HP Elite X3 selling for $799.00 in the US!

[N_LaRUE]

I'd imagine a suitable application would be engineers (in the field), nurses, possibly teachers.
On that last note, my daughter (teacher) brings her laptop home, periodically, BUT the bulk of her work is lightweight. The HP Elite x3 would probably fill the bill, perhaps w an add on to facilitate communication, internally (replacing phones in the classroom).
The ability to add on (pogo pins) is the missing link, to customize the hardware with add on bits, pertinent to your use case. The device could replace a toughbook, with a suitable case & less cost.
The add on could also be your personal add on (your sleeve, with your ID / SDcard), your info / preferences on a shared device, with security administered thru the add on.

Just some of the use cases ... I'm sure we could figure out many more.

It could also evolve into a big brother thing ... not that this doesn't already exist.

Thing is you can get a laptop a lot cheaper than this phone at the moment.

I'm sure there's plenty of use cases but it comes down to cost and if the IT services are in place. That's the simple reality.

 

[MDK22]

Thing is you can get a laptop a lot cheaper than this phone at the moment.

I'm sure there's plenty of use cases but it comes down to cost and if the IT services are in place. That's the simple reality.

COST will always drive decisions, those pogo pins are there for proprietary use (among other things not even thought of). How much does that (those) IT Security Specialist cost to manage their devices?

A cheap laptop can be had for less, in some cases, a tablet can be had for less.
However, in some cases the current solution is about the same price as the phone.
In the case of a toughbook, the phone would be a cheaper alternative.
Depends upon the scenario, HP did not develop this in a void, there must have been some problem(s) waiting for this solution.
They convened meetings with several Enterprise customers to evaluate customer needs / use cases and subsequently adoption.
They probably had a very good idea of cost when the customer(s) asked for everything.
Their pilot companies probably got the (nearly finished) devices @ a significant price break.
The quid pro quo was they were the Insider group, flushing out bugs, giving feedback, etc.
BYOD (and security) has become a (costly) nightmare for IT.

IF they don't sell them to Enterprise (adoption does NOT materialize), we may be able to avail ourselves of the fire sale. I earlier stated that a possible target may be 500k, that might be a tad low (possibly break even). I'd imagine they'd have to move (well) over a million units to justify R&D costs & turn a tidy profit.

TIME will tell ... were there over a million instances where Enterprise can benefit from this device.

 

[dksf42]

Depends upon the scenario, HP did not develop this in a void, there must have been some problem(s) waiting for this solution.
They convened meetings with several Enterprise customers to evaluate customer needs / use cases and subsequently adoption.
They probably had a very good idea of cost when the customer(s) asked for everything.
Their pilot companies probably got the (nearly finished) devices @ a significant price break.
The quid pro quo was they were the Insider group, flushing out bugs, giving feedback, etc.
BYOD (and security) has become a (costly) nightmare for IT.

IF they don't sell them to Enterprise (adoption does NOT materialize), we may be able to avail ourselves of the fire sale. I earlier stated that a possible target may be 500k, that might be a tad low (possibly break even). I'd imagine they'd have to move (well) over a million units to justify R&D costs & turn a tidy profit.

TIME will tell ... were there over a million instances where Enterprise can benefit from this device.

I completely agree and that's why I simply can NOT understand the lack of any Verizon "discussion" in the US market?

In fact, if you carefully read all of the "current reports" there is little "mention of carriers" in the US market ... except, all of us reading the specs and tea leaves!

Verizon would lose tens of millions of dollars in revenue by not having a Verizon "certified version"!!!

 

[JM_Thomas]

I completely agree and that's why I simply can NOT understand the lack of any Verizon "discussion" in the US market?

In fact, if you carefully read all of the "current reports" there is little "mention of carriers" in the US market ... except, all of us reading the specs and tea leaves!

Verizon would lose tens of millions of dollars in revenue by not having a Verizon "certified version"!!!

This might explain why we haven't see anything here in the US about carrier availability yet.

I get the feeling VZW is playing their usual childish games of "I want an exclusive device for CDMA, I want total control on updates, etc..." like normal, but this time, with HP backing them, Microsoft is telling VZW to pound sand.

