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  1. Duvi's Avatar
    it's not that serious... let's just get back on topic, please.
    03-28-2011 05:12 AM
  2. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    When a member of staff asks for the tone of the thread to be cooled slightly, it's pretty much a drawn line in the sand, you both are still passed that line. Please, take your differences elsewhere, or button up completely in this thread. You both have the right for an opinion and the right to be registered and active in these forums, but trolling and foul language is prohibited.

    As previously requested, back to discussion or this thread will be locked.
    03-28-2011 08:39 AM
  3. PhilR8's Avatar
    I was excited when I saw that this thread was three pages long... but it's just three pages of trolling and flaming. So I'll help get back on topic:

    I got my Arrive on Saturday morning. I listed my Evo on ebay yesterday. I'm now WP7-only at least until the Evo 3D is released. That's my deadline: I'm giving this phone until June to see if I can live with it. If not, back to Android.

    But two days in: I love this phone, and I love WP7. I thought I'd have a long list of complaints by now, but really I only have two:
    1. Bing Maps doesn't hold a candle to Google Maps
    2. Flory is buggy and won't stay active under the lockscreen


    I feel bad trashing Flory, since it is free, but get your act together, Flory-developer. Make it work and charge $5 and I'll buy it. I need gTalk on my phone and I'll pay to make it happen.

    I also miss Google Latitude.

    OTHERWISE, I love this device. Everything is so easy to use, I love the interface, Netflix works great even over 3G, the speaker sounds AWESOME, I love the keyboard (even though many parts of the OS do not change to landscape view). I'm happy with the switch.
    03-28-2011 09:54 AM
  4. coasterfreak212's Avatar
    I think the biggest difference between the two OSes is that it harpers back to the the cathedral and the bazaar connection.

    The Cathedral and the Bazaar

    The cathedral and the bazaar is basically the concept that windows is a grand cathedral that's incredibly impressive, filled with art and governing prospects, and that linux (open source in general actually) is a bazaar, an open market with lots of things going on and lots of people doing things.

    The major differences is the terms of building. The cathedral is built slow and takes a long time, but once it's finished it's a fantastic structure. The bazaar on the other hand isn't built up so slowly, it pretty much assimilates from various other people and is malleable and adaptable.

    One isn't better than the other, they are just two completely different things. Currently, Android is a gigantic bazaar, where products have many identities and there are many things spread out,not much chance of a clear and consistent product. Where as Windows Phone 7 is like the Crystal Cathedral. Sure, it's a really nice Cathedral, but at the end of the day it's just a tourist attraction that's close to Disneyland, not serving a greater purpose to the needs of all people until it starts building upon itself.

    It's up to us (the consumers) to demand changes in the cathedral and the bazaar. :D
    03-28-2011 12:16 PM
  5. eric12341's Avatar
    I was excited when I saw that this thread was three pages long... but it's just three pages of trolling and flaming. So I'll help get back on topic:

    I got my Arrive on Saturday morning. I listed my Evo on ebay yesterday. I'm now WP7-only at least until the Evo 3D is released. That's my deadline: I'm giving this phone until June to see if I can live with it. If not, back to Android.

    But two days in: I love this phone, and I love WP7. I thought I'd have a long list of complaints by now, but really I only have two:
    1. Bing Maps doesn't hold a candle to Google Maps
    2. Flory is buggy and won't stay active under the lockscreen


    I feel bad trashing Flory, since it is free, but get your act together, Flory-developer. Make it work and charge $5 and I'll buy it. I need gTalk on my phone and I'll pay to make it happen.

    I also miss Google Latitude.

    OTHERWISE, I love this device. Everything is so easy to use, I love the interface, Netflix works great even over 3G, the speaker sounds AWESOME, I love the keyboard (even though many parts of the OS do not change to landscape view). I'm happy with the switch.
    many parts? More like 1 or 2. Everything that needs to be in landscape at the moment will switch into landscape. The on screen keyboard is accurate enough on its own to rarely even have to need to slide it out. Its much better than the normal Android keyboard I can say that much. And once bing on wp7 matures it will be better than Google they just need tbt directons and public transit directions (tho there are 3rd party apps that add this functionality ). Then u won't have a reason to switch back to the OS that's not original and built with stolen code.
    03-28-2011 02:43 PM
  6. PhilR8's Avatar
    many parts? More like 1 or 2. Everything that needs to be in landscape at the moment will switch into landscape. The on screen keyboard is accurate enough on its own to rarely even have to need to slide it out. Its much better than the normal Android keyboard I can say that much. And once bing on wp7 matures it will be better than Google they just need tbt directons and public transit directions (tho there are 3rd party apps that add this functionality ). Then u won't have a reason to switch back to the OS that's not original and built with stolen code.
    Yikes, what a "friendly" reply. I guess everyone in this thread is a little on edge, so I'll just address the content of it and not the tone. I do think you're right, that it is only one or two parts of the OS that isn't landscape optimized:

