats happening to windows 10 mobile, other than MS seems to have some kind of convergence planned into windows 10 proper. Probably windows 10 on arm.

    But it likely won't happen, or be announced this year, because MS has pressing issues in markets it needs to win, in order to have a robust app platform. This may it should be announcing windows cloud. Windows on arm is supposed to be arriving for tablets/servers/laptops or something late this year.

    Because sadly, not many desktop users seem to use UWP apps! I use them on desktop and on tablet, but MS needs those numbers, those higher numbers of users, to get developers to write apps. Writers need audiences to survive.

    And with not enough apps, its hard to sell smartphones.

    BUT If MS can win back budget laptops, and continue to grow in tablets this year - gain some real ground, I think we can put smartphones back on the table personally. If it makes those wins, UWP will grow faster.

    Right now, MS's strategy is to keep making plays, like windows on arm, and windows cloud, try to develop the next step (like the upcoming Cortana bot intergration, or hololens), and hope it finds the right footing to tackle the problem of the smartphone market.

    I'm not trying to invalidate anything you have said. I've been a blackberry user, I know exactly what having a great platform dropped feels like.

    But at least MS, has some games afoot, to try and claw its way back. I'm quite optimistic about windows cloud and windows on arm - budget is the only other growth sector in tablets, "ink" makes windows cloud quite attractive next to ChromeOS for education - if windows can make LTE enabled, long battery life, thinner, cheaper tablets, hybrids and laptops, it could easily conquer that market, or at least make serious headway. And that would definitely mean a lot more UWP app development. And that would open up mobile in a way, it isn't right now.

    Indeed if Windows could have dominance, or decent marketshare in tablets, as well as laptops, desktops and servers - that would make it far easier to leverage into the phone market. It's not stupid, its kind of clever.
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  16. Nathan-NL's Avatar
    Your phone is no longer supported, but I assume you have already upgraded to the Creators Update. If that is the case you will keep receiving cumulative updates.
    04-21-2017 09:19 AM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Here we go again...

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I am a microsoft fan for years...

    I bought a Nokia 1520 about 4 years ago, and was completely sold by WP 8.1.

    Then, WM10 came, and subscribed to be a windows insider.
    I think I have been on the feedback app every day about 10 - 20 minutes on average, searching for info, or just providing feedback in long articles or just drop a short note. Adding pictures on the feedback and commenting on others feedback was no exception. I did all of that with my Nokia 1520, testing WM10... This for about 1,5 years now, if not 2 years ...
    So in total I think I spent about 30 days (assuming to be free at least 10 hours a day) in total on the feedback app...

    I liked to phone so much, that during December I got it repaired, changing the battery and the USB port (which was broken). It costed me 72€.

    Now ...

    The news came that Microsoft is letting the Nokia 1520 go... Not more supported. This news comes out of the blue from nowhere. The Nokia 1520 will not receive anymore the creators update... Microsoft tells that in a one liner with "a sorry" saying that the "experience" of Nokia 1520 is not optimal on the creators update. Sorry but this is b***t.
    The experience was fine.

    It is just competely and utterly crazy what Microsoft is doing. Do they understand how to reach their customers? Do they understand that people are WILLING to buy a mobile phone??? That people are WILLING to spend time and develop apps for it? And that before they take such a decision, that they THINK carefully what DAMAGE such a news brings to loyal Microsoft customers? Not even a warning was given, nothing !!!!

    I also own a Lumia 950XL, and was planning to buy another one for my son.
    But now after this news, I think Microsoft has lost all credibility for me.
    If I would get the chance to ask a few questions to the CEO of Microsoft,
    I would ask him the following questions, in a respectful manner:

    1. How important is Windows Mobile 10 for microsoft towards the future?
    2. What devices can be expected to run WM10 in the future?
    3. When is microsoft going to do to win back the trust of their own growing frustrated loyal customers.

    And I hope his answer will not be around Cloud... Because that means he does not know what he is talking about. Believe me. Mobile is NOTHING to do with Cloud.

    On top, Microsoft has then the arrogance to release a media news announcement that Windows 10 was tested by "millions of windows insiders" ... (What are they smoking).

    Well, my take on this would be as follows: If microsoft indeed has millions of loyal insiders, what is the problem then releasing a quality new mobile device, that runs WM10, and that would be promoted through the windows insiders popularity?

    I think the whole Microsoft company is completely going down. It is completely on the wrong road. They just don't understand that WM10 is the future! Mobile devices are the future!
    And they are not a player, and they will never be a player if Microsoft continues like this.

    Where is hololens? Who wants to buy it anyway. Where is surface phone? Where is the capability to run native windows apps on the mobile? Where are the devices from the "partners"? Where is the commitment from Microsoft towards Windows Mobile devices and their own mobile platform?

