03-27-2011 09:10 AM
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  1. eric12341's Avatar
    Sorry but bluetooth earbuds or headphones will always sound like crap compared to true audiophile products. I have Sennheiser IE8's and my Pre got much louder than the Arrive. There was also a hack to somehow make the gain on the Pre rise like 10db. Never tried that but I am sure it would of been nice.
    have u even tried any by headphones they sound great and I'm sure the bt2.1 headphones sound even better. There's no way an analog audio signal can sound better than a digital audio signal. Although the headset bundled with the arrive sounds pretty good being analog but that's probably due to the SRS settings.
    03-24-2011 11:02 PM
  2. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    Not sure what the issue is but I can read Engadget comments perfectly well. Using the actual website, not the mobile version. I can even change the sorting option from "newest first" to "oldest first".

    -R
    I guess I meant just the mobile site doesn't work. What is weird though is the FULL Site comment section is not the same comment system used on the desktop version. Like you cant view how many +'s people got on the Arrive full site version. Kinda weird...
    03-25-2011 12:36 AM
  3. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    have u even tried any by headphones they sound great and I'm sure the bt2.1 headphones sound even better. There's no way an analog audio signal can sound better than a digital audio signal. Although the headset bundled with the arrive sounds pretty good being analog but that's probably due to the SRS settings.
    Are you kidding??? There is a reason why Bluetooth earbuds and cans aren't even mentioned on Hi-Fi forums or mags for AUDIOPHILE sound quality. You think Ultimate Ears,Westone,Sennheiser,Shure,Denon,AKG or any high end company even considers making bluetooth sets for HIGH end audiophile listening? Other companies make the bluetooth earbuds or cans for convenience for people who don't like to have a cord hanging down into their player. I would never think twice of owning anything bluetooth except for a bluetooth headset for a cell phone or PS3...
    03-25-2011 12:45 AM
  4. eric12341's Avatar
    Are you kidding??? There is a reason why Bluetooth earbuds and cans aren't even mentioned on Hi-Fi forums or mags for AUDIOPHILE sound quality. You think Ultimate Ears,Westone,Sennheiser,Shure,Denon,AKG or any high end company even considers making bluetooth sets for HIGH end audiophile listening? Other companies make the bluetooth earbuds or cans for convenience for people who don't like to have a cord hanging down into their player. I would never think twice of owning anything bluetooth except for a bluetooth headset for a cell phone or PS3...
    alot of those audiophile headphones cost at least $100 but they have DSPs built in them which eliminate the inferiority of analog audio.
    03-25-2011 03:33 PM
  5. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    alot of those audiophile headphones cost at least $100 but they have DSPs built in them which eliminate the inferiority of analog audio.
    Point is when I spend $300+ on Sennheiser earbuds I expect to be able to turn them up to a high DB level. I was able to do it on my older ipods,zunes,sandisk,and cowon players so they shouldn't be restricting so heavily how loud devices go now. They may be doing it to keep people from going deaf but I think that should be the consumers choice and not theirs. The Iphone gets loud as hell with high end earbuds even if it doesn't sound that great. They use a cheap amp inside it compared to the Zune HD or Cowon players.
    03-25-2011 04:02 PM
  6. wizll's Avatar
    hah, didn't exactly want to read how this thread turned into talk about audiophile headphones and IEMs, but I'll just add that most high end audio IEMs and headphones need decent amps regardless of their price. my $300 AKGs will only really sound good if I pair it with another $500 amp and dac. my $1100 IEMs still also could use a good amp rather than plugging it straight into those cheap amps inside any mp3 players/phones.

