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  1. Generalheed's Avatar
    I'll leave this here: CDMA vs. GSM: What's the Difference? | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

    4G is GSM all the way. That's why Vzw and Sprint phones now come with SIM trays, to access those carriers' LTE.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized

    EV-DO is the CDMA 3G and it is dying tech. EV-DO Rev A can reach 3.1Mbps and Rev B can reach 4.9Mbps. Rev C, the H+ alternative for CDMA never got off the ground and Sprint used WiMAX as a stop gap. Vzw went straight to LTE GSM deployment.

    By contrast, the GSM 3G system maxed out as HSDPA (or H+) reaching up to 42.2Mbps.

    So, yeah, add in the Carrier Side authorization for phones by MEID check and I don't wanna CDMA.
    The real advantage of CDMA phones is that it protects you from Sam L Jackson's free SIM card scheme where he tricks people into putting SIM cards into phones which can be used to manipulate people into attacking each other.
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    06-05-2016 08:54 PM
  2. Luckyshot000's Avatar
    I knew LTE was the same tech across carriers for the most part (FDD v TDD but that's international), but my point was for 2g and 3g technologies which are still being used in some areas. This is mostly in rural areas where the towers haven't been upgraded. Not sure that it is true to say GSM and LTE are equivalent other than requiring a SIM. They are different technologies. In fact, 3g GSM isn't really GSM, its a variant of CDMA. LTE is just the common standard all carriers are moving to.

    The point is Verizon isn't going to adopt GSM for any reason, rather they are going to convert to VoLTE.
    06-05-2016 09:34 PM
  3. groady-ho baluzy's Avatar
    Well I live in rural America where BIg Red was supposed to be better. Had so many dropped calls it wasn't funny. Switched to att dropped calls disappeared. I always figured it was Verizon's way to get me to switch from wp. The great thing about switching back to att was that all my old phones (lumias) work again just by popping a sim back in.
    Last edited by groady-ho baluzy; 06-06-2016 at 10:39 AM.
    06-06-2016 06:55 AM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Yeah, I traveled all over the western US last year from Missouri up into S. Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and over through Utah, Nevada, California then down into Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma on my way home.

    Theoretically I went through many areas where Vzw is king and all other networks struggle...

    My wife and I were on Cricket (AT&T towers) and we had no loss of service issues at all.

    When Vzw built out their CDMA network many years ago is far different than the state of carrier coverage today. I wouldn't expect Verizon to backfill CDMA with UMTS, but they are also coasting on an old reputation and old technology that is not necessarily relevant any longer.

    Verizon loves proprietary. They love controlling their consumers' access. Selecting their phones for them. Making full BYOD difficult if not impossible. Hinking with the firmware of phones like the infamous missing MMS settings ability on their branded Windows Phones that disallows you getting MMS or Group Text if you take a Vzw branded Windows Phone to another service.

    Even their spectrum usage habits are about control. In the 700 MHz spectrum they are running Band 13 in the upper half of block C. ATT and T-Mo are running blocks A, B, and/or (lower) C on bands 17 and 12 respectively and an accord has been reached via FCC negotiations for ATT to move to Band 12 and create interoperability for Band 17 devices to function on a Band 12 rollout. This eases roaming and tower sharing. But Verizon wants to go their own way and make it more difficult for their consumers to roam by continuing the practice of exclusivity in connect-ability. It's Verizon's way and Verizon's phones and towers or you are cut out. They don't want their consumers roaming easily onto other networks and don't want others roaming onto theirs.

    Every time I shop carriers (and I revisit this regularly), Verizon plans would cost me more than any other. Paying extra to be locked into a box of their design and being forced to conform to the devices and access they deign to make available is the Vzw way. Again, no thank you.

    This idea of limiting flexibility for consumers is a trap of their own devising and they are caught in it just as their consumers are. It is no wonder to me why the Lumia 950/XL, the Lumia 550 and the Lumia 650 are not on Verizon. Many blame Microsoft. They could have, should have jumped through all the hoops to be graced with the chance to have a handset on Verizon...