    Sven
    You have a three-year-old phone. Exactly how many Androids of the same vintage are getting their respective new OS updates (Oreo)? Go ahead, I'll wait. Even the iPhone 5 and 5C which were released the same year as the 1520, or slightly ahead, have been dropped from getting the newest upcoming update from Apple.

    The only Lumia owners who have any legitimate beef about not getting the CU are 950 owners and they ARE getting it.
    04-21-2017 05:00 PM
  19. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    Gotta agree with Mr. Clue on this one. The 1520, while still my favorite, is just an old phone now.
    04-21-2017 05:24 PM
  20. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    I am a microsoft fan for years...

    I bought a Nokia 1520 about 4 years ago, and was completely sold by WP 8.1.

    Then, WM10 came, and subscribed to be a windows insider.
    I think I have been on the feedback app every day about 10 - 20 minutes on average, searching for info, or just providing feedback in long articles or just drop a short note. Adding pictures on the feedback and commenting on others feedback was no exception. I did all of that with my Nokia 1520, testing WM10... This for about 1,5 years now, if not 2 years ...
    So in total I think I spent about 30 days (assuming to be free at least 10 hours a day) in total on the feedback app...

    I liked to phone so much, that during December I got it repaired, changing the battery and the USB port (which was broken). It costed me 72€.

    Now ...

    The news came that Microsoft is letting the Nokia 1520 go... Not more supported. This news comes out of the blue from nowhere. The Nokia 1520 will not receive anymore the creators update... Microsoft tells that in a one liner with "a sorry" saying that the "experience" of Nokia 1520 is not optimal on the creators update. Sorry but this is b***t.
    The experience was fine.

    It is just competely and utterly crazy what Microsoft is doing. Do they understand how to reach their customers? Do they understand that people are WILLING to buy a mobile phone??? That people are WILLING to spend time and develop apps for it? And that before they take such a decision, that they THINK carefully what DAMAGE such a news brings to loyal Microsoft customers? Not even a warning was given, nothing !!!!

    I also own a Lumia 950XL, and was planning to buy another one for my son.
    But now after this news, I think Microsoft has lost all credibility for me.
    If I would get the chance to ask a few questions to the CEO of Microsoft,
    I would ask him the following questions, in a respectful manner:

    1. How important is Windows Mobile 10 for microsoft towards the future?
    2. What devices can be expected to run WM10 in the future?
    3. When is microsoft going to do to win back the trust of their own growing frustrated loyal customers.

    And I hope his answer will not be around Cloud... Because that means he does not know what he is talking about. Believe me. Mobile is NOTHING to do with Cloud.

    On top, Microsoft has then the arrogance to release a media news announcement that Windows 10 was tested by "millions of windows insiders" ... (What are they smoking).

    Well, my take on this would be as follows: If microsoft indeed has millions of loyal insiders, what is the problem then releasing a quality new mobile device, that runs WM10, and that would be promoted through the windows insiders popularity?

    I think the whole Microsoft company is completely going down. It is completely on the wrong road. They just don't understand that WM10 is the future! Mobile devices are the future!
    And they are not a player, and they will never be a player if Microsoft continues like this.

    Where is hololens? Who wants to buy it anyway. Where is surface phone? Where is the capability to run native windows apps on the mobile? Where are the devices from the "partners"? Where is the commitment from Microsoft towards Windows Mobile devices and their own mobile platform?

    Sven
    You haven't had to buy new phone for 4 years, and you're mad that it isn't getting any more updates?? Also, you can always just hack the registry and jump right onto the new updates if it's that big of a problem for you to not have them.

    Why wouldn't Windows 10 have "millions of windows insiders" between phone, PC, and Xbox?
    04-21-2017 05:40 PM
  21. nCogNeato's Avatar
    After 10 years of exclusively using Windows Mobile/Phone, I recently decided to purchase an Android model.

    I was just about to pull the trigger on a Moto G5 Plus, but then heard about the upcoming Nokia 6. I'm going to hold onto my Lumia 1520 for another month until the Nokia 6 releases in the US.

    If/when Microsoft finally gives us a "Surface Phone", I'll happily retire whatever Android model I'm using at the time.
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  22. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    I hate to say it, but I think my time on this platform may be winding down.

    Why?

    It's not the platform. I still LOVE how everything I want to see on my phone is close to the surface and the stuff I don't want isn't in my face. I like how smooth and seamless it is as I move throughout my day and from phone to PC and back.

    It's not the apps. I honestly don't need or use many.

    I came to Windows Phone in 2013. I've used many phones from Lumia and others. I've liked the hardware, the OS right up into W10M and the experience (for the most part).

    When I first came to Windows Phone these forums were filled with complaints about apps. Where are they all? Why don't we have x, y, z? Why doesn't Microsoft throw money at developers to bring apps here? Why does the developer want me to pay for their app? Why aren't all apps free? How can I cheat and install paid apps for free?

