08-20-2014 09:02 AM
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  1. salmanahmad's Avatar
    You can take interesting pictures with a low quality camera and on a tiny screen if you squint the right way you may be able to say you can't see just how low the resolution is. That said, if you couldn't tell how low quality the resolution is, you'd have been just as well off sticking to a 480p or lower screen because from someone who has actually owned the phone, it's bad. Build quality feels nice enough, screen is great and the auto brightness is bar none the best in any device I've used. Were it not for the OS, I might consider it despite it's camera failing miserably but when it's beat out by phones that are 4+ years old in that regard, I can't take it seriously. I'll copy the Mona Lisa in oil pastel and you do the same in grape jelly. Let's see which turns out better.
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    Not everyone agrees with you.
    JamesPTao likes this.
    08-17-2014 04:47 PM
  2. z33dev33l's Avatar
    The 930 is a general fail. Not sure what they were thinking letting that into the public hands.
    08-17-2014 05:12 PM
  3. salmanahmad's Avatar
    The 930 is a general fail. Not sure what they were thinking letting that into the public hands.
    Dude I'm not bashed Lumia 930, it's not a general fail and I think it's a great device.

    The only reason HTC One probably wins in lowlight is because it has an f2.0 aperture vs the f2.4 on the 930.

    I'm pretty sure a 920 and 925 will straight out beat HTC One.

    My point is that if a HTC One for Windows Phone is released the camera will suffice for those who do only occasional shooting.

    Mhmm Windows Phone on a HTC One sure would look good though, not that HTC Sense looks bad on it. :D
    08-17-2014 05:41 PM
  4. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Dude I'm not bashed Lumia 930, it's not a general fail and I think it's a great device.

    The only reason HTC One probably wins in lowlight is because it has an f2.0 aperture vs the f2.4 on the 930.

    I'm pretty sure a 920 and 925 will straight out beat HTC One.

    My point is that if a HTC One for Windows Phone is released the camera will suffice for those who do only occasional shooting.

    Mhmm Windows Phone on a HTC One sure would look good though, not that HTC Sense looks bad on it. :D
    I'll bash it. The screens are awful. I've seen people have issues on phones in the past but I played with 6 different 930s all of which had either a yellow or people tint or the gradient issue. The sound quality is not on par with the 1520. The camera isn't either. Everything loads much slower than the 1520 as well. There's some sad comparison videos and the resuming screen is up way too often. Then there's the creaking and cracking backs... It was not a worthy successor to the 920.
    08-17-2014 06:15 PM
  5. Existence_Inc's Avatar
    @zeedev33l:
    We get it, you don't like the M8 camera. You're obviously not the person that will go buy one. That's okay, but it obviously works for the people who own them. Different strokes and all that. I have seen pictures taken by the M7 and I think it is just fine for what I would use it for, but I don't require professional quality photos from a phone. I also have a 930 (Icon) and have had no issues with the screen, frame, camera, plastic back, etc.

    In the end, the M8 doesn't have the best camera, and people who want the best camera, there are plenty of options, like the Lumia 1020. For the people who want a good camera, this device will be more than suitable. I'd gladly trade some camera quality for expandable storage, so I guess I am the target market for the product.

    ~Ex
    Last edited by Existence_Inc; 08-18-2014 at 03:58 PM. Reason: Clarity
    08-18-2014 03:56 PM
  6. kc77's Avatar
    I was kind of put off by the camera at first, but after I looked into it further, the pictures rally aren't that bad. Of course, I'm not printing off any pictures I take so it's probably why I think they look fine. I'll have to go to the Verizon store to get a hands on with it.
    08-19-2014 10:31 AM
  7. hal Turnage's Avatar
    No the camera is not bad at all! It's fast as hell and zoe's are really cool. Sure it's not a 1020 but when compared to s5 or G3 it can hold its own. I use it now on my M8, and I also have a 152p and 1020.

