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  1. ROBBIE HALL's Avatar
    Hey Brian. Think I have an idea. Try wiping the SD card. Place about 500-1000 songs back on your card. Make sure groove is listed as a background app. Let those index. After the first 500-1000 successfully index try another 500-1000 and continue that way until all are loaded.
    Maybe groove can't read all 45k one time. So maybe bit by bit would work.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    01-18-2016 05:33 AM
  2. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    What does a person do with 45000 songs?
    Breaks Microsoft software apparently.
    01-18-2016 09:19 AM
  3. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Little update...
    Deleted all music from the Music folder on the card
    Put the card back in the phone
    Ran Groove
    Went to Songs, select all, Delete
    Soft-reset phone
    Re-added music to card
    Soft-reset phone again
    Opened Groove (all music that was in the library previously showed up again instantly)
    Eventually Groove started adding to the library again
    BUT, according to the toast message it is only adding while the screen is on?!?
    So I hooked it up to my HD-500 docking station which seems to keep the screen on the phone on
    Groove seems to add around 10 songs a second to the library so theoretically it should be done in an hour and an half... stay tuned
    01-18-2016 09:31 AM
  4. BigMark641's Avatar
    I will mention that I was able to load all 75 GB of my music on an SD card in my 950, so there is hope. (I don't remember it taking too long or having issues, but it was over a month ago.)

    I started with an empty SD card, and connected my 950 to my PC to load the music onto it, so that may be the best way to do it?

    Also, is it possible that you have the filter set to only show "Streaming" music, so it is hiding a majority of your music?

    Best of luck!
    -Mark
    01-18-2016 10:12 AM
  5. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    I feel your pain Brian (great name BTW). I have been struggling with a ton of music as well with Groove on a Windows phone.

    Windows Media player sees all my music perfectly (after years and years of tweaking, all my music files are tagged perfectly with embedded artwork and all other information to a T). Groove sees about 80% of it correctly on the workstation. On the phone, it only sees about 40% of it correctly. I brought it all into Groove on the desktop to see if it would fix my phone issues. Nope.

    And to those that ask why you need so much music? If you have to ask, you will never understand. Don't diss a guy because he has so much music. Music is art. When you go to a museum, do you just look at the one Picasso in the building every time you go there, every day, for the rest of your life? Or do you look at all art and take it in?
    01-18-2016 10:18 AM
  6. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    I haven't tried using the Windows Phone app for Desktop. I've just been throwing the card in a USB card reader on my Desktop and using File Explorer to copy the files into the Music folder. My understanding is that all the app does is bypass your needing to know what folder things needs to go in. I'm curious though if by doing it that way if Groove didn't need to build its library the way its building mine. When you launched Groove did you not have a message at the top indicating the songs that were being added? My card has read speeds of up to 90MB/s but slower write speeds (15MB/s I think). How does that compare to yours?
    01-18-2016 10:26 AM
  7. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    I get the message in Groove that it is adding music.

    I use Robocopy to copy the entire Music folder from internal drive to SD card. On the Windows Phone, it builds a completely different library than on the desktop/laptop it seems. Don't know why.
    01-18-2016 10:53 AM
  8. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Are you saying you use robocopy from the command line on your desktop to copy the files to your sdCard? Any reason you do taht over just copy\paste in File Explorer?
    01-18-2016 11:15 AM
  9. ROBBIE HALL's Avatar
    Try using easy (WiFi) trasfer

    If I helped you, please hit the THANKS button!
    01-18-2016 02:19 PM
  10. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    Robocopy is faster. Much faster. I am also an I.T. Guy and I like to view the matrix. :)
    01-18-2016 02:53 PM
  11. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Thanks for the tip... I'll try that next time although I am assuming the limiting factor in the process is my cards write speed.
    01-18-2016 03:54 PM
  12. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Doesn't appear to work in Windows 10 Mobile. I set it to 2017 and then launched Groove w/out the 'there's a problem' prompt and uninstall option.
    Hmm.. just re-read your post.

