12-21-2016 08:27 AM
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  1. Naif abdullah's Avatar


    hi
    until now it is not clear for me
    can x3 elite run x86 programs later ?
    or we need to upgrade to new phone !
    i didn't even open the box
    i just received it
    if not i will sell my phone now

    12-11-2016 07:13 AM
  2. arjan wolthuis's Avatar
    So far I know It's has an ARM cpu. So I don't think so
    12-11-2016 07:18 AM
  3. nate0's Avatar


    hi
    until now it is not clear for me
    can x3 elite run x86 programs later ?
    or we need to upgrade to new phone !
    i didn't even open the box
    i just received it
    if not i will sell my phone now

    At this point it is a wait and see thing. It is probably capable. I was watching the Full demo by Terry Myerson last night, and afterwards one of the VPs from Qualcomm came out carrying the X3 in hand. Later noted that the demo Myerson gave was on the same chipset as the HP unmodified. Not sure what that means for the X3, and that is all we really have. There are others around the forum that have more insight on this though. So, it is up to you.
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    12-11-2016 01:14 PM
  4. Naif abdullah's Avatar
    thank you all for your replays
    waiting for more replays
    12-11-2016 03:28 PM
  5. Kogling's Avatar
    If the Elite is compatible, I'm pretty certain HP would enable the feature.

    HP will lose their entire mobile market share if they refused to enable it and that's not mentioning a blow to their reputation since this Elite was advertised as a mobile workstation and x86 apps on ARM is very much the definition of that.

    What would be more important I guess is whether HP will try to exploit this feature to sell a new phone rather than update the elite which, for me, will be an instant loss of a customer for life across all their products. If they genuinely can't then no problem/

    MS has a really bad reputation of standing behind their "mobile" products (windows RT devices dropped, not bringing win 10 to RT when they said they would) so my tolerance is very little for this sort of BS.
    12-11-2016 04:31 PM
  6. xandros9's Avatar
    I will act on the assumption that it will never run x86 programs ever.
    12-11-2016 04:37 PM
  7. djncanada1's Avatar
    Have heard you need Snapdragon 835 which is next year's chip to run emulation layer, Elite X3 has Snapdragon 820.

    Unless HP/Microsoft plan to have field upgradable processors, I am guessing Elite X3 will not run X86 apps
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    12-11-2016 06:23 PM
  8. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    I think for now the X3 will mostly run any x86 from it's Web Portal service. So you can in Contiuum run Chrome and any other offerings that way.

    It may yet come to pass that an update to Windows 10 Mobile will allow this, as the X3 has the chip that ran the demo.

    I can't see Microsoft slapping HP in the face at this point, after HP has placed faith in Microsoft and it's direction.
    12-11-2016 07:34 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    I think for now the X3 will mostly run any x86 from it's Web Portal service. So you can in Contiuum run Chrome and any other offerings that way.

    It may yet come to pass that an update to Windows 10 Mobile will allow this, as the X3 has the chip that ran the demo.

    I can't see Microsoft slapping HP in the face at this point, after HP has placed faith in Microsoft and it's direction.
    the web portal service - HP Workspace - needs a lot of backend support, stuff that the normal joe won't have.

    Do not be optimistic here given Microsoft's past, I will not assume any big new features for phones that are already released.

    The X3 may have the same chip as that on the demo but also remember that Continuum was demoed on the Lumia 930 and 1520 in the past. (Someone also hacked Continuum to work on the 830 but performance wasn't terrific.) The Windows Phone community put faith in MS and look what happened.

    MS not supporting x86 on existing phones won't be much of a slap since its just business-as-usual for them and that I imagine HP didn't necessarily know/think that x86 was going to come.
    12-11-2016 09:19 PM
  10. nate0's Avatar
    the web portal service - HP Workspace - needs a lot of backend support, stuff that the normal joe won't have.

    Do not be optimistic here given Microsoft's past, I will not assume any big new features for phones that are already released.

    The X3 may have the same chip as that on the demo but also remember that Continuum was demoed on the Lumia 930 and 1520 in the past. (Someone also hacked Continuum to work on the 830 but performance wasn't terrific.) The Windows Phone community put faith in MS and look what happened.

    MS not supporting x86 on existing phones won't be much of a slap since its just business-as-usual for them and that I imagine HP didn't necessarily know/think that x86 was going to come.
    For some reason I still think Microsoft is going to play a primary hardware role in this and not just software side. But not like you'd expect. Maybe something along with Qualcomm in the ways of, if you want W10 on ARM then it has to be built this way. Not just providing the OS backend to do it.
    12-11-2016 10:11 PM
  11. nate0's Avatar
    If the x3 for some reason got the option to add the W10 on ARM support, it would sell like hot cakes I bet. I think that's unlikely though.
    12-11-2016 10:14 PM
  12. slyronit's Avatar
    Why did you buy the phone based on the fact that it will run x86 apps and then asking this on the forums to decide whether you will return it or not? Did HP advertise this feature ever? No.