    1. People Hub: does not switch to landscape when searching using keyboard.
    2. Maps: does not switch to landscape at all, much less for text input.


    The rest of the examples I was thinking of were from third-party apps, and even then there hasn't been many instances where I've used the physical keyboard while the device was still in portrait mode.

    As to your suggestion to use the on-screen keyboard: I do use it sometimes for very quick text entry, but I'd rather use the hardware keyboard for most text input. That's really why I got this device - in the past, I've owned the 6700, Mogul, and Touch Pro and I really like the idea of the hardware landscape keyboard. So while I may "rarely need to slide it out," my personal preference is to slide it out often. It's a great keyboard (although I really find myself missing the "tab" key - I've reached for it many times when trying to input stuff like logins and passwords) and I want to use it as much as possible.
    03-28-2011 03:51 PM
  7. eric12341's Avatar
    Yikes, what a "friendly" reply. I guess everyone in this thread is a little on edge, so I'll just address the content of it and not the tone. I do think you're right, that it is only one or two parts of the OS that isn't landscape optimized:

    1. People Hub: does not switch to landscape when searching using keyboard.
    2. Maps: does not switch to landscape at all, much less for text input.


    The rest of the examples I was thinking of were from third-party apps, and even then there hasn't been many instances where I've used the physical keyboard while the device was still in portrait mode.

    As to your suggestion to use the on-screen keyboard: I do use it sometimes for very quick text entry, but I'd rather use the hardware keyboard for most text input. That's really why I got this device - in the past, I've owned the 6700, Mogul, and Touch Pro and I really like the idea of the hardware landscape keyboard. So while I may "rarely need to slide it out," my personal preference is to slide it out often. It's a great keyboard (although I really find myself missing the "tab" key - I've reached for it many times when trying to input stuff like logins and passwords) and I want to use it as much as possible.
    sorry my downtalking of Android offended u. This being WPcentral I should be able to downtalk Android or webPOS as much and however I want without being reproached I got banned from PPCGeeks for doing this.
    Last edited by eric12341; 03-28-2011 at 05:49 PM.
    03-28-2011 05:11 PM
  8. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    sorry my downtalking of Android offended u. This being WPcentral I should be able to downtalk Android or webPOS as much and however I want without being reproached I got banned from PPCGeeks for doing this.
    Actually no when you have no logic behind calling webos a POS you should just keep your mouth shut. When people at Precentral or AndroidCentral bash on other OS's they atleast do it with factual information to back it up. You just call it webPOS with no reasoning. There was a bidding war to acquire webOS for a reason and HP won. Now whether webOS succeeds or not is another story because HP does not have the resources like Microsoft does. Just like Palm a small company with a great OS with no leverage. I personally hope webOS and WP7 succeed to go along with Android and IOS but I guess well just have to wait and see what happens!
    03-29-2011 02:58 AM
  9. eric12341's Avatar
    Actually no when you have no logic behind calling webos a POS you should just keep your mouth shut. When people at Precentral or AndroidCentral bash on other OS's they atleast do it with factual information to back it up. You just call it webPOS with no reasoning. There was a bidding war to acquire webOS for a reason and HP won. Now whether webOS succeeds or not is another story because HP does not have the resources like Microsoft does. Just like Palm a small company with a great OS with no leverage. I personally hope webOS and WP7 succeed to go along with Android and IOS but I guess well just have to wait and see what happens!
    oh please I've seen plenty of WP7 bashing without facts. At least I'm not goin into those other sites to bash as I have more class than that but once again I should be able to do it here without being reproached and u just reproached me. I'm sorry that ur so into the webPOS.
    03-29-2011 06:47 AM
  10. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    This thread is now unfortunately closed. Please feel free to reseed this discussion in another thread.
    03-29-2011 07:25 AM
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