08-31-2016 06:26 AM
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  1. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Right, I had originally transposed the numbers. I just tried setting the date to the farthest I could, 2116, backed out and launched Groove. It launched properly, but couldn't sign me in w/ my MSA, but it didn't prompt to remove the app. Ah well.
    I see, oh well looks like they may have patched it out.
    01-19-2016 05:25 PM
  2. Deth_CrimsonX's Avatar
    I dunno then. I never uploaded all 22k on cloud, only new albums after the main batch.i used a usb to micro sd to copy all of my 22k. I also did a lot of soft resets too.
    01-19-2016 06:51 PM
  3. Bigfireq's Avatar
    I have a smaller collection of songs (15,000+) and it takes a few days to integrate them all. I've never been sure exactly what goes on. I run Groove, and it adds songs (one every 10 seconds) until it apparently stops taking songs in. I close Groove, restart it, and it starts importing it again. I would have sworn that it only adds music while it's open, but at some point I'll forget about it, and then a few days later it's integrated everything. I don't know if it would have done it by itself, or if I just happened to forget about it at the point where it was on the last batch of music to integrate.

    Regardless, though, I expect it to add all of my music in a much shorter time frame (say, an hour). It's also the same on the desktop, it's slow as can be adding music, whereas Windows Media Player adds it lickety split.
    01-19-2016 06:58 PM
  4. Josh Harman's Avatar
    I have about about 120 GB of music, it will take a while but it will work.

    My indexing was similar, and took a few days. I know it sucks, buy if leave it alone for several days.
    01-19-2016 07:12 PM
  5. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    I have about about 120 GB of music, it will take a while but it will work.

    My indexing was similar, and took a few days. I know it sucks, buy if leave it alone for several days.
    When you say "leave it alone foe a few days" do you mean ensure Groove is open on your phone for a few days? I dont mind doing that but shouldn't I expect to see the toast message in Groove indicating that its adding songs? Should I just trust that its adding music to the library without telling me? I wouldnt be surprised if that adding songs message isnt the most accurate since it seems to stop counting when the phone screen is off. I refuse to believe that the app could be that crappy that it only builds the library when the phone screen is on.
    On the matter of verifying all the songs have all been added to the Groove library... I'm not seeing a total song count anywhere. Anyone know a way to verify how complete their Groove library is short of inspecting every folder\album?
    01-19-2016 08:22 PM
  6. dechah's Avatar
    In my previous devices (Lumia 735 and 920) both running an insider build of Windows 10, I had to change the lock screen time out settings to "never" in order for the Groove app to re-acquire the songs from my SD card. However in my 950XL, they have removed the "never" option. Whenever Groove loses focus, or the phone locks, then indexing in Groove stops. So on a 950 and a 950XL, because there is no never option, it is a slow and tedious process to get the Groove app to re-acquire those songs as you have to keep the phone awake and locked onto the Groove app the whole time. Hopefully this will be fixed in an update.
    01-19-2016 10:04 PM
  7. Deth_CrimsonX's Avatar
    What about album covers a good portion of my artwork isn't shown,yet the same songs on my ipod have all the artwork.
    01-20-2016 03:40 AM
  8. BigMark641's Avatar
    Brian,

    Your read/write speeds are comparable to mine.

    I did get that adding music message, but it took less than an hour (not days). All my music is .mp3.

    I was using file explorer (not the windows phone app) on my desktop (with the card in my 950) to copy music to "sd/music/onedrive music cache"

    -Mark
    01-20-2016 05:31 AM
  9. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    In my previous devices (Lumia 735 and 920) both running an insider build of Windows 10, I had to change the lock screen time out settings to "never" in order for the Groove app to re-acquire the songs from my SD card. However in my 950XL, they have removed the "never" option. Whenever Groove loses focus, or the phone locks, then indexing in Groove stops. So on a 950 and a 950XL, because there is no never option, it is a slow and tedious process to get the Groove app to re-acquire those songs as you have to keep the phone awake and locked onto the Groove app the whole time. Hopefully this will be fixed in an update.
    Wow, if that's true AND the library building stops randomly I'm not seeing how anyone has ever had any success with Groove and a larger catalog of songs. Please let us all know where we can find this specific bug logged with Microsoft so we can up vote it. I did previously go looking for a Never Lock option and had to settle for the max of 5 minutes. At the moment I can't get the message in Groove that it's adding music again however. ?
    01-20-2016 07:02 AM
  10. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Brian,

    Your read/write speeds are comparable to mine.

