08-01-2016 05:51 PM
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  1. Generalheed's Avatar
    No, it wont run Crysis (although, mid range hardware today should be able to run Crysis 1 with moderate graphics level) but, x86 on a phone is ONLY a really big deal to corporate customers when it comes down to it (who is REALLY going to care). You have companies who have Win32 apps that are very detailed to their company and that has been the biggest issue with phone lineup. No phones will run native Windows apps. If they can do a minor conversion with out changing all their code (comanies who made the software dont support it for example) and run it on a phone, it would be a big deal.

    Now, if the benifits to a better app compatbilty (iOS/Android on WP/WM) and if there was a MAJOR jump in battery life, then it would be a big deal.

    When it comes down to it to "Joe Sixpack", He wants a phone that runs good, good battery life and runs major apps....You dont need x86 support to get that.

    Then you talk about the business companies, a RDP/Citrix option that will run on the phone will hold data security very well (no data on the phone, No direct access, only a remote session) that will be easy to use on a phone would be huge for banking and goverment type places due to the level of security required.

    There always be different ways to do this. If a phone can run a old x86 Windows program that runs fine on a x64 processor, then I guess it would be pretty cool....but, for sure, I dont see it running Crysis :)

    What I am trying to get at, the X3 with it's CPU, will do pretty much everything DESIGNED FOR W10M, as the x86 phone will. Is there really a NEED for x86 on a phone ?



    Verizon support is no brainer for HP in the US. Largest carrier and a lot of companies use Verizon because of their coverage. If they want this be available for more customers, Verizon WILL happen.

    I see HP allowing this through other sites, from Microsoft, direct on HP's site... Even if it's only through corporate customers only, a few weeks you'll always find a few available on ebay or Swappa...

    Only problem if carriers dont get it, is no discounted pricing, if the phone is $799 (and $699-799 is my estimate), it will be $799....No carrier or promo discounts for a long time.

    This will limit the access by a lot of people...
    I think there is a need for x86 though. We've seen that there is consumer interest in the continuum future. But if you market continuum as a desktop on your phone, you're going to have a repeat of the Surface RT again. We've seen that your average "joe sixpack" does indeed want natively compatibility with x86 apps and games. And Surface RT aside, the same thing has happened with Steam Machines running Steam OS. People expect to be able to run their traditional windows games but since Steam OS is Linux, the majority of someone's steam library doesn't work on a Steam Machine. Chromebooks, despite the amazon sales numbers stated awhile ago, haven't caught on to the mainstream market and android tablets are in decline too while the Surface Pro continues to grow.

    Any time someone tries to make something to replace x86 Windows, even Microsoft themselves, it is hard for it to take off. Windows tablets and Windows 2 in 1 laptops, are growing steadily while non-windows tablets are on the decline. This is just from the consumer market too. Therefore, having x86 compatibility on a phone is a must for Windows 10's success in the consumer smartphone market. Consumers want to be able to run all the software their used to running. The stereotype that all your average user wants is just a web browser to check emails and social networks has been proven false by chromebooks and android tablets.

    Also, if the Surface Phone is powered by an Atom x5 or x7, it actually will be able to run Crysis 1 at low-ish settings. It's not the ideal device to run Crysis, but I'm sure people will want to try running whatever they can on it. Now, this is a stretch, but if the Surface Phone were to be powered by a Core M CPU, then Crysis 1 is very possible at med settings perhaps. But anyways, consumers do want to run x86 apps. Consumers don't just sit around all day on facebook.
    02-26-2016 12:30 AM
  2. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    If Verizon green lights it I'll feel so stupid for jumping to AT&T for a 950 because I'm definitely getting one.
    02-28-2016 05:03 PM
  3. rivostat's Avatar
    No, This phone does not work in Verizon. I actually had ti return my phone that I got in the Microsoft online store after a month of waiting, calling to Microsoft, calling to Verizon waiting for activation 5 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc. It never happened.
    Without going to the technical part, and after some research, Verizon and Microsoft have business issues, plain and simple. Lumia 950 or 950XL cannot be activated in Verizon. I actually had to change carriers in order to have my Lumia 950. Now I am with ATT. I love this phone, it has a couple hiccups, no biggies. I use my phone for business and I like it.
    03-17-2016 12:00 AM
  4. DavidinCT's Avatar
    No, This phone does not work in Verizon. I actually had ti return my phone that I got in the Microsoft online store after a month of waiting, calling to Microsoft, calling to Verizon waiting for activation 5 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc. It never happened.
    Without going to the technical part, and after some research, Verizon and Microsoft have business issues, plain and simple. Lumia 950 or 950XL cannot be activated in Verizon. I actually had to change carriers in order to have my Lumia 950. Now I am with ATT. I love this phone, it has a couple hiccups, no biggies. I use my phone for business and I like it.
    Do you work for HP ? Odds are even if you DO, you dont know what is going on with this phone.

