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  1. faisalbaba's Avatar
    We are all waiting for surface phone and some say's it will be next big thing in phone after iPhone in 2007 but what if apple's next iphone will be revolution in phone.
    Your views
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    06-28-2017 08:54 AM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    I think it could be the next big thing but with limitations. A lot of things are focused around apps.
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    06-28-2017 09:22 AM
  3. mtf1380's Avatar
    I believe the reason MS is being so closed mouthed about what is on the horizon, is so that Apple/Android don't get wind of it and bet them to the punch:)
    06-28-2017 11:13 AM
  4. faisalbaba's Avatar
    I think it could be the next big thing but with limitations. A lot of things are focused around apps.
    What limitation?

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    06-28-2017 11:24 AM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    What limitation?

    Sent from (IOK)
    I mean limitations in actually being adopted by a good number of people.
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    06-28-2017 11:33 AM
  6. Keeptechcoolandsimple's Avatar
    imo, the phrase "next big thing" no longer applies to apple. they no longer innovate. pretty much every "new" thing that came to the iphone that isheep declared revolutionary had been done before on other platforms.
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    06-28-2017 11:41 AM
  7. faisalbaba's Avatar
    imo, the phrase "next big thing" no longer applies to apple. they no longer innovate. pretty much every "new" thing that came to the iphone that isheep declared revolutionary had been done before on other platforms.
    Right but because of 10 anniversary apple may want to bring new thing in mobile and also in india,I didn't other countries there event is live streaming in tv also

    Sent from (IOK)
    06-28-2017 12:37 PM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I keep hearing this. The question will remain, what will entice people over to Windows Mobile? You can make the best looking phone. Chock if full of great tech but if it doesn't let you do something with your friends or family, forget it.

    This is the issue. You or some tech person might go 'wow'. Even the everyday Joe/Jane might go 'wow' but at the end of the day it's the sociability of the tech is what makes people use their phones on a daily basis.

    So if MS comes out with the Surface Phone, it won't matter if it doesn't have that effect. Windows phone fans might like it and maybe some enterprises (because I believe that's their aim now) but the rest of the user base won't care.

    That's IMO and I'm not trying to be pessimistic I'm just a realist.
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    06-29-2017 10:16 AM
  9. Keeptechcoolandsimple's Avatar
    I keep hearing this. The question will remain, what will entice people over to Windows Mobile? You can make the best looking phone. Chock if full of great tech but if it doesn't let you do something with your friends or family, forget it.

    This is the issue. You or some tech person might go 'wow'. Even the everyday Joe/Jane might go 'wow' but at the end of the day it's the sociability of the tech is what makes people use their phones on a daily basis.

    So if MS comes out with the Surface Phone, it won't matter if it doesn't have that effect. Windows phone fans might like it and maybe some enterprises (because I believe that's their aim now) but the rest of the user base won't care.

    That's IMO and I'm not trying to be pessimistic I'm just a realist.
    true... that's why msft needs to focus on app parity if it wants to succeed in winning back the consumer mindshare.
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    06-29-2017 11:24 AM
  10. faisalbaba's Avatar
    Right but if Microsoft bring something new innovation in phone,will not it help Microsoft to gain market share

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    06-29-2017 11:30 AM
  11. techiez's Avatar
    I keep hearing this. The question will remain, what will entice people over to Windows Mobile? You can make the best looking phone. Chock if full of great tech but if it doesn't let you do something with your friends or family, forget it.

    This is the issue. You or some tech person might go 'wow'. Even the everyday Joe/Jane might go 'wow' but at the end of the day it's the sociability of the tech is what makes people use their phones on a daily basis.

    So if MS comes out with the Surface Phone, it won't matter if it doesn't have that effect. Windows phone fans might like it and maybe some enterprises (because I believe that's their aim now) but the rest of the user base won't care.