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    08-19-2014 01:04 PM
  8. maevinj's Avatar
    No the camera is not bad at all! It's fast as hell and zoe's are really cool. Sure it's not a 1020 but when compared to s5 or G3 it can hold its own. I use it now on my M8, and I also have a 152p and 1020.

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    Too bad Zoe isn't on the WP version.
    08-19-2014 01:13 PM
  9. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    No the camera is not bad at all! It's fast as hell and zoe's are really cool. Sure it's not a 1020 but when compared to s5 or G3 it can hold its own. I use it now on my M8, and I also have a 152p and 1020.

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    I've noticed the speed. The second lens also allows it to focus superfast. It's a solid camera. If you want a professional level one, you need the 1020 or 1520. The 1020 takes it's sweet time, but it's worth it.
    08-19-2014 01:17 PM
  10. vlad0's Avatar
    Is Microsoft going to let their other OEMs use Nokia's JPEG processing algorithms ? They own them now so they can do whatever they want..

    Either way, I can't wait to see pics from the WP and the Android version and see which one has better software processing. Same goes for video and audio recording :)
    08-19-2014 01:22 PM
  11. maevinj's Avatar
    I'm officially out on the M8. After seeing the latest article on WPcentral comparing the camera to the Icon and Samsung, it's quite obvious how bad the camera is on the M8.Camera comparison: HTC One (M8) for Windows vs Samsung ATIV SE vs Lumia Icon | Windows Phone Central
    08-19-2014 02:33 PM
  12. vlad0's Avatar
    The theory that HTC is applying to their smartphone cameras is ok, not only resolution (megapixels) is important, sensor size is vital too. Since on a smartphone you have limited space, sensors can't be that big, and so HTC has developed that technology.

    It's something similar to what Nokia did with the 808, they put together 7 pixels to form one, that way they could reach that crazy resolution + quality.

    The main issue with HTC is low light conditions, ultrapixels are bigger and are supposed to catch more light, but that's not the case and lack of OIS make performance even worse.

    Honestly Nokia has just way more experience developing smartphone cameras, even the 520 has a great one.
    Carl Zeiss lens are just wonderful.

    Oh, and your can really notice why HTC used two rear cameras on this pic:
    The size of the sensor is the most important thing.. the bigger the area that can capture light, the better. The pixel size vs. pixel density is an ongoing debate... Nokia went with pixel density, and I think its the right call for mobile devices. There was talk that they will go even further with 60-80Mpix count.

    Most DSLR (Nikon D8xx being the exception) still bet on fewer, but bigger pixels.. generally that gives you better dynamic range and arguably better low light performance.

    So, like most things the best choice is probably somewhere in the middle, but we will have to wait and see.

    You can actually watch how Apple is going to start pushing bigger pixels instead of pixel count with the next iPhone.. going by the rumored Sony sensor, and according to my calculations, the iPhone 6 will come with ~1.9 micron pixels and Apple are going to go on a marketing frenzy.. it will be fun to watch.

    That being said, I expect the new iPhone to perform extremely well.. I expect great dynamic range and decent low light performance. The only question mark is the optics .. that narrow/square look is unacceptable, let's hope they can match Nokia. The other thing is the flash.. no xenon = no flash :)

    Back to the sensor .. just look at this for example

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    Notice how the GS5 had to use a much higher ISO in order to gather similar amount of light compared to the Nokia device.. light gathering ability is very important