    Love these posts, a new user and claims a UNRELEASED still in Prototype phone and they know EVERYTHING about the phone. LOL.

    HP has said they want Verizon and they were working on it....It's on Twitter from someone well known in the Microsoft world, if you know everything, why not post a link to it ?
    03-29-2016 12:49 PM
  5. etphoto's Avatar
    it....It's on Twitter from someone well known in the Microsoft world, if
    As we have recently learned after MS turned their backs on some WP users when it came to the Win 10 update, it being on Twitter doesn't mean crap. lol



    Sent from my Surface 3
    03-29-2016 01:29 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Do you work for HP ? Odds are even if you DO, you dont know what is going on with this phone.

    Love these posts, a new user and claims a UNRELEASED still in Prototype phone and they know EVERYTHING about the phone. LOL.

    HP has said they want Verizon and they were working on it....It's on Twitter from someone well known in the Microsoft world, if you know everything, why not post a link to it ?
    I believe, from context, that rivostat is replying to the post above his and is speaking about the 950...
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    03-29-2016 08:01 PM
  7. Alain_A's Avatar
    I believe, from context, that rivostat is replying to the post above his and is speaking about the 950...
    Yep
    04-04-2016 10:30 PM
  8. Adjaero Pascal's Avatar
    Do you work for HP ? Odds are even if you DO, you dont know what is going on with this phone.

    Love these posts, a new user and claims a UNRELEASED still in Prototype phone and they know EVERYTHING about the phone. LOL.

    HP has said they want Verizon and they were working on it....It's on Twitter from someone well known in the Microsoft world, if you know everything, why not post a link to it ?
    The HP will not work on verizon at launch. Don't know if they will enable this with a firmware update down the road though
    05-29-2016 12:46 PM
  9. DavidinCT's Avatar
    The HP will not work on verizon at launch. Don't know if they will enable this with a firmware update down the road though
    As I personally doubt that it will get Verizon support due to Verizon's policies. You do claim that it will not, so what is your source ?

    Like I said above, people posting like that know everything when there is no facts to be given on a phone that is still in Prototype and subject to change.
    05-30-2016 12:03 PM
  10. Adjaero Pascal's Avatar
    As I personally doubt that it will get Verizon support due to Verizon's policies. You do claim that it will not, so what is your source ?

    Like I said above, people posting like that know everything when there is no facts to be given on a phone that is still in Prototype and subject to change.
    I do actually have an official document stating this. Please head over to the http://forums.windowscentral.com/hp-...ilability.html section and ask me any questions you have on the device
    05-30-2016 08:18 PM
  11. jmthomas1987's Avatar
    The HP will not work on verizon at launch. Don't know if they will enable this with a firmware update down the road though
    Then Verizon and HP are both cutting their own throats. Verizon has one of the biggest business user communities in the US alone. Not having them on board will marginalize this phone for business users just like the Lumia 950 and 950XL was with only AT&T/T-Mobile compatibility.

    VZW and Microsoft need to pull their collective heads out and work things out.
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    05-31-2016 01:20 PM
  12. Adjaero Pascal's Avatar
    Then Verizon and HP are both cutting their own throats. Verizon has one of the biggest business user communities in the US alone. Not having them on board will marginalize this phone for business users just like the Lumia 950 and 950XL was with only AT&T/T-Mobile compatibility.

