10-18-2016 01:23 PM
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  1. 9001020's Avatar
    I haven't read anything about the video capabilities of the camera. Anyone hear anything?
    02-21-2016 05:03 PM
  2. Alain_A's Avatar
    right, Daniel never said anything in his review about video

    Does business people need a video recorder?
    02-21-2016 05:06 PM
  3. Luckyshot000's Avatar
    Per Phonearena

    1920x1080 (1080p HD)
    02-21-2016 05:14 PM
  4. Chris Stevens1's Avatar
    I prefer a replaceable battery as well. That said, a replaceable battery is probably less important to the enterprise than a consumer. Enterprises will want to lock down, backup and secure phone data. Enterprises will issue dozens/hundreds/thousands of phones, and will have backups in stock. If a battery is going bad "IT" will load up and issue one of the back up phones.

    I suspect that in a phone like this, space saving from eliminating the battery "packaging" allows a much higher capacity battery.

    Until there is a teardown, we will nor know if these phones are serviceable; the battery may be replaceable by a technician.
    aximtreo and JoyfullJuneBug like this.
    02-21-2016 05:33 PM
  5. Kavu2's Avatar
    Front 8MP camera reviews...
    Apparently HP is placing importance on front camera due to expected business usage in Skype conf. call situation, so both B&O speaker(stereo) are tweaked(angled) for max quality as well as dual front video capture for low light quality..

    From TechRadar
    HP Elite x3 hands on review | TechRadar
    "Front facing webcam sports a 8MP sensor that actually captures two images while in Skype chats and combines them to create an balanced, HDR-like image"

    From The Inquirer
    MWC 2016: HP Elite X3 hands-on review- The Inquirer
    [I]"The 8MP front camera is more modestly specced, but at least it worked properly. In fact, it was downright impressive; even in the low lights of the basement showroom, detailing was high and colours were vibrant. There was a bit of noisiness visible in the darker areas of the images, but nothing ruinous."]/I]

    From TrustedReviews
    HP Elite X3 hands-on review | TrustedReviews
    "The front-facing 8-megapixel camera captures two images at a time, making your video-chats far more crisp when the lightning conditions aren’t at their best"


    Rear 16MP camera reviews...
    Not much yet, 'The Inquirer' mentions 4K capability. 'TrustedReviews mentions f.2.0 aperture on rear.. I'll edit in if I find something more on the rear camera video.
    02-21-2016 06:10 PM
  6. realwarder's Avatar
    itpro.co.uk said the rear camera was terrible. But this is a prototype so who knows how the rear camera will end up. I hope it ends up good because business users will have families and want to take great photos just like any other smart phone owner.
    02-21-2016 06:33 PM
  7. Kavu2's Avatar
    >realwarder
    Yeah another site had similar problems....auto-focus low light issue. These are preview products deadlined for the MWC, fortunately they have 3-4 months at least to work out the kinks as well as line up companies and 3rd party accessories. I'm thinking the HP ducks will be all lined up at release. The potential is huge, I'm certainly willing to wait.
    aximtreo likes this.
    02-21-2016 07:02 PM
  8. Joe Dubya's Avatar
    I love the design, the dock and continuum finally make sense. Key question for me is this "extender" - am I the only one wondering why it has no touch screen / pen support? I carry a Surface 3 and L950, would love to carry only one device by I have gone paperless and use my S3 for note taking. Hopefully they'll have different levels of extender - if I have to carry my surface a key feature of this phone is lost for me.

    I think I might miss glance, would definitely miss the shutter button, but this pretty much checks all of the boxes for me. Continuum on my L950 already an unexpected surprise for me, this seems to take it to the next level
    02-21-2016 09:33 PM
  9. onlysublime's Avatar
    OIS is not that important if the camera is fast enough. That's been the biggest problem with Windows Phone. Nokia always geared the cameras toward taking nature and still shots. But the consumer usage has primarily been portraits. It's the dawn of quick snaps and selfies. Shot to shot action with Windows Phone is bad. My best camera phone was the Lumia Icon and while it took great shots, there were plenty of bad shots during moments that I needed greatness. My current Windows Phone is the HTC One M8 which takes fast pics but only because they're awful 5 MP pictures that look sad in this day and age.