    Is that the way Huge multinationals partner? All conditions flowing one way?

    I won't be left wondering why if the Elite X3 doesn't play on Verizon either...
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    06-06-2016 11:08 AM
  5. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Here, a screenshot. "You take a little picture and cut it out, so we cant see all of it." That was never my intention. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0P...w?usp=drivesdk
    I cannot share any further information and I do hope they either make a version for Verizon (like the icon L928) or find a way to support it on this version of the phone.
    Later

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    I stand corrected, Thank you for clearing that up.

    Cool device no question but, till Microsoft gets their crap together and start actually supporting Windows Phone (W10m), I don't think I would buy it.

    Bug fixing is not want I mean by supporting...(Preview program is bug fixes 95%)

    Yeah, I traveled all over the western US last year from Missouri up into S. Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and over through Utah, Nevada, California then down into Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma on my way home.

    Theoretically I went through many areas where Vzw is king and all other networks struggle...

    My wife and I were on Cricket (AT&T towers) and we had no loss of service issues at all....
    And I did custom home theater installs a few years ago (3 years ago), cool stuff, well over Million dollar setups. Anyway. I had Verizon, my partner who I worked with had AT&T... This is through the back roads and main areas here in CT, NY(CT line) and some RI.

    Did you know my partner used MY phone more than his ? He would be dropping calls all the time. Countless times this was the case.

    So, Carrier coverage all depends on where you live and travel. Sprint is really good in some towns in parts of the US, and in other areas, they are the worse.

    Just like anything else... but, AT&T is better now, most areas it's not a big deal...Verizon is not perfect, every carrier has dead sports, it just depends on who has more in what area and at what cost.
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    06-06-2016 08:14 PM
  6. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    I hope, like many others here, that Verizon will cave to a company the size and scope of HP ... but, we shall soon see won't we! It's a completely different world in the large Enterprise company "carrier space" and it's not like a large company will get Verizon coverage = we will also benefit as smaller companies and perhaps even individuals.

    IF Verizon were NOT the largest US Carrier, then HP would simple ignore Verizon, but HP is a powerful force and command an extensive salesforce and partner/re-seller ecosystem!

    Even Verizon is subject to investors and their Board who "I doubt" would look kindly to a successful launch of the HP Elite x3 and NOT get additional millions of dollars of revenue - in a shrinking "smartphone marketplace"!
    06-07-2016 12:04 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    I hope, like many others here, that Verizon will cave to a company the size and scope of HP
    Verizon should certainly keep an eye on HP's moves due to HP's size and presence in the business world. However, we need to keep in mind that we're talking about a device with an OS having a negligible market share. So far, no carrier has taken WP/WM seriously. Will Verizon have anything to gain by jumping all over the Elite x3? Possibly, but it's also realistic that it would end up being an investment with returns that are marginal at best.

    Plenty of hype was seen over the BlackBerry Priv, but in the end only AT&T supported it. Look where that ended up. No other carrier went for it, and recently AT&T publicly admitted that the Priv is not doing well.

    In the end, it is still up to HP whether or not the Elite x3 works on Verizon. There are now a number of factory unlocked phones that are used on Verizon. If HP is serious about reaching Verizon's business customers, they'll make it happen. From the information we have, it seems that it is ultimately HP's choice. Whether it is worth it or not is another matter, but it is certainly possible to do.

    Remember, this forum is full of WP/W10M/Microsoft enthusiasts. Just because I see it as the ultimate OS doesn't mean that everyone else does. We think "How can anyone choose iOS/Android when they can get a WP?". We do not see it any other way. However, each of us have a choice. Almost all users choose something else.