    VZW and Microsoft need to pull their collective heads out and work things out.
    agreed
    05-31-2016 04:36 PM
  13. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I do actually have an official document stating this. Please head over to the http://forums.windowscentral.com/hp-...ilability.html section and ask me any questions you have on the device
    So, you have a FINAL document from HP showing this ? Not a beta document or a protype test document, as that would not be FINAL, it would be TEST or Prototype.

    As they say, PROOF or it didn't happen or your full of it...

    It gets old on this site people saying "THIS IS TRUE" when it's not even possable that they even have a clue on the subject...It happens way too much on this site (I am sure this is NOT the only site)
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    06-02-2016 01:24 PM
  14. Adjaero Pascal's Avatar
    So, you have a FINAL document from HP showing this ? Not a beta document or a protype test document, as that would not be FINAL, it would be TEST or Prototype.

    As they say, PROOF or it didn't happen or your full of it...

    It gets old on this site people saying "THIS IS TRUE" when it's not even possable that they even have a clue on the subject...It happens way too much on this site (I am sure this is NOT the only site)
    No sir, I am not full of it. I have a final document and I took a picture so you can see for yourself. I only came here to pass information to people that were seeking it, not to be grouped amongst the "THIS IS TRUE" people. Thank you

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    06-02-2016 03:39 PM
  15. finalrelief's Avatar
    I will not support Verizon even if they support this device/surface phone because multiple sales reps, on the phone, in person, and in chat have all treated me poorly once they find out i wasn't only an android (samsung specifically), and iOS fanboy.
    06-03-2016 10:42 AM
  16. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    That doesn't close any door as it's just a piece of paper UNTIL HP formally announces the phone. I agree with the other posters, and I worked at HP, NOBODY KNOWS everything and as was presented above = it's all about certification, Verizon must allow any "certified device" on their network as part of the FCC auction.

    I would lose all faith in HP if "they walked away from HUGE corporate Verizon contracts" !
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    06-03-2016 10:51 AM
  17. theefman's Avatar
    Anyone looking at recent history would know that the likelihood of Verizon carrying this phone is very low and when you consider that businesses typically buy their phones directly from a carrier with some kind of service contract its should not surprise anyone that HP wont include support for Verizon. Maybe that will change and can be enabled later but they have no incentive to do any extra work to make the phones Verizon compatible and then have to deal with any potential support issues.

    And seriously, you Verizon users need to stop feeling like everyone has to bow down to make phones available to you, this problem doesn't exist with GSM devices which work all over the world and which is the market HP will support so there is no throat cutting if one US carrier isn't supported, especially when that carrier has previously done all it can to actually NOT sell the Windows phones it sold.
    06-03-2016 11:08 AM
  18. finalrelief's Avatar
    Anyone looking at recent history would know that the likelihood of Verizon carrying this phone is very low and when you consider that businesses typically buy their phones directly from a carrier with some kind of service contract its should not surprise anyone that HP wont include support for Verizon. Maybe that will change and can be enabled later but they have no incentive to do any extra work to make the phones Verizon compatible and then have to deal with any potential support issues.

    And seriously, you Verizon users need to stop feeling like everyone has to bow down to make phones available to you, this problem doesn't exist with GSM devices which work all over the world and which is the market HP will support so there is no throat cutting if one US carrier isn't supported, especially when that carrier has previously done all it can to actually NOT sell the Windows phones it sold.
    Windows 10 Software Update | Verizon Wireless looks like they're supporting the windows 10 update on a phone.....
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    06-03-2016 12:19 PM
  19. etphoto's Avatar
    Windows 10 Software Update | Verizon Wireless looks like they're supporting the windows 10 update on a phone.....

    Good news (Which is rare when it comes from Big Red)

    Sent from my Surface 3
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    06-03-2016 02:35 PM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar

    I would lose all faith in HP if "they walked away from HUGE corporate Verizon contracts" !
    That is a big deal in the US. As I have worked for about 10 very large companies (4 of them were fortune 500 companies), every one of them used Verizon here in the US. We are not talking companies with 500 users, we are talking companies who have 5000+ users. Multi million dollar cell phone plans/contracts.

    Verizon is a the largest carrier here in the US, HP would be stabbing them in the foot in the US market by not getting it Verizon compatible.

