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  1. loudog3114's Avatar
    I can't help but feel a little screwed over by HP and MS by buying this phone. After I dropped $850 on it, which is a lot of dough... (And some people dropped $12-1300) Microsoft goes and announces Win 10 on Arm, which I guarantee we will not get to enjoy with this phone. So now, people have spent +-$1000 bucks on a phone that is IMMEDIATELY antiquated, with dead forums, and seemingly all but forgotten about by MS and HP (no updates since November). So now my elite x3 is sitting on my wireless charger in the basement, four months old, with no sim in it and not much hope of being of any use to me any time in the near feature. The fact they they waited to announce win 10 on Arm until a little while after the x3 was released seems a borderline unethical move to me. Especially after charging a higher than premium price for the phone. Now I know what HP WebOS users felt like. Sigh.
    01-08-2017 04:57 PM
  2. Minh Junior Dinh's Avatar
    That sucks.
    01-08-2017 06:01 PM
  3. Minh Junior Dinh's Avatar
    To be honest, I'm not sure what to say. However, were they any pros of the HP x3? Just curious.
    01-08-2017 06:02 PM
  4. nate0's Avatar
    It's the first and only ip68 (oops) certified Windows Phone I've ever seen. (Corrected: IP67) It had other environmental guards too. I honestly bought this phone knowing well thatbit was not a consumer device and not to expect any cool interesting useful features for me personally. I'll bet you see state agencies and other institutions using this phone more and I for the sake of hp hope for that. This goes to show you how many of us are just dying for a decent variety of devices to use our new windows 10 Mobile OS on. They're barely creeping out of the basement :), and when we see the x3 on scene were curious...and months go by and it's the only one still available we try it out...then we're still waiting for something slightly better or different.
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  5. PerfectReign's Avatar
    I bought it for the 6" screen (I have big hands and my 950xl seemed small), potential lap dock (which I won't buy), front speakers, and desk dock. I use the desk dock every day at work with a 27" monitor.

    The camera is marginal, as my wife's 640 does a better job. But I just keep the 950xl around for when I need it.



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    01-08-2017 11:56 PM
  6. Narathan's Avatar
    I can't help but feel a little screwed over by HP and MS by buying this phone. After I dropped $850 on it, which is a lot of dough... (And some people dropped $12-1300) Microsoft goes and announces Win 10 on Arm, which I guarantee we will not get to enjoy with this phone. So now, people have spent +-$1000 bucks on a phone that is IMMEDIATELY antiquated, with dead forums, and seemingly all but forgotten about by MS and HP (no updates since November). So now my elite x3 is sitting on my wireless charger in the basement, four months old, with no sim in it and not much hope of being of any use to me any time in the near feature. The fact they they waited to announce win 10 on Arm until a little while after the x3 was released seems a borderline unethical move to me. Especially after charging a higher than premium price for the phone. Now I know what HP WebOS users felt like. Sigh.
    I don't think you need to worry about this too much. Yes, they announced Win 10 on ARM, but they haven't mentioned phones yet or anything else running Win 10 on ARM, they only announced that it is possible. It's probably going to be another year, maybe two untill we get to see this working well on a "phone", since they are going for cheaper laptops/tablets first. I'm enjoying the phone atm, so should you. Why leave it in the basement without a sim? Seems like a waste of money?

    To put it into perspective, my dad has an Android phone that still runs on 5.1 and he blew ~€600,- on it back then. Not a single update thus far but the phone still works while android is sitting at 7.1.1 atm. That was one year ago... W10M still gets updates. Do you honestly expect they're going to just drop W10M while their oem partner released a business orientated 3-in-1 device for a premium price? Thats suicide.


    So, to call the x3 antiquated seems a little harsh... I get where your frustration comes from because I too would like to run full windows 10 on my x3.

    But as a consumer that hasn't even used Continuum, do we really need it? What are the benefits for us? I can see it being great for business users, but the average consumer doesn't even know what Continuum is or rather packs another laptop with them.
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    01-09-2017 02:04 AM
  7. zmancb7's Avatar
    To put it into perspective, my dad has an Android phone that still runs on 5.1 and he blew ~€600,- on it back then. Not a single update thus far but the phone still works while android is sitting at 7.1.1 atm. That was one year ago... W10M still gets updates. Do you honestly expect they're going to just drop W10M while their oem partner released a business orientated 3-in-1 device for a premium price? Thats suicide.