    Another thing to consider is that we do not yet have many details about the phone. Virtually everything so far is speculation. Let's see how this all spins out!
    06-07-2016 12:30 PM
  8. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    It's really NOT about "Verizon SUPPORT" as HP has the scale and partner ecosystem that HP will most likely not be delivering "just phones and carrier access" ... BUT, a "full service end-to-end solution" !!! Verizon can't even spell "solution"!

    In the Enterprise/business solutions arena ... ANY smartphone, tablet, etc. is simply an "endpoint device" for the Enterprise to "deliver" specific information directly to say a sales person, support person, key management, etc.

    This is where "security" and "Continuum", etc. make a huge difference.

    Verizon - and any other carrier, ISP, WiFi provider, etc. - ONLY needs to provide the "pipe" and very little else. Verizon would lose MILLIONS as iPhones and Android can NOT run legacy corporate applications easily and Windows 10 can.

    Windows 10 Phones - despite what has happened in the consumer space - do have a significant "opportunity" to add real value.

    WE SHALL SOON SEE !!!

    BTW Large companies "SEE stuff many months ahead of an launch" = MANY Large HP customers have ALREADY been shown the HP Elite x3 and HP would most likely NOT be launching if the "customer reaction was not extremely positive"!
    Last edited by anywhereanytime; 06-08-2016 at 04:42 PM.
    06-08-2016 04:29 PM
  9. Jason Kosal's Avatar
    If HP does end up putting the Elite X3 on VZW, it is agreed that they would have to perform 3rd party testing to join the network. Is this based on the phone or the chip/radio?

    The reason I ask is that if it's the chip that is tested, could this potentially open up the approval of the 950XL on VZW? I read somewhere that part of the problem was that CDMA support in Windows 10 had not been fully integrated???

    I currently have a 950 XL I purchased, switched to ATT, realized I did not have coverage then went back to Verizon. I have one of the most beautiful phones ever created sitting on my desk not being used. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. It is clean, smooth, fast, and has a phenomenal camera. As my colleague put it. "it's sexy".

    I will admit, I am slightly biased towards windows since I am an IT Manager by trade. I work with Windows 24 X 7, it only makes sense my phone is Windows.

    Any insight is helpful.

    Thanks,

    Jason
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    06-21-2016 11:45 AM
  10. Y2HBK's Avatar
    If HP does end up putting the Elite X3 on VZW, it is agreed that they would have to perform 3rd party testing to join the network. Is this based on the phone or the chip/radio?

    The reason I ask is that if it's the chip that is tested, could this potentially open up the approval of the 950XL on VZW? I read somewhere that part of the problem was that CDMA support in Windows 10 had not been fully integrated???

    I currently have a 950 XL I purchased, switched to ATT, realized I did not have coverage then went back to Verizon. I have one of the most beautiful phones ever created sitting on my desk not being used. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. It is clean, smooth, fast, and has a phenomenal camera. As my colleague put it. "it's sexy".

    I will admit, I am slightly biased towards windows since I am an IT Manager by trade. I work with Windows 24 X 7, it only makes sense my phone is Windows.

    Any insight is helpful.

    Thanks,

    Jason
    My understanding is the 950/950XL not working on Verizon is a hardware limitation. No form of firmware update or the like will make it work. Microsoft would have to release a new version of the 950/950XL.
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    06-21-2016 12:38 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    My understanding is the the radio is set at Qualcomm for the SoC order and it is a preassembly of the phone process.

    I could very well be wrong, but I have a strong impression that it is the case.

    Evidence? Looks inside Field Test will reveal some frequencies/bands that may be enabled on some Windows Phone models. This would be Firmware switches that can be flicked off and on. No device I've heard of has "all the radios" waiting.

    More evidence? The Nexus 4 is a pretty famous example. The Snapdragon S4 inside had some US LTE bands enabled, but disabled via firmware and hidden away due to lack of FCC certification. Hacks came out to enable LTE, but no hack in the world could coax out CDMA support. It just was not enabled on the SoC.
    06-21-2016 04:15 PM
  12. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    My understanding is the the radio is set at Qualcomm for the SoC order and it is a preassembly of the phone process.