    That's IMO and I'm not trying to be pessimistic I'm just a realist.
    I think MS would also agree with you and thts the reason they wont target consumer space, their next device will be the one that enterprises would buy en masse
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    06-29-2017 11:30 AM
  12. MDK22's Avatar
    IF the rumored next big thing were to be a 6" phablet
    • a modernized version of the Lumia 1520
    • 32 GB w micro sd support
    • 3-4 GB RAM
    • supports LTE 5


    • with a stylus / pen
    • running Win32 (64?) apps
    • with wireless charging
    • Lumia quality camera
    • Tap to Pay (NFC enabled)
    • BONUS >> fold out screen
    • a tad smaller than the Lumia 1520 (same thickness, too thin, meh)
    • Waterproof (or minimally water resistant)
    • with whatever Gorilla Glass that will NOT shatter
    • with DEV support for apps (latest & greatest >> Xamarin)
    • or possibly a sandboxed Android emulator


    I'll be all over that.
    Last edited by MDK22; 06-29-2017 at 01:20 PM.
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    06-29-2017 01:10 PM
  13. PerfectReign's Avatar
    with DEV support for apps (latest & greatest >> Xamarin)
    Ahh, Miguel FTW
    06-29-2017 02:32 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    I keep hearing this. The question will remain, what will entice people over to Windows Mobile? You can make the best looking phone. Chock if full of great tech but if it doesn't let you do something with your friends or family, forget it.

    This is the issue. You or some tech person might go 'wow'. Even the everyday Joe/Jane might go 'wow' but at the end of the day it's the sociability of the tech is what makes people use their phones on a daily basis.

    So if MS comes out with the Surface Phone, it won't matter if it doesn't have that effect. Windows phone fans might like it and maybe some enterprises (because I believe that's their aim now) but the rest of the user base won't care.

    That's IMO and I'm not trying to be pessimistic I'm just a realist.
    Agree. Its not just the hardware, its the ecosystem (same thing I said about BB10 and used to get ridiculed about it. What happened? They were forced to go Android).
    The advantage MS has is enterprise. I predict it will take a loooong time for this to even have a chance in the consumer market. People can say what they want about Apple and Google, but I don't think MS is a threat to them any time soon.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    06-29-2017 04:36 PM
  15. j m robin's Avatar
    I could see them doing something like that - wouldn't be the first time either (Surface Studio)
    06-29-2017 04:51 PM
  16. etphoto's Avatar
    Agree. Its not just the hardware, its the ecosystem (same thing I said about BB10 and used to get ridiculed about it. What happened? They were forced to go Android).
    The advantage MS has is enterprise. I predict it will take a loooong time for this to even have a chance in the consumer market. People can say what they want about Apple and Google, but I don't think MS is a threat to them any time soon.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Who would have thought MS would be a threat to the IPad 6 yrs ago?

    I've said this a million times. MS doesn't need an IPhone or Andriod "killer", just a reasonable market share.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
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    06-29-2017 05:51 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Who would have thought MS would be a threat to the IPad 6 yrs ago?

    I've said this a million times. MS doesn't need an IPhone or Andriod "killer", just a reasonable market share.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    That's very true. They have done an excellent job with the Surface lineup. They have done so by targeting the high-end device market and profiting from it. While share may increase over time, it will remain a niche (not a threat) which is fine. I believe they are 2 different devices for different users.
    The mobile market may be different, but as I said I believe they will do a similar thing and target corporate and high-end users. Mobile is a different animal though. Most people don't need a pocket computer. Why have both a Surface tablet and a Surface phone? I somehow can't wrap my head around it but we will have to see in 5 years or so what pans out.
    Fun to think about and discuss!

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    06-29-2017 06:01 PM
  18. Drael646464's Avatar
    I think smartphones have pretty much peaked.
    Hardware, software, the lot. There's no real innovation. Moore's law is broken. There's no real compelling motive to buy this years model over last years model.
    And the marketshare of the big companies has stalled, whilst budget is on the rise. In established markets, I think we will see some negative growth very soon.