    Windows Phone peaked for market share in late 2014 and early 2015. It was never big in the US, but several European and Asian countries had double digits for % share of mobile. In January of 2015 I started an initiative to help encourage developers by getting them an annual bonus. Buy an App Day was borrowed from webOS Nation and the premise is simple: one day every year is set aside for users to buy as many apps as they can. This way the user base makes their presence felt in one big mass, developers get money and encouragement and we hopefully keep the whole ball rolling...

    And the silence was deafening. Few people cared or participated. With 7 weeks time pushing the concept in the forum we only had 9 participants including myself. 9 out of the thousands that come here daily. The view rate on the thread was low as well. Users didn't want apps, at least not if they had to pay for them and they didn't want to support developers with even $0.99. I was saddened for the future of our platform after the effort closed.

    Fast forward to July of 2016. Lumia has been officially buried. No first party phones are coming until whenever "Surface" decides to surface. The 950/XL, the 650 and the 550 all underwhelmed and the user base was here posting again. Where are the phones? Why aren't they subsidized? I don't like the prices. Where are the other OEMs? Why can't I get 1st gen, top tier spec for $300 or less?

    Nuans Neo launched their kickstarter campaign. Their goal was $725,000 to cover the costs of certifying in various countries so they could sell outside of Japan. MSRP on the phone was $400, but early pledges could snag it for $270. They only received 489 pledges for a total of $142,368 or about 1/5 of the goal. My pledge was one of the 489 and I made it early on. The whole campaign was surrounded by negative comments from the user base. Ugly, bulky, not high enough spec, not a low enough price...

    Say what you want about the Neo, ugly or beautiful, but it is one of the most unique phones we've ever seen. Not only did it not get out of Japan, we soured them on the platform and their next device will be Android.

    And now this... I don't even want to get into the negativity and complaints. They are out there, go look at them if you want. It's just more of the same. Even the Executive Editor is infected now.

    Why should developers and OEMs support us? We clearly don't support them. I don't care what you personally bought, how much you paid for it or what you think you are owed. This is my opinion. As a whole, the user base is stingy and apathetic. They like to sit around complaining about how it is all dissolving rather than doing something about it. If there was any money in this for anyone, wouldn't the developers and OEMs come get their share?

    Y'all sit around talking about chickens and eggs. I tell you what, we don't lay any golden eggs and that's why there are no chickens.

    I've had it. I really can't take it any longer after seeing the rush to boo and hiss Cerulean off the stage when they are simply trying to help the platform stay viable or to even grow down the line. This will likely be my last hurrah with Windows Phone.

    I think I'm taking my $300 I'll get back when the Cerulean Indiegogo closes and getting a Sony Xperia X so I can put it on Sailfish.

    Happy sailing, y'all.
    As a BlackBerry refugee this post really resonated with me. I share your frustration - both over the current Windows Mobile situation and over my dearly departed BB10.

    There are a lot of parallels between the BB10 and Windows Phone story. So many, in fact, that it's uncanny.

    I'm marooned with an iPhone SE right now. It's great to have apps, and I am able to get more done with it overall than on a BB10 phone. But it's lacking in so many other ways.

    My dream device doesn't yet exist. For years I've wanted a smartphone-sized device that I can pair with tablet, laptop, or desktop hardware and that is powerful and flexible enough to drive a full-featured experience with each form factor.

    Continuum is the closest I've seen to making that dream a reality. I've been patiently waiting for Microsoft to deliver on the full potential that Continuum represents, but it's obviously not important to them. That's extremely frustrating. But I'm used to being frustrated by tech companies that don't recognize or realize the full potential of their own products.

    I might still get another Windows 10 Mobile phone (I've owned a Lumia 950 in the past). The fact that Continuum currently supports Remote Desktop and TeamViewer does make it useful enough for my needs.

    If there is ever a phone-sized device running Windows on ARM that can run x86 apps in a Continuum-like environment, I will throw my money at it and buy it in a heartbeat.

    But I agree, with the lack of interest shown by even the most devoted fans, why would Microsoft want to put any more resources into the platform?
    libra89, RumoredNow and aximtreo like this.
    04-25-2017 11:19 AM
  23. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    If BB10 was still being developed, even slightly, I might still be with it.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Ditto.
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    04-25-2017 11:23 AM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Ditto.
    Times 2
    04-25-2017 01:16 PM
  25. anthonyng's Avatar
    The fact that Continuum currently supports Remote Desktop and TeamViewer does make it useful enough for my needs.
    I use this so much, love it.

    They just need to give us windowed continuum mode so that the non uwp apps can still open up. Though not horrible since I could still use them on my phone, but would prefer just leaving the phone docked and with screen black and using continuum 100%
    04-25-2017 01:31 PM
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