    So, to call the x3 antiquated seems a little harsh... I get where your frustration comes from because I too would like to run full windows 10 on my x3.

    But as a consumer that hasn't even used Continuum, do we really need it? What are the benefits for us? I can see it being great for business users, but the average consumer doesn't even know what Continuum is or rather packs another laptop with them.
    I agree with you in a sense that I really hope it doesn't become antiquated too early on its life-cycle.

    About Continuum, I use it as a mix of personal/work use. People I've shown it to think it's really neat and some of the more technically advanced people I work with wish they had a similar solution.

    I really don't NEED to use it for work or personal use, but I find it's size is much better than what I already have. I personal laptop is almost 3 years old, got it from college. Lenovo ThinkPad. It's a great little beast and pretty light. My work laptop is a monster Dell 7510 CAD machine and is really heavy.

    Whenever I travel, I can take the x3/ lapdock and not worry about missing out on anything. Spend a weekend at home, I bring the x3. Go to a conference or training for a few days, can bring the x3 and not be weighed down by my other 2 laptops. Plus having the slim lapdock for meetings is great, makes taking notes a lot easier and can email them out easy.

    So my lapdock doesn't exactly replace my other 2 laptops, but it certainly helps when traveling which is the main reason I got it since most of what I do is browser based and Edge has been doing great so far.

    So to answer your question, no, I don't think consumers NEED it. Much like we don't need a lot of other crap we get with "smart" products. But there are benefits to using it, especially with the lapdock IMO. I've actually yet to try the desk dock but I assume it's great for those people on the move and don't require a lot of software or need to access their company's network drives.
    01-09-2017 08:08 AM
  8. loudog3114's Avatar
    I put it in the basement with no sim because, have no doubt, win 10 devices without ARM are going to be forgotten about and abandoned. Win10 on ARM is going to be the solution to closing the app gap, but my brand new, $850 flagship HP Elite X3 will not get such features. And on top of that, HP refuses to listen to customers and put in glance screen... which in my book was the only compelling reason to buy a windows 10 phone. I know its a lumia feature and blah blah, but the x3 has an amoled screen, and there is absolutely no reason they couldn't implement it. They claim its for security, but as the IT manager of a financial institution, I see absolutely no argument for that being a security flaw or issue.

    The lapdock is... useless. For $600 you could easily buy a full windows 10 laptop and enable notification sync and SMS through skype, and you've got a far better solution.
    01-09-2017 01:46 PM
  9. kaktus1389's Avatar
    I put it in the basement with no sim because, have no doubt, win 10 devices without ARM are going to be forgotten about and abandoned. Win10 on ARM is going to be the solution to closing the app gap, but my brand new, $850 flagship HP Elite X3 will not get such features. And on top of that, HP refuses to listen to customers and put in glance screen... which in my book was the only compelling reason to buy a windows 10 phone. I know its a lumia feature and blah blah, but the x3 has an amoled screen, and there is absolutely no reason they couldn't implement it. They claim its for security, but as the IT manager of a financial institution, I see absolutely no argument for that being a security flaw or issue.

    The lapdock is... useless. For $600 you could easily buy a full windows 10 laptop and enable notification sync and SMS through skype, and you've got a far better solution.
    Glance is licensed by MS/Nokia so they can't use it.*There were rumors that they are working on something similar with MS though, but it could take some time before the feature is released if it is going to*be released at all.
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    01-09-2017 04:05 PM
  10. Minh Junior Dinh's Avatar
    Oh well, I think it's meant for businesses to buy it in bulk. I doubt many businesses will buy it, though.
    01-09-2017 10:50 PM
  11. Narathan's Avatar
    ...They claim its for security, but as the IT manager of a financial institution, I see absolutely no argument for that being a security flaw or issue.
    It certainly could be though in different sectors. I'm auditor in healthcare for information security and I've seen several phones (windows, android, iphone) with a "glance screen" where I can just read notifications from mails or chats from the phone's lockscreen without even unlocking the thing. Thats pretty bad if you'd ask me. So HP has a point in a way, but I definitly don't agree about the zero-tolerance thing. It should always be an option. Thats what IT is for after all, to decide whether it is safe or not.