    Decide based on the assumption that it will not run x86 apps. Windows 10 Mobile and Windows 10 ARM with x86 emulation are different OSes, I doubt there will ever be an upgrade path between the two.

    If it does come later, consider it a bonus.
    12-12-2016 12:08 AM
  13. Naif abdullah's Avatar
    Why did you buy the phone based on the fact that it will run x86 apps and then asking this on the forums to decide whether you will return it or not? Did HP advertise this feature ever? No.

    Decide based on the assumption that it will not run x86 apps. Windows 10 Mobile and Windows 10 ARM with x86 emulation are different OSes, I doubt there will ever be an upgrade path between the two.

    If it does come later, consider it a bonus.
    because i never knew that the windows phone will support x86 apps
    when i received i saw that mobile phone will support x86 apps
    i paid 999 $ for it
    it is not cheap ,,,,so i will sell it ,,,and i will wait for the better one
    12-12-2016 12:23 AM
  14. slyronit's Avatar
    because i never knew that the windows phone will support x86 apps
    when i received i saw that mobile phone will support x86 apps
    i paid 999 $ for it
    it is not cheap ,,,,so i will sell it ,,,and i will wait for the better one
    What you're saying makes zero sense.

    1. You never knew the phone will support x86 apps - I follow you
    2. when i received i saw that mobile phone will support x86 apps - Where did you see that?
    3. i paid 999 $ for it - Ok, you got what you paid for
    4. it is not cheap - It is not
    5. and i will wait for the better one - Which better one?
    12-12-2016 12:43 AM
  15. nate0's Avatar
    because i never knew that the windows phone will support x86 apps
    when i received i saw that mobile phone will support x86 apps
    i paid 999 $ for it
    it is not cheap ,,,,so i will sell it ,,,and i will wait for the better one
    Just return it, and get your full bank back. The Elite X3 does not currently run x86 apps natively even if through emulation. Are you wanting to use the virtual desktop/continuum feature HP offers? It does utilize the HP workspace though to run x86 apps if you pay HP to use it, and even then I am not sure how the licensing and requirements there are set up.
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    12-12-2016 12:52 AM
  16. Srdjan Colakovic's Avatar
    I think he might be trolling... or he doesn't make sense. The phone was never advertised to run x86 apps. Nor was it ever said that phones will support x86 apps, even with the MS announcement of Windows for ARM, it still has nothing to do with phones. or current chipsets for that matter.
    12-12-2016 01:29 AM
  17. xandros9's Avatar
    I think he might be trolling... or he doesn't make sense. The phone was never advertised to run x86 apps. Nor was it ever said that phones will support x86 apps, even with the MS announcement of Windows for ARM, it still has nothing to do with phones. or current chipsets for that matter.
    to be fair it isn't too much of a jump to a conclusion that the x86 on ARM will be for phones. Although he probably made the mistake of thinking it'll be available really soon and jumping on too soon. Either way, back to the store the x3 should go!
    12-12-2016 01:35 AM
  18. jazen's Avatar
    5. and i will wait for the better one - Which better one?
    The one with a Qualcomm SD835 and x86 support... duh...

    *ba dum tiss*

    But in all seriousness, I wouldn't hold my breath for the x3 to get x86 app support. It might, but as others have said, Microsoft does not have the best track record of retroactively supporting features.
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-12-2016 10:15 AM
  19. slyronit's Avatar
    I think the main reason the X3 will not get this is because you cannot "upgrade" from one OS "Windows 10 Mobile, 32-bit" to a different OS (Windows 10, ARM64).

    Sure, you can flash a completely new image using the device recovery tool, but MS has never done that.

    I think x86 emulation would be reserved for the mythical Surface phone with RS3.
    milkyway and xandros9 like this.
    12-12-2016 10:29 AM
  20. mmcpher's Avatar
    to be fair it isn't too much of a jump to a conclusion that the x86 on ARM will be for phones. Although he probably made the mistake of thinking it'll be available really soon and jumping on too soon. Either way, back to the store the x3 should go!
    You're a funny kind of a Moderator, aren't you? You state that you assume that the x3 will never run x86 on ARM ever, but other than general reference to Microsoft's admittedly problematic history (at least wrt Mobile), you don't say what leads to that assumption. And then you further state that either way, the x3 should go back to the store? Because . . . . ? Even though I am pleased and working well with the x3? Do I have to send it back? Because of the uncertain future of x86 on ARM? Right now, exactly zero phones are known to have this future capacity. Do we all have to send our phones back to the store while we wait for word whether which, if any, phones will be included in this ARM initiative? It might also be that the x3 could run with this, but by the time that happens there will be a new HP x3 Elite that would run it better, or a Surface Phone or some other phone will run this. Its hard not to see x86 on ARM as outside of a movement for convergence of mobile and desktop, and HP is in the current forefront and partnered closely with Microsoft. How does that exclude HP from being included in the next phase in this movement?
    12-12-2016 12:33 PM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    You're a funny kind of a Moderator, aren't you? You state that you assume that the x3 will never run x86 on ARM ever, but other than general reference to Microsoft's admittedly problematic history (at least wrt Mobile), you don't say what leads to that assumption. And then you further state that either way, the x3 should go back to the store? Because . . . . ? Even though I am pleased and working well with the x3? Do I have to send it back? Because of the uncertain future of x86 on ARM? Right now, exactly zero phones are known to have this future capacity. Do we all have to send our phones back to the store while we wait for word whether which, if any, phones will be included in this ARM initiative? It might also be that the x3 could run with this, but by the time that happens there will be a new HP x3 Elite that would run it better, or a Surface Phone or some other phone will run this. Its hard not to see x86 on ARM as outside of a movement for convergence of mobile and desktop, and HP is in the current forefront and partnered closely with Microsoft. How does that exclude HP from being included in the next phase in this movement?
    Yup I'm certainly a funny kind of person.
    Sounds like you want some more information on why I think the way I do... well, Microsoft has a rather poor track record when it comes to bringing new features to older devices, or devices that have already been sold/launched. Here we go...