MS says either let us manage the software or no deal, and VZW won't blink just yet. Then again it may be Qualcomm that is balking at it since they are the ones to grant license for CDMA radios.

Hard telling at this point.

 

[MDK22]

This might explain why we haven't see anything here in the US about carrier availability yet.

I get the feeling VZW is playing their usual childish games of "I want an exclusive device for CDMA, I want total control on updates, etc..." like normal, but this time, with HP backing them, Microsoft is telling VZW to pound sand.

MS says either let us manage the software or no deal, and VZW won't blink just yet. Then again it may be Qualcomm that is balking at it since they are the ones to grant license for CDMA radios.

Hard telling at this point.

You could be correct (Qualcomm), but highly doubtful - the CDMA radio already exists on the SoC, simply some firmware to implement it (from what I've read).

As I said before, HP has the hammer with this, it's up to Verizon to decide. IF Enterprises are clamoring for this device (and the limiting factor is the Verizon contract), we'll see what service level AT&T will give us & at what price.

THIS will NOT be resolved by launch date - Verizon is notorious for these tactics.
It'll take subscribers leaving (threatened or otherwise w the trickledown to consumer level when the employees lose their discount) to move them.

BTW - I was a Verizon sub. They would not entertain the discount new subs got for existing upgrades (on whatever phone was in vogue @ the time). I left for AT&T for FREE (the same or very similar) phones & lower cost for monthly service probably 10 years ago.

 

[dksf42]

This might explain why we haven't see anything here in the US about carrier availability yet.

I get the feeling VZW is playing their usual childish games of "I want an exclusive device for CDMA, I want total control on updates, etc..." like normal, but this time, with HP backing them, Microsoft is telling VZW to pound sand.

MS says either let us manage the software or no deal, and VZW won't blink just yet. Then again it may be Qualcomm that is balking at it since they are the ones to grant license for CDMA radios.

Hard telling at this point.

In addition to "large companies teaming with HP to bring buying pressure" on Verizon, I raise again that "our Verizon Lumia ICONS were NOT on the original Windows 10 Mobile upgrade list!!!

Then, almost like magic, around June 14, 2016 ... the announcements started to fly about Verizon and Microsoft pushing out a supported "Technical Preview". We installed it + have had one OTA update pushed just a few days ago!

My Verizon ICON is my daily driver = it has worked flawlessly and way more powerful than Windows Denim 8.1 = a real reason to upgrade !!!

So, WHY would Verizon do this - they obsoleted the Lumia Icon almost 2 years ago - unless Verizon was at least either bowing to some pressure and/or was seeing the opportunity with the HP Elite x3 ???

Oh yes, some business colleagues with the Lumia 930 in the UK - sister device to Lumia ICON aka 929 - received their Windows 10 updates in late Feb/early March as I recall.

 

[cracgor]

COST will always drive decisions, those pogo pins are there for proprietary use (among other things not even thought of). How much does that (those) IT Security Specialist cost to manage their devices?

A cheap laptop can be had for less, in some cases, a tablet can be had for less.
However, in some cases the current solution is about the same price as the phone.
In the case of a toughbook, the phone would be a cheaper alternative.
Depends upon the scenario, HP did not develop this in a void, there must have been some problem(s) waiting for this solution.
They convened meetings with several Enterprise customers to evaluate customer needs / use cases and subsequently adoption.
They probably had a very good idea of cost when the customer(s) asked for everything.
Their pilot companies probably got the (nearly finished) devices @ a significant price break.
The quid pro quo was they were the Insider group, flushing out bugs, giving feedback, etc.
BYOD (and security) has become a (costly) nightmare for IT.

IF they don't sell them to Enterprise (adoption does NOT materialize), we may be able to avail ourselves of the fire sale. I earlier stated that a possible target may be 500k, that might be a tad low (possibly break even). I'd imagine they'd have to move (well) over a million units to justify R&D costs & turn a tidy profit.

TIME will tell ... were there over a million instances where Enterprise can benefit from this device.