    For while all they were adding was better cameras. But at the top end, it looks like that's peaked too. Software wise the economy and the form factor are both serious limitations. The only outstanding quality software typically comes either for enterprise, or as first party software from the OS makers themselves.

    I don't think there is a next big thing. I think its pretty much done.

    Cloud based machine learning products seem to be about all that can be added. And that's a separate product.

    Unless its a completely new technology, or a different style of device, the "hay days" of slab candybar smartphones are in the past.

    Actually on that note, I can see apple changing things up a bit over the next few years. They might drop the ipad mini. Focus on enterprise and budget ipads (which they have already started).

    And in time, they might do the same with the iPhone - and simultaneously start investing in other product areas more - smarthome, AR/VR etc..

    And it may be some time before we see the sort of mass adoption we did with smartphones, with newer, more innovative products of other classes either. Smartphones were more an exception than a rule in that respect. Usually it takes longer to catch on.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-29-2017 at 08:21 PM.
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    06-29-2017 08:11 PM
  19. Drael646464's Avatar
    Who would have thought MS would be a threat to the IPad 6 yrs ago?

    I've said this a million times. MS doesn't need an IPhone or Andriod "killer", just a reasonable market share.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    Yeah, that's true. MSFT clearly wants in on the smartphone market, but they don't really need a consumer run away success. They just need something maybe five percent of people are interested in. A place to grow from.
    06-29-2017 08:12 PM
  20. Guytronic's Avatar
    IMO:
    Smartphones are done as far as design/features.

    A new type of interface between user and device will be next I believe.

    Technology in a slab is getting boring.
    Of the platforms available for purchase right now they are essentially all the same.
    Phone manufacturers tout or market their devices as some sort of breakthrough.

    Face it...smartphones are stuck to the ceiling and won't bring forth anything that causes us all to faint.
    The industry has finally stalled which is why Microsoft has backed away.
    06-29-2017 09:39 PM
  21. Drael646464's Avatar
    IMO:
    Smartphones are done as far as design/features.

    A new type of interface between user and device will be next I believe.

    Technology in a slab is getting boring.
    Of the platforms available for purchase right now they are essentially all the same.
    Phone manufacturers tout or market their devices as some sort of breakthrough.

    Face it...smartphones are stuck to the ceiling and won't bring forth anything that causes us all to faint.
    The industry has finally stalled which is why Microsoft has backed away.
    That's more or less what I said, and I agree.

    They may try and sell us AR features, or dual cameras, microphone arrays and the like, but yeah, generally its done. Until someone invents something actually innovative at least.

    IDK why "near touch", camera gestures, stylus and voice control haven't received more focus. Input methods could still come a long way.
    06-29-2017 09:49 PM
  22. faisalbaba's Avatar
    That's more or less what I said, and I agree.

    They may try and sell us AR features, or dual cameras, microphone arrays and the like, but yeah, generally its done. Until someone invents something actually innovative at least.

    IDK why "near touch", camera gestures, stylus and voice control haven't received more focus. Input methods could still come a long way.
    We have to wait which company will bring something new in phone.

    Sent from (IOK)
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    06-30-2017 12:27 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    IMO:
    Smartphones are done as far as design/features.

    A new type of interface between user and device will be next I believe.

    Technology in a slab is getting boring.
    Of the platforms available for purchase right now they are essentially all the same.
    Phone manufacturers tout or market their devices as some sort of breakthrough.

    Face it...smartphones are stuck to the ceiling and won't bring forth anything that causes us all to faint.
    The industry has finally stalled which is why Microsoft has backed away.
    I'm not going to disagree with you, I'm all for innovation and new ways of doing things.

    The thing here is that if you can perceive a way of doing on the go personal computing that's easy to use, easy to carry, not fussy and 'does what you want' and not end up with a rectangular slab with a glass front I'd be surprised. People like simplicity. Anything that comes out that's not easy disappears off the market quickly.

    I'm reminded of some things I've heard about how we perceive things and the gradual way in which things come in makes us not realise what we have.