    The lapdock is... useless. For $600 you could easily buy a full windows 10 laptop and enable notification sync and SMS through skype, and you've got a far better solution.
    Continuum in its current state isn't great, I give you that. But getting another device to take care of costs extra money (hardware, software licenses) and poses a security risk. At least, here in the Netherlands they are hellbend on preventing dataleaks. If somebody steals your lapdock you're probably thinking "lol, git gud" but if somebody steals a laptop... welp, thats a) a lot of money gone and b) might contain sensitive data. Human stupidity is infinite after all, even with all security measurements in place.

    But on another note, might it be better to just sell the thing instead? Still seems like a waste leaving it in your basement if you're not going to use it. I'm sure you can get a few bucks for it and make somebody really happy with it?
    01-10-2017 03:20 AM
  12. loudog3114's Avatar
    To omit the feature altogether is ridiculous. It can be controlled with MDM. The security claim is just a cop out. And we literally just had the choice of going with dumb laptop clients or full featured ones for the same price. We went full featured. Since we use VDI no data will be on them, and our users can still enjoy them when offline. Being a bank... There aren't a whole lot of sectors that require more security.
    01-10-2017 06:41 AM
  13. Kerry2112's Avatar
    I put it in the basement with no sim because, have no doubt, win 10 devices without ARM are going to be forgotten about and abandoned. Win10 on ARM is going to be the solution to closing the app gap, but my brand new, $850 flagship HP Elite X3 will not get such features.
    If I told you that the first *phone* with Windows 10 on ARM would be released in October 2018, would you feel the same way about the X3 now? How about if it came out in April 2018? ANY phone will be outmoded eventually, it's just a question of when. I'm pretty confident that you will get 18 months plus of your phone being "current" before something comes along that supersedes it. Were you expecting more?

    If you buy a phone because it's "the best", you will be buying phones at huge prices at six month intervals forever. If you bought the X3 because it met your needs when you bought it, it should still be doing so. If it doesn't meet your needs, the fault lies as much in your research as in the phone.
    01-10-2017 09:43 AM
  14. loudog3114's Avatar
    If I told you that the first *phone* with Windows 10 on ARM would be released in October 2018, would you feel the same way about the X3 now? How about if it came out in April 2018? ANY phone will be outmoded eventually, it's just a question of when. I'm pretty confident that you will get 18 months plus of your phone being "current" before something comes along that supersedes it. Were you expecting more?

    If you buy a phone because it's "the best", you will be buying phones at huge prices at six month intervals forever. If you bought the X3 because it met your needs when you bought it, it should still be doing so. If it doesn't meet your needs, the fault lies as much in your research as in the phone.
    The problem is it isn't the best. It isn't even close. Microsoft has decided to move on from the current hardware and implement the features it needs to compete in new hardware instead of giving the features to the current breed of hardware. So, like I said, the x3 is more or less abandoned and antiquated. I say antiquated because... It always was, but the hope was that MS had something useful coming to bring it up to speed. But, now we know, there is no such update coming.
    01-10-2017 10:15 AM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'm really confused.

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    01-10-2017 10:56 AM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The problem is it isn't the best. It isn't even close. Microsoft has decided to move on from the current hardware and implement the features it needs to compete in new hardware instead of giving the features to the current breed of hardware. So, like I said, the x3 is more or less abandoned and antiquated. I say antiquated because... It always was, but the hope was that MS had something useful coming to bring it up to speed. But, now we know, there is no such update coming.
    I'm a little confused. What exactly does the phone NOT do today that it did the day you bought it? There are no new features today that weren't around at the time of the Anniversary Update. Microsoft made it clear there would be little to no new updates before the Creators Update other than an odd patch here and there. The x3 is not the only model that's been silent since November. My Idol 4S is still on 14393.576 since around Thanksgiving. How exactly is it antiquated if it has the newest build available to the public? Windows on ARM may or may not even come to phones until well into 2018.
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    01-10-2017 03:20 PM
  17. loudog3114's Avatar
    It does very little now and it did very little when I bought it. I guess my hope was that something big would come relatively soon to THIS device, but that won't be happening. Nothing will come to this device. It was worth the purchase with the future unknown, but now that's it's known, and grim, it's no longer worth using.
    01-10-2017 03:28 PM
  18. mtf1380's Avatar
    I'm a little confused. What exactly does the phone NOT do today that it did the day you bought it?
    I believe what the OP is trying to say is, that the X3 was implied to be the state-of-the-art WM Phone, giving the "elusion" that it was "somewhat" future proof, and the OP is now finding that it no more future proof than ours are:(