    I could very well be wrong, but I have a strong impression that it is the case.

    Evidence? Looks inside Field Test will reveal some frequencies/bands that may be enabled on some Windows Phone models. This would be Firmware switches that can be flicked off and on. No device I've heard of has "all the radios" waiting.

    More evidence? The Nexus 4 is a pretty famous example. The Snapdragon S4 inside had some US LTE bands enabled, but disabled via firmware and hidden away due to lack of FCC certification. Hacks came out to enable LTE, but no hack in the world could coax out CDMA support. It just was not enabled on the SoC.
    EXCELLENT POINT = if accurate, sure "looks like" that "either" this "closes the door" - OR - there is a "special variant" like the Lumia ICON and the "international Lumia 930 variant"?

    So, "bottom-line" may truly be = we simply do NOT - YET - KNOW and HP and Verizon are either still negotiating ???

    ANY "Verizon WILL NOT OFFER an HP Elite x3" - that has been CERTIFIED on their network *** CONTRARY to the FCC 700 MHz auction "ground rules" *** would have surely made the Press by now !
    06-21-2016 08:31 PM
  13. dksf42's Avatar
    Well, perhaps a good sign - my Lumia Icon is 2 1/2 years old and was "discontinued by Verizon" almost 2 years ago !!!

    I'd say Microsoft is SERIOUS about not letting us Windows 10 Phone users get left behind!

    Verizon is set to upgrade Lumia Icon to Windows 10 Mobile on June 23

    Verizon's Lumia Icon will be added to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview program

    The Verizon Lumia Icon - Windows 10 Mobile breathes new life into an aging flagship
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    06-26-2016 10:19 AM
  14. barnyak10's Avatar
    Mr. MacPhisto,

    I don't know who your sources are or where you get your information, but none of what you are saying is true. This phone will not support Verizon or CDMA. Verizon wireless hasn't picked up a non Microsoft Windows phone for 2 years like you said they would a while back. Windows Phone has completely abandoned Verizon Wireless all together. I don't understand how you have all these sources or whatever and they always turn out to be wrong. It sucks
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    07-04-2016 09:46 AM
  15. JM_Thomas's Avatar
    Well, I had heard from one VZ rep that VZW was still in negotiations with HP over the x3.

    Now that may be for a "exclusive" model like the Icon, but if it is too crippled compared to the stock GSM unit, seriously considering going to AT&T since they are finally expanding into central Nebraska.
    07-04-2016 06:37 PM
  16. dksf42's Avatar
    Well, perhaps a good sign - my Lumia Icon is 2 1/2 years old and was "discontinued by Verizon" almost 2 years ago !!!

    I'd say Microsoft is SERIOUS about not letting us Windows 10 Phone users get left behind!

    Verizon is set to upgrade Lumia Icon to Windows 10 Mobile on June 23

    Verizon's Lumia Icon will be added to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview program

    The Verizon Lumia Icon - Windows 10 Mobile breathes new life into an aging flagship
    After two weeks using Windows 10 on my VERIZON Lumia Icon and "how wonderful Windows 10 Mobile is" = there is no way that "a version of the Elite x3" is simply not part of HP's plan. I spent 15 years at HP and my HP friends tell me that they are on Verizon (Silicon Valley area) and the internal buzz is heavy over the Elite x3.

    We shall see!
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    07-07-2016 09:51 AM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    After two weeks using Windows 10 on my VERIZON Lumia Icon and "how wonderful Windows 10 Mobile is" = there is no way that "a version of the Elite x3" is simply not part of HP's plan. I spent 15 years at HP and my HP friends tell me that they are on Verizon (Silicon Valley area) and the internal buzz is heavy over the Elite x3.

    We shall see!
    Time will tell, IN THE US, a Phone OEM NEEDS Verizon to succeed. A lot of large corporate compaines have Verizon because of their coverage. Microsoft I am sure wants HP to get Verizon. If they can also PROMOTE the phone to reps to show the advanages to it, MAYBE WIndows Phone could turn around a little.