    2017 won't work, it has to be 2106 or something as 2017 is not that far off lol.
    01-18-2016 05:26 PM
  13. Deth_CrimsonX's Avatar
    I have the same sandisk and a similar problem. I have 22k songs and when I copy from the pc to the micro it wont pick up. Instead I copied the songs onto the cloud. Dragged the individual songs to the music file in the micro sd folder via file explorer.


    As far as songs not showing up, the speed on the micro is slow, took over 5 hours for me.
    01-18-2016 08:11 PM
  14. John Hardy IV's Avatar
    Hmm.. just re-read your post.

    2017 won't work, it has to be 2106 or something as 2017 is not that far off lol.
    Right, I had originally transposed the numbers. I just tried setting the date to the farthest I could, 2116, backed out and launched Groove. It launched properly, but couldn't sign me in w/ my MSA, but it didn't prompt to remove the app. Ah well.
    01-18-2016 09:38 PM
  15. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    I have the same sandisk and a similar problem. I have 22k songs and when I copy from the pc to the micro it wont pick up. Instead I copied the songs onto the cloud. Dragged the individual songs to the music file in the micro sd folder via file explorer.


    As far as songs not showing up, the speed on the micro is slow, took over 5 hours for me.
    Can you explain in a little more detail what your experience and solution was? When you say it won't pick up are you saying Groove isn't adding them to its library yet you can browse to them with File Explorer on the phone? That is my scenario. Library building in Groove is slow and inevitably just stops and never completes. If you copied to the cloud did you do that n chunks or do you have some huge amount of space on the cloud? I only have like 15gb or so making that a not very viable solution unfortunately. I'm starting to be of the opinion that Groove just stinks and I need to start researching other apps. Too bad I can't play an album with one click in File Explorer...at least that manages to show me everything that is on the card.
    01-18-2016 09:39 PM
  16. John Hardy IV's Avatar
    I will mention that I was able to load all 75 GB of my music on an SD card in my 950, so there is hope. (I don't remember it taking too long or having issues, but it was over a month ago.)
    Part of the problem is additional new music after the initial interrogation, have you added any new music in bulk via file manager copy or a sync from a program like Windows Media Player?
    01-18-2016 09:40 PM
  17. John Hardy IV's Avatar
    Too bad I can't play an album with one click in File Explorer...at least that manages to show me everything that is on the card.
    And wouldn't it be nice that if you played the song from the phone's file manager that added it to the database or re-started a check for changes? Gah.
    01-18-2016 09:42 PM
  18. Deth_CrimsonX's Avatar
    Ill try its a bit confusing. I believe the audio must be mp3. Not sure if m4a or anything else works.

    The speed on the large cards is slow. What I did after a soft reset didn't work was to individually drag the songs from the cloud and place it in the music file that was created.

    My folder of music I copied from the pc to the micro for some reason wont pick up new songs despite it working.


    As far copying from cloud that is after I installed all of my bulk music. It will sync it just takes forever. With me an example is. If I installed the new Megadeth album, I need to drag it in cloud and then transfer it into the music folder on the micro.
    01-19-2016 03:43 AM
  19. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    And wouldn't it be nice that if you played the song from the phone's file manager that added it to the database or re-started a check for changes? Gah.
    Right...I tried exactly that hoping it might trick Groove into working. Amazingly though playing an mp3 from File Explorer on the phone does not add the song or album ro the Groove library despite the fact that Groove is sitting there playing the song from your card.
    01-19-2016 05:35 AM
  20. spazinvader's Avatar
    Right...I tried exactly that hoping it might trick Groove into working. Amazingly though playing an mp3 from File Explorer on the phone does not add the song or album ro the Groove library despite the fact that Groove is sitting there playing the song from your card.
    It does. At least on my Lumia 640XL. But my memory card is only 32GB(class 10). By the way, you enabled Groove music as well as Film & Tv to run in the background? I think if you enabled them AND put your phone on charge, you might now have to be starring at your phone screen until the collection completes. I never tested it. So better you test it and let me know :-)