    The 950, and 950XL, will also suffer the same fate, (as well as any other current phone) BTW...if/when ARM is introduced.
    01-10-2017 03:53 PM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I believe what the OP is trying to say is, that the X3 was implied to be the state-of-the-art WM Phone, giving the "elusion" that it was "somewhat" future proof, and the OP is now finding that it no more future proof than ours are:(

    The 950, and 950XL, will also suffer the same fate, (as well as any other current phone) BTW...if/when ARM is introduced.
    No, he stated the phone does little now and did little when he bought it. He conjured an image of a promise that only he thought would be fulfilled. I'm sorry if it sounds rough but anyone who buys something based on what could be deserves everything they get. I've never seen any tech company talking about future developments claiming they'll work with present hardware. Windows on ARM is no exception.

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    01-10-2017 04:03 PM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think it's easy to get caught up in this unless you look at things realistically. You should never purchase a piece of technology unless it meets your current needs. Don't expect it to be more than that. Technology changes too quickly.
    Enjoy your x3 for what it is, an excellent device.

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    01-10-2017 04:06 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I think it's easy to get caught up in this unless you look at things realistically. You should never purchase a piece of technology unless it meets your current needs. Don't expect it to be more than that. Technology changes too quickly.
    Enjoy your x3 for what it is, an excellent device.

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    The only exception to this would be for those who purchased the HP Touchpad or Veer within the first 49 days of their existence. Those who bought during the firesale (Me, myself and I) knew the risks.
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    01-10-2017 04:26 PM
  22. EuroKnuter's Avatar
    The only exception to this would be for those who purchased the HP Touchpad or Veer within the first 49 days of their existence. Those who bought during the firesale (Me, myself and I) knew the risks.
    I agree that it is harder on those that spent more money. But, as is the case with most things and as everyone pretty much knows: You buy now to have it now, you wait for later to save some money. Both options were available and should be well known to OP (especially for a self-proclaimed IT Manager for a FINANCIAL organization, one would think they are near expert level on both Tech and Money Management!).

    Personally, I recently took both paths with different devices: Bought now and also waited for a sale. I bought the Surface Book with Performance Base as soon as I could, trading a few hundred dollars for 3-6 weeks of usage (and I needed it ASAP as a replacement). I did NOT complain when there was a sale over black Friday / into the holidays for the Surface Book. That was almost a foregone conclusion. On the other hand, I bought the HP during a sale to replace a perfectly good L950, and I am very happy with both decisions.

    As for the Elite x3, I would say that for the right person I have no problem recommending the phone and would even explain a realistic set of use cases for continuum and/or other hardware to augment the phone. But then speed and performance, memory, and current Win10 Mobile features were what I was looking for in my phone. I can't imagine having bought the SB and saying "well hey, this should TOTALLY have a glance screen soon!" *roll eyes*

    So far the discussion about x86 running on ARM (but just not my existing ARM-based chip in my phone), misses a fundamental point: The thought of x86 running on a phone is WAAAAAAAY over romanticized by OP. The phone purchased was for a dream, and based on his description, the dream of running x86 apps on his PHONE to close the app gap will likely never even come close to being realized. In fact, you would have a use case very close to that of continuum (IMHO) which trades extreme portability for performance and/or features. You will likely need to be hooked up to a screen to get any benefit from running x86 apps, and that is just un-phone-like. Best case is a wireless DP/HDMI accessory that can broadcast to a monitor, but you still lack a keyboard and mouse. The hardware needed in addition to a phone grows rapidly as you use more and more of the x86 apps. In short: If continuum isn't for you, x86 on a phone is likely not for you as well.

    I would be interested to hear back in 18 to 24 months if OP is able to buy a phone running x86 apps and they are not extremely disappointed and still blame the hardware / software for what amounts to poor foresight and imagination.
    01-11-2017 09:43 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I agree that it is harder on those that spent more money. But, as is the case with most things and as everyone pretty much knows: You buy now to have it now, you wait for later to save some money. Both options were available and should be well known to OP (especially for a self-proclaimed IT Manager for a FINANCIAL organization, one would think they are near expert level on both Tech and Money Management!).

