Thanks for the input everyone, to add to this I went by the Sprint store today, Sprint is totally useless when it comes to any questions about an Arrive, the guy there said pretty much it's a dead product, the Sprint employees are a BIG part of the problem with WP7, he said and I quote: "Why would you want one of those?" "We sell maybe one every few months" I asked about any more updates he didn't have a clue, the display model wasn't even updated to Mango, I asked about that and he said that, that phone was the lastest updated software, I asked about 8107, he just looked and asked "what is 8107?" So I assume Sprint is done with this phone for good. I guess I will try to get one if I can get one cheap enough, what a shame that a carrier can kill a phone line off with their sales people and lack of knowledge.