    - The abandonment of Windows Phone 7 devices. An alleged employee on the inside claimed it was mostly a marketing decision, not "hardware requirements." Devices got 7.8 which got them a new start menu.
    - The abandonment of the RT tablets. All they got was also a new start menu instead of Windows 10 or anything.

    - Windows 10 Mobile cut off from WP8 devices. (the higher-end S4 were on-par with the mid-range 400 chips that were supported) In fact, some devices were still being sold as W10M capable despite the announcement that they were indeed not.
    - Call recording is only on new devices that shipped with Windows 10 Mobile. No apparent hardware issue.
    - Continuum only works on new Windows 10 Mobile devices. MS says its a hardware restriction but people have gotten it working fine on the 1520, 930, 830 and 635. Of course performance wasn't great on the 830 and 635 but it poses some questions about "hardware restrictions." All that leads me to believe that whether the Elite X3 is actually capable of x86 emulation will have no bearing on the decision to deny it the feature IF and I mean IF the feature reaches mobile.

    I'll add more as I remember them.

    And even if the feature is planned, it may not happen, such as Edge extensions on mobile which was quietly removed from the roadmap.

    Also worth noting is MS's disregard for older devices and feature regressions in some cases. Notably is that Skype is dropping support for all Windows Phones except those on the Anniversary Update, which isn't much. Those older phones can't do anything about it. Kids Corner and FM Radio was also removed from Windows 10 Mobile Anniversary update. etc.

    I said the X3 should go back to the store to OP and OP alone. It simply won't meet his expectations and I wasn't sure it was made clear enough thus far. You sir, can do what you wish, don't take it personally.
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    12-12-2016 02:27 PM
  22. mmcpher's Avatar
    Thanks for reply, xandros9, the patient tone of which makes me regret my testy, earlier post. I do take your role as Moderator seriously, particularly in light of the volume of your contributions here. You certainly make a fair case about Microsoft's record. Having been on the short end of a few of those unfulfilled promises, I won't argue, but I will say it hasn't all been that way. I still have a 1520 in good use, along with a Surface Pro, a Surface Pro 3, a 950 XL and an x3. I was able to upgrade the 1520 and 950XL to the latest W10M builds, and I have the Surface Pro 3 on Fast Ring, and in addition to an upgraded pen/stylus and keyboard/trackpad, I am currently tooling around the SP3 with a Microsoft Dial.

    The checkered past is arguably a product of the challenges in transforming the Microsoft ecosystem on the fly. It's predictable that there will be conflicts with some seasoned customers when the overall drive is to get the most people on board with the new paradigm. If I had to pick a fringe, I would go with the Fast-Ringers rather than those of us who are able to squeeze the most years out of old hardware. At least that way you're competing for more, rather than presiding over a diminishing, shrinking margin. As we were talking about a relatively new and high-end product in the x3, I would think most people crawling out on this expensive limb would be aware of the risks (and of the history). There have been and are signs of sustainable positive change in Microsoft, though it is hard to be sure while Microsoft continues it's elephant-coy ambiguity in its public statements about products, services and software releases.
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    12-12-2016 04:37 PM
  23. Ganesh Vu's Avatar
    If it works perfect then I can make kinect games to x86 platforms
    12-13-2016 05:44 AM
  24. aespix's Avatar
    No it won't, the chipset doesn't support this arm layer or some technical nonsense.

    The newer snapdragon processors are now cleared to actually run fully blown windows 10 on continuum.

    So yeah, another reason why the elite x3 isn't worth it.
    12-14-2016 12:25 AM
  25. nate0's Avatar
    No it won't, the chipset doesn't support this arm layer or some technical nonsense.

    The newer snapdragon processors are now cleared to actually run fully blown windows 10 on continuum.

    So yeah, another reason why the elite x3 isn't worth it.
    Regardless, for me as a consumer, this is still a killer W10M phone.
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    12-14-2016 12:15 PM
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