Anytime someone wants to talk about how HP has some sort of insight, do remember the TouchPad.

 

[Chintan Gohel]

Is the mobile carrier market in the US free and open? I'm thinking our local telcom can beat everyone there if the decided to launch themselves in the US

 

[dksf42]

Is the mobile carrier market in the US free and open? I'm thinking our local telcom can beat everyone there if the decided to launch themselves in the US

The US market is carved out by 4 major carriers 1) Verizon, 2) AT&T, 3) Sprint, 4) T-Mobile + a number of "smaller regional carriers".

BUT, HUNDREDS of MVNOs that operate "with the big carriers networks" ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator

Verizon and AT&T have a virtual "stranglehold" in the US ... but, "the winds may be changing" !

For example, there are "no subsidies anymore", phone calls and TXT messaging, mobile hotspots, etc. are UNLIMITED and "monthly COST is based mainly on DATA usage" in GBs + so much "per connected device".

 

[editguy]

Anytime someone wants to talk about how HP has some sort of insight, do remember the TouchPad.

All companies, even the most successful, have some failures. All. No exceptions. That doesn't mean that they have no insight. Frequently because of those failures they become more cautious and do much more research for future products.

 

[editguy]

The US market is carved out by 4 major carriers 1) Verizon, 2) AT&T, 3) Sprint, 4) T-Mobile + a number of "smaller regional carriers". .

If you intended to rank those in order, I believe T-Mobile has now surpassed Sprint.

 

[Y2HBK]

Not sure if anyone saw or not but a HP tech did a AMA on Reddit last night. Link below.

$500 for the lap dock? Holy ****. Even our Enterprise sales rep said he heard that it was being targeted for $199-$249.

https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/4ttwxh/hp_x3_question_and_answer_time_ama/

 

[N_LaRUE]

Not sure if anyone saw or not but a HP tech did a AMA on Reddit last night. Link below.

$500 for the lap dock? Holy ****. Even our Enterprise sales rep said he heard that it was being targeted for $199-$249.

https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/4ttwxh/hp_x3_question_and_answer_time_ama/

I think HP have lost the plot.

Honestly. It's cool and all and 'very new' but really $500 for dumb terminal is a bit steep. It's also as heavy (or heavier?) as a Surface Pro.

All those saying HP have done the research I think this proves one thing. They have the high end market in mind only for this product. I don't think they plan to sell many at all.

Again, just going by personal experience I think most IT managers would be hard pressed to present this to upper management as a solution unless your company specifically fits in with this model.

As I've said before. At this stage of Windows 10 this product feels to me to be very niche.

 

[nate0]

With the drop of the Redstone release we may see more phones like this one...or more phones with W10M running on them . Redstone is suppose to be 64 bit and will open the door for continuum. This is price is reasonable to Enterprises, but in perspective takes some initiative on their part to integrate it into their environment I am sure.

For an average Windows Mobile user, this phone is a dream, and I am hoping the price drops sooner than later, because as soon as it does everyone and their sibling who is into Windows Mobile or willing to try it will drop 600 or less to get this thing. Folks willing to spend 500+ easy on an Android device that is not IP67 rated or even as durable are insane. Especially since android devices are a dime a dozen.

 

[RumoredNow]

Not sure if anyone saw or not but a HP tech did a AMA on Reddit last night. Link below

FWIW: The guy says he is in Sales, not tech. I was just looking at that from another link.

 

[Guytronic]

The guy says he is in Sales, not tech. I was just looking at that from another link.

My neighbor who was working for HP in sales had been using the x3 since it was publicly announced.

 

[libra89]

My neighbor who was working for HP in sales had been using the x3 since it was publicly announced.

Ooh lucky duck! Seems like a very interesting device.

 

[Alain_A]

My neighbor who was working for HP in sales had been using the x3 since it was publicly announced.

So, is it any good?

 

[dksf42]

My neighbor who was working for HP in sales had been using the x3 since it was publicly announced.

What does you neighbor say about Verizon?

 

[rdubmu]

What does you neighbor say about Verizon?

Why don't you switch to a better carrier?