    Although other carriers will help on a global level, but, if they want to be the big guns in the US and a sold chance for this phone to succeed, they NEED Verizon support.

    Word is, from a few sources(some people I know at MS, take it with a grain of salt) I have heard they ARE still trying to work with Verizon before the US release.

    No sir, I am not full of it. I have a final document and I took a picture so you can see for yourself. I only came here to pass information to people that were seeking it, not to be grouped amongst the "THIS IS TRUE" people. Thank you

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    You take a little picture and cut it out, so we cant see all of it. That image could be from an Android device for all we know.

    Do you have the full document you speak of in a PDF or something else to prove that it IS for the X3 ? This does not clear it up for me.
    06-04-2016 11:24 AM
  21. Adjaero Pascal's Avatar
    That is a big deal in the US. As I have worked for about 10 very large companies (4 of them were fortune 500 companies), every one of them used Verizon here in the US. We are not talking companies with 500 users, we are talking companies who have 5000+ users. Multi million dollar cell phone plans/contracts.

    Verizon is a the largest carrier here in the US, HP would be stabbing them in the foot in the US market by not getting it Verizon compatible.

    Although other carriers will help on a global level, but, if they want to be the big guns in the US and a sold chance for this phone to succeed, they NEED Verizon support.

    Word is, from a few sources(some people I know at MS, take it with a grain of salt) I have heard they ARE still trying to work with Verizon before the US release.



    You take a little picture and cut it out, so we cant see all of it. That image could be from an Android device for all we know.

    Do you have the full document you speak of in a PDF or something else to prove that it IS for the X3 ? This does not clear it up for me.
    Here, a screenshot. "You take a little picture and cut it out, so we cant see all of it." That was never my intention. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0P...w?usp=drivesdk
    I cannot share any further information and I do hope they either make a version for Verizon (like the icon L928) or find a way to support it on this version of the phone.
    Later

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    06-04-2016 12:44 PM
  22. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    Even a full document does NOT mean anything as "unless this has some additional" background. I worked at HP for 15 years and there are "all kinds" of documents and versions and targeted audiences ... etc. associated with everyone.

    ONE document does NOT mean "anything" !!!
    06-04-2016 05:00 PM
  23. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    I used to have Verizon and was told they were in the process of switching to gsm by a tech. They need to switch and get with the program.

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    06-04-2016 07:31 PM
  24. Luckyshot000's Avatar
    CDMA has better coverage in the United States (where Verizon does business), Maybe the smaller GSM community should get with the program. Why should Verizon change all of their towers to GSM just so they are on the same technology with their smaller competitors? Makes no sense really. Now, if they provided international service, it might be a different argument. Besides, Verizon is already making their investment to go to LTE only eventually so the GSM v CDMA argument would be moot.

    Oh, what am I saying....Verizon, should spend billions to change over to GSM so the AT&T & TMobile customers can have decent coverage.
    06-05-2016 06:28 PM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    CDMA has better coverage in the United States (where Verizon does business), Maybe the smaller GSM community should get with the program. Why should Verizon change all of their towers to GSM just so they are on the same technology with their smaller competitors? Makes no sense really. Now, if they provided international service, it might be a different argument. Besides, Verizon is already making their investment to go to LTE only eventually so the GSM v CDMA argument would be moot.

    Oh, what am I saying....Verizon, should spend billions to change over to GSM so the AT&T & TMobile customers can have decent coverage.

    I'll leave this here: CDMA vs. GSM: What's the Difference? | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

    4G is GSM all the way. That's why Vzw and Sprint phones now come with SIM trays, to access those carriers' LTE.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized

    EV-DO is the CDMA 3G and it is dying tech. EV-DO Rev A can reach 3.1Mbps and Rev B can reach 4.9Mbps. Rev C, the H+ alternative for CDMA never got off the ground and Sprint used WiMAX as a stop gap. Vzw went straight to LTE GSM deployment.

    By contrast, the GSM 3G system maxed out as HSDPA (or H+) reaching up to 42.2Mbps.

    So, yeah, add in the Carrier Side authorization for phones by MEID check and I don't wanna CDMA.
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    06-05-2016 08:44 PM
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