    I did get that adding music message, but it took less than an hour (not days). All my music is .mp3.

    I was using file explorer (not the windows phone app) on my desktop (with the card in my 950) to copy music to "sd/music/onedrive music cache"

    -Mark
    Thank you for the specificity Mark. I don't know why that technique would provide any different result but I'm willing to try anything at this point. I'll follow up later today with test results.
    01-20-2016 07:06 AM
  11. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    What about album covers a good portion of my artwork isn't shown,yet the same songs on my ipod have all the artwork.
    I gave up on ever thinking this will work. All embedded album covers on my MP3 files. Groove must not look at embedded artwork because it has a separate folder for album art that is collects from somewhere. How a music player does not just use the embedded artwork is puzzling.

    On the laptop, Groove, Windows Media player, iTunes, WinAmp, and file explorer sees the embedded artwork. On the phone, Groove sees half of them. Just mind numbing why this doesn't work.
    01-20-2016 09:16 AM
  12. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    I have set my phone plugged in on my desk with the lock screen set for Never and then gone into Groove. This after a fresh hard reset. I have seen Groove get up to about 24,000 in the "Adding songs" toast, but never has it gotten to the 76k I have on the card. It would run for 8-10 hours then the toast would go away. I noticed that a few albums were missing, but most seemed there. Album covers of course were missing on a ton, but I have noticed that while this is "adding songs" it is building image files in the phone's built in memory in the \music\albums folder. They album art files would pop into that folder at about 10-15 a minute. Like I said in previous post, embedded artwork but yet Groove is either searching the web for artwork, or copying it from the file and storing it on the internal memory for some reason? So questionable on why this happens. I have Groove to not "Automatically retrieve update missing album artwork and metadata." I had that set once and it downloaded whacked out artwork for many files (repeating again, even though they all have embedded artwork).

    Frustrating none the less.
    01-20-2016 09:24 AM
  13. Lucien Immink's Avatar
    Could you try "Universal MusicDB" (unable to link yet :P It's ID: 9nblggh6glxb)
    I'm wokring on that app and like to know how it holds up with 45k+ songs :)
    The ETA will give you an indication on how long the scanning process will take; and if on mobile; please keep the screen on while the scan is busy.
    01-20-2016 10:51 AM
  14. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Could you try "Universal MusicDB" (unable to link yet :P It's ID: 9nblggh6glxb)
    I'm wokring on that app and like to know how it holds up with 45k+ songs :)
    The ETA will give you an indication on how long the scanning process will take; and if on mobile; please keep the screen on while the scan is busy.
    I certainly will try this app. The screenshots in the store look promising. Won't be until tomorrow though since I'm trying the last suggestion of loading the sd card up while its in the phone and connected to my desktop via usb. Turns out this takes twice as long as my usb micro card adapter. Going to take 16 hours to complete. One interesting thing to note on this method so far is that I got a pop up asking what to do with a track whose file name was too long. I said skip and apply to any other instances. Makes me wonder what was done with these files when I had copied via the card reader since I never got a similar message.
    01-20-2016 01:19 PM
  15. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Still copying to the card with phone connected to the desktop but I have high hopes for this approach. I've gotten a couple other prompts during the copy... one asking about converting m4a files to mp3 and one asking about copying m3u files. There's certainly some additional logic occuring with this "File Explorer copy". An ordinary file explorer copy wouldn't give a crap what I'm copying, let alone ask to convert files. I'm hoping all this extra time to load up the card is going to allow Groove on the phone to build out the library quicker. We shall see...
    01-20-2016 09:46 PM
  16. John Hardy IV's Avatar
    This issue needs to get more visibility, since there are probably not too many of us with substantial local collections like this; there is no real repro case yet when or how the database gets damaged and no new items are found (or removed via a time based autoplaylist sync for that matter). Use the Windows Feedback tool to report it from your PC or do it from feedback in the settings of Groove Mobile; they've recently added the ability to record or take a system snapshot when something is going wrong (make sure you choose 'problem' for the feedback type and you'll get a 'reproduce' button). Hopefully someone at MSFT is checking the telemetry.
    01-20-2016 11:23 PM
  17. spazinvader's Avatar
    Groove defaults to being allowed to run in the background. I have not changed that setting. I don't have "Film & Tv" in my list of apps under battery usage settings... doesn't sound like that's needed but even if it was I'm betting its default is to allow in background as well.