    I've lived through the times where computers, internet and mobile technology have all come in gradually into our lives. Though I've become comfortable with all this tech and use it daily, I have my moments when I think, wow... this is amazing.

    We don't appreciate what we have and that's sad. We get 'bored' easily. We think there's always something better around the corner. Why not step back and realise the world you're living in is amazing and was basically science fiction not too long ago.

    We are living in that world that people dreamed about in the 50/60's we just don't appreciate it.
    06-30-2017 01:43 AM
  24. karelj's Avatar
    "I've lived through the times where computers, internet and mobile technology have all come in gradually into our lives. Though I've become comfortable with all this tech and use it daily, I have my moments when I think, wow... this is amazing."

    Kinda the same here, but now I just think "I wish this **** would work better!"
    MSFT's focus on making mobile the same experience as that of your desktop is fraught with peril. I prefer my phone to be a 'go between' device..as in I can use it in a pinch, but not as a replacement for my PC. I want a mobile OS not a hand held PC because the UX/UI to really make a handheld PC a seamless experience is still in the dream/planning stage. Nothing I have seen from anyone - and this includes MSFT's Fluent Design - comes close.
    06-30-2017 01:58 AM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    I'm not going to disagree with you, I'm all for innovation and new ways of doing things.

    The thing here is that if you can perceive a way of doing on the go personal computing that's easy to use, easy to carry, not fussy and 'does what you want' and not end up with a rectangular slab with a glass front I'd be surprised. People like simplicity. Anything that comes out that's not easy disappears off the market quickly.

    I'm reminded of some things I've heard about how we perceive things and the gradual way in which things come in makes us not realise what we have.

    I've lived through the times where computers, internet and mobile technology have all come in gradually into our lives. Though I've become comfortable with all this tech and use it daily, I have my moments when I think, wow... this is amazing.

    We don't appreciate what we have and that's sad. We get 'bored' easily. We think there's always something better around the corner. Why not step back and realise the world you're living in is amazing and was basically science fiction not too long ago.

    We are living in that world that people dreamed about in the 50/60's we just don't appreciate it.
    Technology isn't the be all and end all for making us happier though is it?

    In that same time period we've seen crime rise, suicide rise, and communities drift further apart with people getting colder to each other. We've seen noble experiments in cultural blending turn into high tensions. We've seen marriage and long term relationships turn into a statistical dumpster fire.

    We could have levitating cars, mega-AI, and teleportation and that wouldn't make the world nessasarily a better place, just one filled with easy conveniences.

    In many ways the focus on consumer goods, is as much a symptom of a need for distraction from a grindy workplace, and a disconnected community, with a constant background hum of "it's probably all going to go to poop eventually". That urge for a technological utopia, while we march into brave new world, bladerunner, animal farm, the matrix and 1984.

    Of course all this will sound like I am trying to Debbie downer your optimism. I'm not really, I;m just suggesting that consumer driven technology, currently tends to create technologies that we have to adapt to, and often do so poorly. For example, high internet use has now been positively correlated with suicide risk in a few major studies. Under 25's when given the choice of 30 minutes with no cell phone, with nothing to do, and an electric shock - basically all chose the electric shock.

    We COULD design technology that enhances and adapts to our natural human condition. And in doing so, we COULD create a utopia - where nano-manfacturing and machines do our labour, where communication is made personal, intimate and real. But generally speaking it seems humans have so little time, to contemplate, that their understanding of themselves is so deeply lacking, that they don't actually understand what the human condition IS, well enough to engineer a society, or technology for the benefit of that condition.

    Or perhaps they are just too worn and tired to care. Or conditioned to think in other ways. Whatever the case, there are good reasons why revivalism, and nostalgia is at an all time high, and things that are passing, and part of our history, that were quite worthy of a moments appreciation.

    Like an ability to tolerate, and enjoy silence. Independence from things. Dinner with the family. Asking for butter from your neighbour, and getting help, rather than everyone drawing their curtains.
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    06-30-2017 02:29 AM
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