    I suppose you guys can argue that for a phone that is over 400 dollars off contract, that it should have a decent dac/amp in it. but in the end, you're really going to just need to carry a portable $300-500 dollar amp with your phone if you want some good sound. ;p
    03-25-2011 06:18 PM
  7. eric12341's Avatar
    Point is when I spend $300+ on Sennheiser earbuds I expect to be able to turn them up to a high DB level. I was able to do it on my older ipods,zunes,sandisk,and cowon players so they shouldn't be restricting so heavily how loud devices go now. They may be doing it to keep people from going deaf but I think that should be the consumers choice and not theirs. The Iphone gets loud as hell with high end earbuds even if it doesn't sound that great. They use a cheap amp inside it compared to the Zune HD or Cowon players.
    then I guess u must just be losing ur hearing if it isn't as loud. Those kind of headphones usually have good noise canceling tech in them so there should be no need to have to even turn the volume up I suppose u can still buy a headphone booster from radio shack or something.
    03-25-2011 07:33 PM
  8. strictlystyles's Avatar
    just what are you guys arguing about at this point?

    bottom line, Wp7 isnt perfect, and no OS or hardware comes great out the gate. While i find some, or maybe alot of features missing, ive been an early adopter of pretty my every Os and this is what comes with the territory. With that saying, WP7 has been stsraight up, my favorite OS to use from day one and the HTC arrive is an amazing phone. It could have been better but its very well made and will tide me over until either wp8 or any higher powered phones that come out after mango.
    Last edited by strictlystyles; 03-25-2011 at 07:57 PM.
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    03-25-2011 07:52 PM
  9. Matts4313's Avatar
    just what are you guys arguing about at this point?

    bottom line, Wp7 isnt perfect, and no OS or hardware comes great out the gate. While i find some, or maybe alot of features missing, ive been an early adopter of pretty my every Os and this is what comes with the territory. With that saying, WP7 has been stsraight up, my favorite OS to use from day one and the HTC arrive is an amazing phone. It could have been better but its very well made and will tide me over until either wp8 or any higher powered phones that come out after mango.
    agreed 100%. I am an early adaptor as well and this is by far the best initial os ive used. Its soo good, its better than most 'established' os's right out the gate
    03-25-2011 08:11 PM
  10. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    then I guess u must just be losing ur hearing if it isn't as loud. Those kind of headphones usually have good noise canceling tech in them so there should be no need to have to even turn the volume up I suppose u can still buy a headphone booster from radio shack or something.
    Okay ya I am losing my hearing even though I have a Zune 30 right next to me to compare it to. I shouldn't need a $300 amp either for this device when older MP3 players did just fine with my ear buds...
    03-26-2011 03:18 AM
  11. jasqid's Avatar
    Well, I picked up an Arrive last night and spent several hours setting it up and playing with it. I like it a lot.

    Its not as bulky/clunky as i thought it would be and the weight is fine too. Just as I thought, I am not using the hw kb as much. The OS KB is very nice and responsive.

    I am gonna miss the multi-tasking that webos had. I never really noticed how much I would flick a card up while I was waiting for data to DL or for the app to do somthing and access a second or third app to flip back and fourth.

    And I'm dissapointed that I cant use custom ring and message tones per person. But with all that being said I still prefer this device over my pre. The speed and smoothness of it is just sic.
    03-26-2011 06:59 AM
  12. gibbyhome's Avatar
    Well, I picked up an Arrive last night and spent several hours setting it up and playing with it. I like it a lot.

    Its not as bulky/clunky as i thought it would be and the weight is fine too. Just as I thought, I am not using the hw kb as much. The OS KB is very nice and responsive.

    I am gonna miss the multi-tasking that webos had. I never really noticed how much I would flick a card up while I was waiting for data to DL or for the app to do somthing and access a second or third app to flip back and fourth.

    And I'm dissapointed that I cant use custom ring and message tones per person. But with all that being said I still prefer this device over my pre. The speed and smoothness of it is just sic.
    what you are asking is coming ...
    03-26-2011 08:55 AM
  13. gibbyhome's Avatar
    My last phone was a BB Curve and this phone is night and day better. My only compliant is that since I use my phone as my alarm, I want to turn all my alerts off at night and still have my alarm go off super loud. It doesn't have that option at all. The first night I had my phone, I had to have the volume up so I can hear the alarm in the morning and I was woken up about 5-6 times from texts or emails. Not a huge deal, but kind of is if you use the phone as your alarm.
    I know what you mean
    what if you shut off your cell moden when you go to bed would that stop the alerts ?
    03-26-2011 08:58 AM
  14. tmorningstar's Avatar
    My last phone was a BB Curve and this phone is night and day better. My only compliant is that since I use my phone as my alarm, I want to turn all my alerts off at night and still have my alarm go off super loud. It doesn't have that option at all. The first night I had my phone, I had to have the volume up so I can hear the alarm in the morning and I was woken up about 5-6 times from texts or emails. Not a huge deal, but kind of is if you use the phone as your alarm.
    Um, these are my words from page 2. Were you trying to quote me?
    Last edited by tmorningstar; 03-26-2011 at 04:16 PM.
    03-26-2011 03:34 PM
  15. mock19's Avatar
    Well, I picked up an Arrive last night and spent several hours setting it up and playing with it. I like it a lot.