    The dedicated camera button is a great feature in theory. But I find that the camera button on Nokia/Microsoft cameras to have too large of a throw. A 2-stage button should be very short with a definitive edge. Like with a traditional DSLR. On my Icon, going from the first stage (the focus) to the second stage introduced movement that affected the final shot. This is something that never happens with a DSLR. Not advocating for no dedicated shutter button. But it should be closer to the feel of a DSLR button.

    I primarily shoot with my DSLR but those times when I don't have that or it's inconvenient to use that, I need something better than what the HTC and Icon could offer.
    FurY2007, aximtreo and RumoredNow like this.
    02-22-2016 12:31 AM
  10. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Remember, the phone demoed today isn't the final product that's coming out in the summer. ;)
    RumoredNow and peterbezemer like this.
    02-22-2016 12:42 AM
  11. Marko Marjanovic's Avatar
    Everyone talking about geting this phone and everyone forgeting it's not for regular consumer. It seem like people still look for every bit bad thing like dedicated camera button, removable battery and goodlike camera. I guess one construction worker don't need dedicated button more then ruged phone, or workers on water removable battery more then waterprofing. If you are windows fan you should be happy that WE got true beast. Even top tier android and ios phones don't have removable battery and dedicated camera button. No big deal for enerprise.
    950/xl are consumer, so get them insted.
    02-22-2016 01:08 AM
  12. FurY2007's Avatar
    I do not mind a removable battery, my Lumia 1020 doesn't have one either. The dedicated camera button .. now that may be a little thing I'd miss, however if the camera works faster, starts up faster and has OIS similar to the Lumia 1020 then I am all sold.
    JoyfullJuneBug likes this.
    02-22-2016 03:26 AM
  13. ducmans's Avatar
    I do not get the 'it's not an issue as these are for Enterprises' statement....
    Phones will be used by 'normal people' who happen to work in an Enterprise only during daytime and they do not want to carry around 2 phone, especially if they are this big. So they want their phones to be able to make instant photos using a dedicated button I think.

    I think its the best phone out there with top specs but these 'issues' will probably stop me from buying one: No Glance (no glory...) and having software keys instead of capacitive ones.
    02-22-2016 03:46 AM
  14. adrian1338's Avatar
    Everyone talking about geting this phone and everyone forgeting it's not for regular consumer. It seem like people still look for every bit bad thing like dedicated camera button, removable battery and goodlike camera. I guess one construction worker don't need dedicated button more then ruged phone, or workers on water removable battery more then waterprofing. If you are windows fan you should be happy that WE got true beast. Even top tier android and ios phones don't have removable battery and dedicated camera button. No big deal for enerprise.
    950/xl are consumer, so get them insted.
    I guess Enterprise Customers are not allowed to express their opinion in this forum than?
    mikepalma likes this.
    02-22-2016 05:27 AM
  15. Marko Marjanovic's Avatar
    02-22-2016 07:19 AM
  16. Pete's Avatar
    To be honest, I've forgotten the last time I used the camera button on my 950XL (and 1520 before it).

    Now that the camera can be started right from the action center and loads up really quick, the hardware button just gets in the way (ergonomically speaking).

    I just open up the camera app from the screen, tap on what I want to focus on (or settings) and then taking the photo. A mixture of on-screen and hardware buttons seems a bit clunky. But that's just my view.

    Having a static battery (for me) results in a more rigid case with less scope for dust ingress.