    Verizon is really the big guns in phone carriers in the US, any phone needs to be on Verizon to have any luck succeeding..
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    07-08-2016 07:35 AM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I had a good chuckle over this article: https://www.techdirt.com/blog/wirele...ice-hike.shtml
    07-08-2016 09:18 AM
  19. Y2HBK's Avatar
    This is the latest from our enterprise HP contact:

    “We will be launching the HP Elite x3 with AT&T in the US. It will most likely also support T-Mobile, but is not yet confirmed. The issue with Verizon support has to do with their ongoing conversion of their CDMA network to VoLTE (Voice over LTE). To the best of my knowledge VoLTE support is still under development with Window 10 Mobile. We fully expect future x3 devices to have multi-carrier support, but it is not likely to be available at initial launch.”
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    07-08-2016 11:59 AM
  20. JM_Thomas's Avatar
    This is the latest from our enterprise HP contact:

    “We will be launching the HP Elite x3 with AT&T in the US. It will most likely also support T-Mobile, but is not yet confirmed. The issue with Verizon support has to do with their ongoing conversion of their CDMA network to VoLTE (Voice over LTE). To the best of my knowledge VoLTE support is still under development with Window 10 Mobile. We fully expect future x3 devices to have multi-carrier support, but it is not likely to be available at initial launch.”
    Aww man, that stinks.
    07-08-2016 01:55 PM
  21. dksf42's Avatar
    After two weeks using Windows 10 on my VERIZON Lumia Icon and "how wonderful Windows 10 Mobile is" = there is no way that "a version of the Elite x3" is simply not part of HP's plan. I spent 15 years at HP and my HP friends tell me that they are on Verizon (Silicon Valley area) and the internal buzz is heavy over the Elite x3.

    We shall see!
    Well, the "spec sheet is out" and NO Verizon !

    Of course, there would be NO REASON to support the Lumia ICON on Windows 10 Phone *** IF Verizon and Microsoft truly intended to NOT to support Windows 10 Phone *** !!!

    STILL NO "Official" word from HP on Verizon - or CARRIERS for that matter???
    07-10-2016 03:43 PM
  22. JM_Thomas's Avatar
    This is why I keep hoping that AT&T will buy out Viaero, a GSM provider that is squatting on the frequencies that AT&T could use to cover most of the western 2/3's of Nebraska and NE Colorado.

    I had Viaero for a few months 4 years ago and they are one of the WORST companies to deal with, even worse than Verizon. Lousy support, no sales support. They fob off junk second-hand phones that are rejected in production runs by other carriers for quality/techincal issues, Viaero buys them up for pennies and sells them as a1 quality phones. They target specifically low-income users with sweetheart deals that basically rob them blind.

    If AT&T would buy them up, then I would switch to GSM-based phones in a heart beat and be rocking the x3, a Blackberry Passport, any of the other high quality GSM phones instead of the weak units VZW still peddles.
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    07-11-2016 12:42 PM
  23. dksf42's Avatar
    What is the installed base - or best estimate - of TOTAL number of Lumia Icons "SOLD to date"?

    We know that Verizon "dropped the Icon after less than a year" ... but, the Microsoft store "were directly selling them for many months after" as I had a number of friends buy them that way.

    So ... I have read as low as 600,000 and as high as 1,000,000 ?

    Anybody "know or may have read somewhere"?
    07-11-2016 03:03 PM
  24. dksf42's Avatar
    HP's US website is now showing a US price of $799 for just the phone itself - but no real mention of carriers?
    07-16-2016 07:01 PM
  25. MDK22's Avatar
    I think some of us are missing the point ...
    IF enterprise customer ABC company wants the HP Elite x3 & they are Verizon subs ...
    They'll subsequently be AT&T (or T-Mobile) subs, it's really that simple.
    07-16-2016 07:39 PM
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