04-28-2016 11:23 PM
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  1. supask8a23's Avatar
    I'm your run of the mill smartphone user, I don't buy unlocked phones, have never switched carriers and so on. I'm on Verizon right now with a 928 with my 2 year contract having ended, and am waiting it out for this alleged Surface Phone (yeah yeah wasting my time, won't ever happen, they've given up on windows phone blah blah)

    But I've been very impressed by the Elite X3 and since the reality of a Surface Phone is slowly diminishing I was thinking I might jump on the HP bandwagon...

    Here's the problem: "The Elite x3 won't be available through wireless carriers; instead HP will offer it through business channels directly to companies."

    Sooo basically the average person can't get this unless they work for a company that offers it?

    ALSO this was Microsoft's strategy for the Surface Phone making it "more business oriented" will Microsoft do the same thing? Am I interpreting this quote wrong? Why would they make such an impressive phone and not make it available the entire public?

    http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-elite-x3/#!
    04-05-2016 09:53 AM
  2. TechFreak1's Avatar
    The HP Elite X3 is first and foremost geared to the enterprise and given the amount of tech onboard it won't be cheap either. Therefore it may be sold to consumers via Microsoft or HP's own website as the only consumer channels (perhaps licensed partners as well).

    The Surface Phone if anything will need to perform dual roles - be geared for the enterprise and delight users all across the spectrum. However we can only speculate what the actual product will be in terms of design and functionality.
    04-05-2016 09:58 AM
  3. BryceMD's Avatar
    Why wouldn't 'run of the mill' smartphone users buy unlocked phones? My monthly rate is 20 dollars cheaper just by fact of using my own phone. Not even including any subsidized costs that would have been included otherwise on a contract.
    04-05-2016 10:47 AM
  4. supask8a23's Avatar
    run of the mill for me just meant going the easiest route, that's all I've ever done. Pop into Verizon sign a two year contract buy the phone swipe the card, done. Sheeple, robot, if you will that's what I am lol
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    04-05-2016 11:46 AM
  5. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Right. Run of the mill users are buying their phones from the carrier and having their monthly bill padded by the amortized cost. At least in the US.
    04-05-2016 05:02 PM
  6. Jakoh's Avatar
    One word advice to you....
    CHANGE

    I'm your run of the mill smartphone user, I don't buy unlocked phones, have never switched carriers and so on. I'm on Verizon right now with a 928 with my 2 year contract having ended...
    rdubmu and melhiore like this.
    04-06-2016 02:53 PM
  7. npoe's Avatar
    I'm somewhat interested on the phone but I'll probably keep the 950 XL for 2 or 3 years. Unless something too awesome appears next year, but it has to be really awesome.
    04-06-2016 06:35 PM
  8. jasqid's Avatar
    I don't think you will be seeing any windows phones coming to Verizon anytime soon if at all. I would not be surprised if they block the HP as they did with the 950's. I was watching a vlog from last summer/fall with Paul Thurott, Leo Laporte and MJ Foley. Paul had inside info in which he stated if you like WP/mobile, VZW is not for you. He didn't elaborate any further.
    Jeddic likes this.
    04-06-2016 08:30 PM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Why wouldn't 'run of the mill' smartphone users buy unlocked phones? My monthly rate is 20 dollars cheaper just by fact of using my own phone. Not even including any subsidized costs that would have been included otherwise on a contract.
    Buying unlocked phones means buying them online in most cases. Many people want to look at and try out the phones in a store before buying.
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    04-06-2016 09:05 PM
  10. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Buying unlocked phones means buying them online in most cases. Many people want to look at and try out the phones in a store before buying.
    I tend to think buying unlocked phones is the most common method except for certain countries where locked phones are the norm. And online isn't as common as you think. Stores and shops are the common feature where phones are on display and buy it there and then
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-07-2016 01:11 AM
  11. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I tend to think buying unlocked phones is the most common method except for certain countries where locked phones are the norm. And online isn't as common as you think. Stores and shops are the common feature where phones are on display and buy it there and then
    I tend to think buying unlocked phones is the most common method except for certain countries where locked phones are the norm. And online isn't as common as you think. Stores and shops are the common feature where phones are on display and buy it there and then
    Here in the US, the only brick and mortar stores that sell unlocked phones are Microsoft Stores, Apple Stores, B&H Photo (only one store in New York City), and some Best Buy stores (Nexus and Moto). So the selection is very limited here.
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    04-07-2016 01:45 AM
  12. mikepalma's Avatar
    How do I know if my 950xl is.unlocked?
    04-07-2016 02:16 AM
  13. DavidinCT's Avatar
    The big question for the OP is...Will the X3 support Verizon wireless. From a discussion on Twitter with Mary Jo Foley said that HP was trying to win Verizon but, nothing set in stone. Time will tell, As I am in the same case as the OP, I have an ICON but, there really is no other choices for a Windows Phone device that beats out the ICON on Verizon.

    As for buying. I am sure you will be able to buy one. The question is how and when. Normally these corp products are available for the corporate customers right away but, consumer version gets delayed a little. Keep in mind they are gearing this product towards businesses, they have said that. Not everyone has 5000 user busness, some places have 10-15 employees and I am sure they would offer this to smaller busnesses. So as a end user getting one, I am sure it wont be a problem unless they have a delay on selling to small business (most people could quaifly for a small business even with a little white lie).

    The ONLY problem that most people will have is, no carrier discounts on it. So if the phone is released for $699, if you want one, it will cost you $699. No carrier billing a montly fee, or anything of that sort. I guess you could get a credit card and finance it for $20 for 2 years :-\

    Normally when you look over a new phone, say a iPhone 6, it's $599 (for example) but, with new service, it's $199. You wont be able to get these discounts unless the carriers carry the X3 and at this stage, I dont see this happening.