    As to just how attractive this device is for businesses is another matter. Our company has now removed Windows Phone as an option for work-supplied devices because no one wanted any (learning something new appears to be above most people).
    jmshub likes this.
    02-22-2016 07:44 AM
  17. Ten Four's Avatar
    Way too big for a lot of business people--think road warriors. They use their phones 90% of the time as mobile communication devices and need something that easily fits into a pocket and can be used one handed when dragging luggage through an airport. I'm not sure I see the advantages except in some niche scenarios. If you need to carry around a device that is a fake laptop, why not carry the real thing since there are many that are very small and light and still much more powerful than any phone. That gives you two independent devices, so one is a backup in case the other dies and saves you having to pair the devices, etc. Plus, IT departments aren't wild about the idea of people carrying their computers around with them in the first place, especially when eating out or in a bar after work.
    theefman and Jeddic like this.
    02-22-2016 08:10 AM
  18. swanlee's Avatar
    Why wouldn't an enterprise user on location at a site NOT want to take quick photos of something that might be business related? Seems silly to think business people don't take photo's? and like other said even business related phones end up being a partial personal hpone for these people.

    Just seems like a stupid omission in an otherwise well thought out phone.
    02-22-2016 08:26 AM
  19. jmshub's Avatar
    To be honest, I've forgotten the last time I used the camera button on my 950XL (and 1520 before it).

    Now that the camera can be started right from the action center and loads up really quick, the hardware button just gets in the way (ergonomically speaking).

    I just open up the camera app from the screen, tap on what I want to focus on (or settings) and then taking the photo. A mixture of on-screen and hardware buttons seems a bit clunky. But that's just my view.

    Having a static battery (for me) results in a more rigid case with less scope for dust ingress.

    As to just how attractive this device is for businesses is another matter. Our company has now removed Windows Phone as an option for work-supplied devices because no one wanted any (learning something new appears to be above most people).
    I do still like the dedicated camera button and use it to launch the camera and I use it to snap the picture, take the video, etc.

    However, any qualms i had with no removable battery were squashed three phones ago when I got my 920.
    02-22-2016 08:52 AM
  20. Great deal's Avatar
    Enterprise prefers not to have cameras due to security concerns, remember the Blackberrys? after cameras were introduced enterprise was up in arms. To the consumers commenting negatively, this phone is NOT made for you, enterprise and business was asked and all that data poured into making this device. HP could well end up being the darling of Business like Blackberry was, that in itself is very exciting. Not sure about the laptop without processor accessory, perhaps its because im not sold on Continuum at all, not until phones can run full desktop apps without virtualization.
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    02-22-2016 09:11 AM
  21. B-Dizzle 360's Avatar
    Some companies prefer not to have cameras. I work in a very large corporation and it's pretty clear that their presence is unstoppable. They're everywhere, on phones, laptops, tablets, spy cams, etc. It's near impossible to completely prevent them. The thing is that with an administered phone IT can just look at the embedded metadata (and prevent the end user fro turning it off) if something leaks and see who did it. Employee fired and maybe sued. Employees know better. Companies don't play around with leaking information.
    02-22-2016 10:14 AM
  22. Pete's Avatar
    The camera and other hardware can be disabled via MDM
    02-22-2016 10:17 AM
  23. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    The dedicated camera button is a nice-to-have but isn't a deal breaker for most people. The iPhone has done fine without it. The only problem I see is the price. It is an incredible device, which I see going for $799-$899.
    02-22-2016 01:14 PM
  24. swanlee's Avatar
    Yep I'm the MDM admin at our company and we had an Audit and we pretty much laughed in their face when they told us to turn off our users camera's. We told them we weren't going to pat down people to check to see if they were bringing in non phone portable cameras and with the high BYOD element their is no way we would turn off people's camera's and deal with the riot that would ensue.

    Security has nothing to do with a lack of a camera button, The phone STILL has a camera and it can be turned off using MDM polices and could still have a camera button.

    Saying Companies don't like camera's has nothing to do with the lack of a camera button.
    CrownSeven likes this.
    02-22-2016 01:36 PM
  25. Bai's Avatar
    There is another problem, with the way it dock and keep those pin live you can't put a case on. And that is very important to a lot of people.
    02-22-2016 03:46 PM
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