    Its not as bulky/clunky as i thought it would be and the weight is fine too. Just as I thought, I am not using the hw kb as much. The OS KB is very nice and responsive.

    I am gonna miss the multi-tasking that webos had. I never really noticed how much I would flick a card up while I was waiting for data to DL or for the app to do somthing and access a second or third app to flip back and fourth.

    And I'm dissapointed that I cant use custom ring and message tones per person. But with all that being said I still prefer this device over my pre. The speed and smoothness of it is just sic.
    I think you can assign a ringtone for each person in your contact list...just obviously not your own custom tones.
    03-26-2011 05:29 PM
  16. foosball's Avatar
    I migrated over to WP7 after being a devotee of webOS. After having the Arrive for a few days now, here are my observations:

    Pro's:

    - Beautiful screen
    - Fastest, sexiest OS on the planet
    - It's great to have keyboard options. I use both types throughout the day and wouldn't want to be limited to one or the other
    - Hardware is very solid and I really like HTC's Custom Apps for YouTube and the Sound Equalizer
    - Larger battery (1500 mAh) compared to other WP7 phones
    - Speaker sounds good and is plenty loud enough

    Areas for Improvement:

    - Email needs to automatically refresh/sync when manually turning 3G or Wi-Fi on after having been off otherwise it appears that you have no new emails when there could be any number of missed ones
    - Needs email message toaster notifications
    - A call that is intentionally ignored shouldn't show up in the live tile as a missed call (or have that as an option to turn off/on). An email that comes in when the email application is open should not end up in the tile notifications either
    - Calendar reminders need snooze intervals (5, 10, 20, 30 min, 1-24 hours, 2-7 day).
    - Moving cursor around in text needs improvement in usability/preciseness
    - Low battery needs audio alert starting at user designated timeframe
    - Needs universal search for people, apps, calendar events, etc
    - Needs to allow adding of additional pages for app organization and also naming of such pages.
    - Call details should be grouped by: outgoing calls, incoming calls, and missed calls
    - Ability to email/text all forms of media (audio, video, documents, etc)
    - Ability to download files & all forms of media to phone
    - File system to retrieve downloaded files
    - All email tiles should have ability to be integrated for one stop shop
    - Screen capture feature

    All in all a solid phone and I'm glad I migrated over from webOS as much as that platform is a multi-tasking beast. I love this phone and the platform will only get better as it matures. MS had to start over with a brand new OS so if this is where they start from then it bodes well for the future.
    Last edited by WPDiddy; 03-26-2011 at 07:57 PM.
    03-26-2011 07:20 PM
  17. eric12341's Avatar
    Okay ya I am losing my hearing even though I have a Zune 30 right next to me to compare it to. I shouldn't need a $300 amp either for this device when older MP3 players did just fine with my ear buds...
    u obviously haven't read all of my last post.
    03-26-2011 08:32 PM
  18. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    u obviously haven't read all of my last post.
    What are you talking about?
    03-26-2011 11:05 PM
  19. eric12341's Avatar
    What are you talking about?
    I'm saying that u can buy a volume booster for ur headphones to make it louder but I don't think its any quieter than what my touch pro2 was
    03-27-2011 12:15 AM
  20. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    I'm saying that u can buy a volume booster for ur headphones to make it louder but I don't think its any quieter than what my touch pro2 was
    I don't see that post...
    03-27-2011 01:17 AM
  21. jasqid's Avatar
    I think you can assign a ringtone for each person in your contact list...just obviously not your own custom tones.
    yeah, I saw the ringer assignment in the people hub. I was talking about my own custom ringtones. The James Harris free ringtone app was the best app in the palm (hp) catalog.
    03-27-2011 09:10 AM
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