    Personally, I recently took both paths with different devices: Bought now and also waited for a sale. I bought the Surface Book with Performance Base as soon as I could, trading a few hundred dollars for 3-6 weeks of usage (and I needed it ASAP as a replacement). I did NOT complain when there was a sale over black Friday / into the holidays for the Surface Book. That was almost a foregone conclusion. On the other hand, I bought the HP during a sale to replace a perfectly good L950, and I am very happy with both decisions.

    As for the Elite x3, I would say that for the right person I have no problem recommending the phone and would even explain a realistic set of use cases for continuum and/or other hardware to augment the phone. But then speed and performance, memory, and current Win10 Mobile features were what I was looking for in my phone. I can't imagine having bought the SB and saying "well hey, this should TOTALLY have a glance screen soon!" *roll eyes*

    So far the discussion about x86 running on ARM (but just not my existing ARM-based chip in my phone), misses a fundamental point: The thought of x86 running on a phone is WAAAAAAAY over romanticized by OP. The phone purchased was for a dream, and based on his description, the dream of running x86 apps on his PHONE to close the app gap will likely never even come close to being realized. In fact, you would have a use case very close to that of continuum (IMHO) which trades extreme portability for performance and/or features. You will likely need to be hooked up to a screen to get any benefit from running x86 apps, and that is just un-phone-like. Best case is a wireless DP/HDMI accessory that can broadcast to a monitor, but you still lack a keyboard and mouse. The hardware needed in addition to a phone grows rapidly as you use more and more of the x86 apps. In short: If continuum isn't for you, x86 on a phone is likely not for you as well.

    I would be interested to hear back in 18 to 24 months if OP is able to buy a phone running x86 apps and they are not extremely disappointed and still blame the hardware / software for what amounts to poor foresight and imagination.
    You win. I couldn't possibly explain it any better than you just did. I'll add something to this. If anybody wants to see what x86 looks like on a phone-sized screen, all they have to do is look up a Samsung Q1 on eBay or Amazon and buy one. I guarantee the notion of using Windows desktop apps on that size display will dissipate quickly. Optimize Continuum and the rest will take care of itself.

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    01-11-2017 11:19 AM
  24. loudog3114's Avatar
    First off, I know nothing about Finance, hence I am the IT Manager and not somebody up stairs making real money. And secondly, x86 on ARM is the ONLY hope windows 10 phone users have to close the app gap. Is it ideal? Absolutely not, but I would totally run Chrome and the hangouts client happily on my phone with no alternative. Microsoft put Astoria in their builds, which was heaven sent, then pulled it. Then they claimed their ios to uwp tool (I forget the project name) would close the app gap. So far we have gotten facebook, instagram, and facebook messenger out of that, and with continuing declining market share I don't expect to see more. Then, they announce that they're doing x86 on ARM, which is fantastic; a dream come true really, for Windows users. But, the current generation of devices will not got it. Which means the current generation of devices is effectively dead. Yes, they still work and do all the same things they did when we bought them, but knowing there is something better coming that we won't get with the flagship device we just spent quite a bit of dough on makes it feel worthless to me. It's like buying an iPhone 7 now and then Apple saying the device will never get upgraded past iOS 10. Being a tech person, I don't use dead technologies. And have no doubt, Windows 10 Mobile is dead.
    01-12-2017 09:07 AM
  25. MOBBAK's Avatar
    First off, I know nothing about Finance, hence I am the IT Manager and not somebody up stairs making real money. And secondly, x86 on ARM is the ONLY hope windows 10 phone users have to close the app gap. Is it ideal? Absolutely not, but I would totally run Chrome and the hangouts client happily on my phone with no alternative. Microsoft put Astoria in their builds, which was heaven sent, then pulled it. Then they claimed their ios to uwp tool (I forget the project name) would close the app gap. So far we have gotten facebook, instagram, and facebook messenger out of that, and with continuing declining market share I don't expect to see more. Then, they announce that they're doing x86 on ARM, which is fantastic; a dream come true really, for Windows users. But, the current generation of devices will not got it. Which means the current generation of devices is effectively dead. Yes, they still work and do all the same things they did when we bought them, but knowing there is something better coming that we won't get with the flagship device we just spent quite a bit of dough on makes it feel worthless to me. It's like buying an iPhone 7 now and then Apple saying the device will never get upgraded past iOS 10. Being a tech person, I don't use dead technologies. And have no doubt, Windows 10 Mobile is dead.
    Any source?
    01-12-2017 09:49 AM
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