    One more suggestion would be to try and create a library with all the music in your Desktop's Groove music and sync it with your phone's?
    01-19-2016 07:10 AM
  21. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    It does. At least on my Lumia 640XL. But my memory card is only 32GB(class 10). By the way, you enabled Groove music as well as Film & Tv to run in the background? I think if you enabled them AND put your phone on charge, you might now have to be starring at your phone screen until the collection completes. I never tested it. So better you test it and let me know :-)

    One more suggestion would be to try and create a library with all the music in your Desktop's Groove music and sync it with your phone's?
    Groove defaults to being allowed to run in the background. I have not changed that setting. I don't have "Film & Tv" in my list of apps under battery usage settings... doesn't sound like that's needed but even if it was I'm betting its default is to allow in background as well.

    Not sure I follow your suggestion on syncing from my Desktop. Can you explain further or post a link to somewhere that details how to do that?
    01-19-2016 08:10 AM
  22. Deth_CrimsonX's Avatar
    I think its like the cloud, once you're syncing from one device it'll show up on your phone?

    Right now my main method on installing new music is either through cloud or hook the phone up to my pc and copy. So far the cloud method pays off
    01-19-2016 09:37 AM
  23. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    I think its like the cloud, once you're syncing from one device it'll show up on your phone?

    Right now my main method on installing new music is either through cloud or hook the phone up to my pc and copy. So far the cloud method pays off
    Like I said though, I don't have 200GB of space on the cloud. So while that approach may work for adding small amounts of new music in the future I'm still trying to figure out how to get the initial Groove Library construction to complete for my whole 200GB card. The music is all on the card so I don't think sync'ing from WMP is going to get me any further than I already am.

    To ask the question another way what I really need to know is what criteria causes Groove to scan the card for new music to add. I think for me the process will need to occur multiple times to get though all 200GB of songs. So far I've seen it occasionally start out of nowhere with no rhyme or reason but I don't have a full proof way to kick it off which I need to get through 45,000 songs. I've seen it process as many as 4900 before stopping but it eventually just stops and then I'm stuck trying to figure out how to kick it off again to start another batch.
    01-19-2016 02:52 PM
  24. Bert McGaughey's Avatar
    Brian - I have exactly the same symptoms as you.

    Device: Lumia 550
    OS: W10M 10.0.10586.29
    App Version: 3.6.1580.0
    Card: Samsung MB-MP64DAEU 64GB Class 10

    I bought the card brand new from Amazon (not marketplace!) and formatted in the phone before starting. Then used a USB card reader and my Windows 7 laptop to transfer the music with just a simple copy and paste. I added about 50GB and opened Groove, after about a dozen power cycles the app eventually decided to scan for music and as you say I had to keep the phone awake and the Groove app open to scan all the music. After about 7 hours it was done and everything seemed to play fine (at least the tracks I tested).

    Then a few days later, I added a doze new albums to the card and for the life of me cannot get Groove to recognise them. I can see them in Explorer when connecting the phone via USB and I can see them in Total Commander (file explorer app on the phone). I checked and they are just simple mp3 files without DRM.

    VLC can see them and play them but not Groove.

    There does not seem to be a manual scan option, nor an automatic time period to wait for the scan to start, nor a setting to tell Groove specifically which folder paths to scan. As far as I can see this is a major bug/oversight by the developers.

    Either that or app the does not support a library larger than 10,000 tracks for example...which I starting to suspect may be the truth. Especially as VLC and Aki both from the Store see all the tracks.

    I find VLC has serious lag and Aki has an odd GUI.

    Can anyone recommend a music app (paid or free) which has a good interface and works with 50GB+ of music?
    01-19-2016 03:39 PM
  25. vogliadicane's Avatar
    Too tired to read, if this has been mentioned before in this thread, but I *think* I read somewhere, that indexing works best (or only) if music is transfered this way.

    Put SD into Phone
    Connect Phone via USB to PC
    Copy music via Explorer to the Phone's SD

    Heard of more people, who have problems with SDs filled directly (without being in the phone)...
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    01-19-2016 04:59 PM
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