    Not sure I follow your suggestion on syncing from my Desktop. Can you explain further or post a link to somewhere that details how to do that?
    My suggestion is to turn it on in the battery saver as well and not just on the "background apps". In settings, search for battery saver and add Groove to the list of apps that run on battery saver. This seems to be a funny solution, but my Groove music is playing a little better in the background with this setting on.

    Syncing from the desktop is by two ways. And both are kind of buggy even now.
    1. create playlists in Windows media player in Windows 10 and sync it to your phone. To do this, connect your phone to the Windows 10 laptop, open Windows Media Player(Not Groove) and in the libraries, you can sync with the phone you connected. I use this only to sync (kind of)short term playlists that will have like 10 or 15 songs only. I use this to listen to new albums that are coming in, listen to them for a few days and if I do not like the album, I simply remove them in phone as well as desktop.
    2. Kind of more buggy way is to use Groove Music Desktop app to Create a Playlist, add songs to it. And when your phone is connected to the system, it will sync automatically. This is very reliable if you add a few hundreds of songs at a time and let them sync with each other. Not recommended for thousands of songs at a time. If you are happy to do the exercise again and again, like 1000 songs per connection, this is more reliable(in terms of correct album art and other media properties). I used this at the beginning of syncing songs to my mobile. Never had to use this again. With all the improvements happened, I think it will be safe for you to try 5k songs at a time.


    I know these are not wonderful solutions for a huge number of songs. But if you have patience and are willing to split the job and do it over and over again, these two are more reliable than Groove Music(mobile) automatically syncing things up for you. If we have the wireless sync(Zune and my old lovely Lumia 900!!), the above steps will be better. But this feature might only make a come back by this year(??!!). So until then, USB FTW!!!
    01-21-2016 05:32 AM
  18. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/mic...d-file-sy.html

    In this other thread someone pointed out where to kick off sync in the Groove phone app. I'm trying that now since my library is still incomplete even after trying to load the card via phone connected to the desktop with usb. I haven't seen the adding songs message yet since disconnecting my phone from the pc or initializing the sync but I'll let it sit for awhile and see if it does anything. I already have Groove allowed to run during battery saver.
    01-21-2016 08:26 AM
  19. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    My suggestion is to turn it on in the battery saver as well and not just on the "background apps". In settings, search for battery saver and add Groove to the list of apps that run on battery saver. This seems to be a funny solution, but my Groove music is playing a little better in the background with this setting on.

    Syncing from the desktop is by two ways. And both are kind of buggy even now.
    1. create playlists in Windows media player in Windows 10 and sync it to your phone. To do this, connect your phone to the Windows 10 laptop, open Windows Media Player(Not Groove) and in the libraries, you can sync with the phone you connected. I use this only to sync (kind of)short term playlists that will have like 10 or 15 songs only. I use this to listen to new albums that are coming in, listen to them for a few days and if I do not like the album, I simply remove them in phone as well as desktop.
    2. Kind of more buggy way is to use Groove Music Desktop app to Create a Playlist, add songs to it. And when your phone is connected to the system, it will sync automatically. This is very reliable if you add a few hundreds of songs at a time and let them sync with each other. Not recommended for thousands of songs at a time. If you are happy to do the exercise again and again, like 1000 songs per connection, this is more reliable(in terms of correct album art and other media properties). I used this at the beginning of syncing songs to my mobile. Never had to use this again. With all the improvements happened, I think it will be safe for you to try 5k songs at a time.


