I have been in contact with BB at 3 different stores, and through online chats since the 13th (first announced release date i believe). No one has ANY idea what's going on with the Verizon 8X. The sales reps can usually find nothing in the computer for future ship dates. I did find out they finally received stock of the black yesterday. I'm not sure if it's HTC, Verizon, or BB's fault but it's sort of a mess that no one knows when a phone is even expected to be available. For awhile online it said to check in stores, and when stores looked in their computers it would say online only. MESS.