    There is a lot of people here who want this phone but, it will be out of reach for a lot of people here because of the cost...

    I want this phone but, no matter on how much I want it, not sure about paying $700 for one...

    ALSO this was Microsoft's strategy for the Surface Phone making it "more business oriented" will Microsoft do the same thing? Am I interpreting this quote wrong? Why would they make such an impressive phone and not make it available the entire public?

    http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-elite-x3/#!
    This is a busness product, not a consumer product. Carriers in the US add a lot of red tape, limitations, and changes required for the carriers (Verizon is big on this), never mind costs. By selling a unlocked model, they remove limitations that carriers put on.
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 04-07-2016 at 08:03 AM.
    04-07-2016 07:52 AM
  14. Jazmac's Avatar
    The HP Elite X3 is first and foremost geared to the enterprise and given the amount of tech onboard it won't be cheap either. Therefore it may be sold to consumers via Microsoft or HP's own website as the only consumer channels (perhaps licensed partners as well).

    The Surface Phone if anything will need to perform dual roles - be geared for the enterprise and delight users all across the spectrum. However we can only speculate what the actual product will be in terms of design and functionality.
    What does 'not cheap' translate to? I know its set for business but in the current BYOD climate, they are not going to be compelled to spend too much over what current smart prices are selling for. Lets not even talk about the bumper crop of Chinese flagships from companies like Xiaomi, ZTE, Huahui, One Plus One and others selling for less than half of what we pay for em. I suspect they would have to at least be competitive wouldn't you agree?
    04-07-2016 08:33 AM
  15. Sunstorming's Avatar
    How do I know if my 950xl is.unlocked?
    Where did you buy it? If you got it through AT&T with a contract, it is most likely locked. If you didn't, it is unlocked. Also, AT&T really doesn't care about keeping phones locked to their network. A simple request and they will unlock it within a day or so.
    04-07-2016 09:41 AM
  16. mikepalma's Avatar
    Where did you buy it? If you got it through AT&T with a contract, it is most likely locked. If you didn't, it is unlocked. Also, AT&T really doesn't care about keeping phones locked to their network. A simple request and they will unlock it within a day or so.
    I bought it from MS store for $650. Unlocked? Does it show in Settings somewhere?
    04-09-2016 02:03 PM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I bought it from MS store for $650. Unlocked? Does it show in Settings somewhere?
    Dial ##7820# and it will take you to a screen showing a padlock in front of a SIM card... Padlock shows the state: locked/unlocked.

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    04-09-2016 08:21 PM
  18. Britt Floyd's Avatar
    you forgot motorola stores and there are some
    04-10-2016 05:05 PM
  19. Player Piano's Avatar
    Dial ##7820# and it will take you to a screen showing a padlock in front of a SIM card... Padlock shows the state: locked/unlocked.

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    This is not always accurate though. I have 2 factory unlocked Lumia phones, an L920 and L950, and when entering ##7820# both show the device being locked when in fact they are factory unlocked.
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    04-26-2016 12:32 PM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    This is not always accurate though. I have 2 factory unlocked Lumia phones, an L920 and L950, and when entering ##7820# both show the device being locked when in fact they are factory unlocked.
    That can happen during a reset...
    04-26-2016 12:50 PM
  21. Player Piano's Avatar
    That can happen during a reset...
    This has always been the case for the 920. Ever since day 1 it always showed as being locked even when not.
    04-26-2016 12:56 PM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I had a long conversation about this in 1520 forum with another user, but can't track it down for reference.

    Bottom line... It seems I can input any string of the right length in my 1520.3 (Factory Unlocked) and use that to show the unlocked padlock again. That user could not replicate my experience. I wouldn't recommend too many attempts at this however as I believe there is a finite number of rejections and then your phone gets bricked and only a Care Center can restore your device.
    Player Piano likes this.
    04-26-2016 01:15 PM
  23. Player Piano's Avatar
    I had a long conversation about this in 1520 forum with another user, but can't track it down for reference.

    Bottom line... It seems I can input any string of the right length in my 1520.3 (Factory Unlocked) and use that to show the unlocked padlock again. That user could not replicate my experience. I wouldn't recommend too many attempts at this however as I believe there is a finite number of rejections and then your phone gets bricked and only a Care Center can restore your device.
    Nice. I will give it a try.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    04-26-2016 02:00 PM
  24. Jakoh's Avatar
    How do I know if my 950xl is.unlocked?
    Simple, put a different SIM in it.
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    04-27-2016 01:00 PM
  25. Jeddic's Avatar
    What does 'not cheap' translate to? I know its set for business but in the current BYOD climate, they are not going to be compelled to spend too much over what current smart prices are selling for. Lets not even talk about the bumper crop of Chinese flagships from companies like Xiaomi, ZTE, Huahui, One Plus One and others selling for less than half of what we pay for em. I suspect they would have to at least be competitive wouldn't you agree?
    The X3 is targeting business users. If you want an idea of what business priorities and costs are, go look at HP, Dell, or Lenovo PCs and compare prices for business versus consumer laptops for the same processor. The price difference is stark. This phone is going to come with services that the average consumer will not be interested in at all, and therefore the cost will reflect that. If I had to make a guess right now, I'd guess that a fully-loaded X3 bought on its own would probably run around $1100. That said, HP might cut some of the services/features for consumers, and drop the price as well.

    As you said, there are a lot of solid, cheap phones. Those don't target users who want to manage servers from their phone like the X3 does, though. So no, I don't think it will be competitive. I think it will be dramatically more expensive, worth it for some companies, but largely panned by consumers.
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    04-28-2016 06:36 AM
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