    I know these are not wonderful solutions for a huge number of songs. But if you have patience and are willing to split the job and do it over and over again, these two are more reliable than Groove Music(mobile) automatically syncing things up for you. If we have the wireless sync(Zune and my old lovely Lumia 900!!), the above steps will be better. But this feature might only make a come back by this year(??!!). So until then, USB FTW!!!
    Thank you for the suggestion but I'm not making playlists for my entire music collection. That doesn't make sense. I want a library of music organized by artist and album, not just a giant playlist of thousands of songs. I would like to reserve playlists for, you know, playlists. Like all the best songs of a band.
    01-21-2016 08:31 AM
  20. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    This issue needs to get more visibility, since there are probably not too many of us with substantial local collections like this; there is no real repro case yet when or how the database gets damaged and no new items are found (or removed via a time based autoplaylist sync for that matter). Use the Windows Feedback tool to report it from your PC or do it from feedback in the settings of Groove Mobile; they've recently added the ability to record or take a system snapshot when something is going wrong (make sure you choose 'problem' for the feedback type and you'll get a 'reproduce' button). Hopefully someone at MSFT is checking the telemetry.
    Submitted via Groove Feedback. Please find below and up vote.

    Windows-Feedback:?contextid=293&feedbackid=a25dace9-5d14-4d15-a0e2-7c4a8cd4116e&form=2&src=2
    Last edited by Brian Stobbe; 01-22-2016 at 08:41 AM.
    01-21-2016 03:31 PM
  21. John Hardy IV's Avatar
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/mic...d-file-sy.html

    In this other thread someone pointed out where to kick off sync in the Groove phone app. I'm trying that now since my library is still incomplete even after trying to load the card via phone connected to the desktop with usb. I haven't seen the adding songs message yet since disconnecting my phone from the pc or initializing the sync but I'll let it sit for awhile and see if it does anything. I already have Groove allowed to run during battery saver.
    Yeah, the 'Sync my music' button in Groove Settings never does anything for my local collection, I think since it's grouped next to the Groove Music Pass header it's for that feature and is trying to sync against OneDrive or anything you have on music.microsoft.com. I just get a 'Syncing...' message in grey when I hit it and let it sit for extended periods of time. That responder may not have the volume of music we do.

    I should note that it took about 6 hours to work through 33K songs when the last build of Groove came out and on first launch it had to update the database. Frustrating to not have new music show up.
    01-22-2016 04:27 PM
  22. Brian Stobbe's Avatar
    Yeah, the 'Sync my music' button in Groove Settings never does anything for my local collection, I think since it's grouped next to the Groove Music Pass header it's for that feature and is trying to sync against OneDrive or anything you have on music.microsoft.com. I just get a 'Syncing...' message in grey when I hit it and let it sit for extended periods of time. That responder may not have the volume of music we do.

    I should note that it took about 6 hours to work through 33K songs when the last build of Groove came out and on first launch it had to update the database. Frustrating to not have new music show up.
    Agreed...sync button does not kick off the adding music process for me either.
    01-22-2016 09:27 PM
  23. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    Just installed. I am liking the ETA page. I am adding 76k songs. Lets see how it goes.
    01-25-2016 04:58 PM
  24. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    Unfortunately, the Universal MusicDB app gets to about 5100 songs and then gets booted out on my Lumia 640. I rebooted it and started again and it got to about the same.
    01-25-2016 05:23 PM
  25. BlueEchoes's Avatar
    So, I have tried pretty much every possible music player app and they all bomb out trying to add all that music. I have probably rebooted my phone 50 times the last 3 days. I may have one that looks promising: Loco. So far, it looks like it is able to add all the songs. artwork is not there, but it is adding them. It sees all of the songs (folder view) and it is slowly populating. Knock on wood but if this keeps going, we may have a substitute for Groove.
    01-27-2016 04:21 PM
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