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    08-19-2014 03:17 PM
  13. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Um, you know Nokia has been pushing BOTH pixel density and sensor size, right?
    08-19-2014 03:53 PM
  14. jbestman's Avatar
    if you love the htc one camera that's fine mate but a lot of us want the best camera we can get so when we look back in 10 years times we don't think I wish I had my other camera with me , because we had great optics on our phones ;-) you will regret using the htc one in 10/20 years time trust me ;-)
    Sorry, but that is just an ignorant statement. You are assuming that everybody is pixel watching. I own a 1520 and know it captures great pictures. However, not everybody is into getting details of a shot. Some people are more into getting THE MOMENT. As someone that spent a ton of money getting the Canon Mark III for the speed and quality of its pictures, I can tell you that if I am going to hang out with my kids in some random spot, I will love to have a phone like the M8 that autofocuses and captures the shot in less than a second. I cannot begin to tell you how many moments I have missed when using the Lumia 1520. It captures great shots when it captures them but boy, does it take a long time to capture.
    Bottom line, your needs are not the needs of everybody else. You may enjoy taking a stroll and capturing artistic pictures... the Lumia is great for that. However, others may prefer to capture the snort falling off their daughter's nose before it hits the ground and could not care less about the quality or pixel count.
    So, do not tell those people they will regret getting this phone because, you will be wrong. Dead wrong.
    Enjoy your phone. Remember, we all have different needs.
    Matthew Becker1 likes this.
    08-19-2014 03:59 PM
  15. vlad0's Avatar
    Um, you know Nokia has been pushing BOTH pixel density and sensor size, right?
    I was referring to pixel size vs. pixel density .. the last camera phone from Nokia to come with large physical pixels was the Nokia N8 @ 1.75m

    The 808 is at 1.4 ,

    the 1020 is at 1.1

    Let's say that they decide to use the same sensor size as the one in the 1020, but using new tech they manage to push the density in the 60Mpix range.. that would produce pixels in the ~0.7m range, which is crazy :)

    ... so they've been pushing density over size in terms of the actual pixels. There is way more to it that I don't understand, but what I do know is that the bigger the pixels, the bulkier the optics, so in terms of mobile that might be a limitation.
    08-19-2014 08:08 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I played with my friend's M& to test the camera at my pre-b-day bash.

    The Camera is not horrible and it does take great selfies(for that alone it is a plus) but other than that my 1520 beats the snot out of it imo, the back camera is literally Average at best. It may be good for social networking but even then I rather upload a pic from my Lumia vs an m8
    08-19-2014 08:33 PM
  17. cckgz4's Avatar
    As long as it takes great selfies I'm game
    08-19-2014 09:19 PM
  18. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    As long as it takes great selfies I'm game
    Then in that case the superman or whatever it is called is just as good
    08-19-2014 10:23 PM
  19. cckgz4's Avatar
    Then in that case the superman or whatever it is called is just as good

    What's that
    08-19-2014 10:24 PM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    What's that

    That new Nokia phone that's supposed to be the selfie camera
    08-19-2014 10:25 PM
  21. cckgz4's Avatar
    That new Nokia phone that's supposed to be the selfie camera

    Then I guess if the battery is good, ill get it but the boom sound along with the ffc and battery and ir blaster are what's calling to me
    08-19-2014 10:27 PM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Then I guess if the battery is good, ill get it but the boom sound along with the ffc and battery and ir blaster are what's calling to me

    That nokia/Microsoft support is calling me ;) that and HTC proven unreliability with windows phone.
    08-19-2014 10:29 PM
  23. cckgz4's Avatar
    That nokia/Microsoft support is calling me ;) that and HTC proven unreliability with windows phone.

    This is true but this will be outright for me. If they act up and there's a better Nokia phone at the time, ill switch.

    And the dot view case is calling me
    08-19-2014 10:30 PM
  24. Jas00555's Avatar
    Actually, the "Superman" selfie phone is suppose to be the Lumia 730 and will be inferior to the M8 in almost every way.

    Rumored specs of 730:
    540p display
    1GB RAM
    No dedicated camera button
    Snapdragon 600
    6.1 MP camera with mono flash

    Basically, it'll be midrange at best.

    Compare that to the M8 that is very high end with:
    1080p
    2GB RAM
    Also no camera button
    Snapdragon 801
    4 ultrapixel camera with dual light/dark flash

    Cckgz4, unless you need Nokia specific apps or are on a budget, I'd really suggest the M8 as the 730 will be a massive downgrade from it.
    08-19-2014 10:42 PM
  25. Snoops8's Avatar
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    Here are two reasons I require a decent camera on my smartphone. I have a kid. My kid does awesome things at random time. I can't carry my DSLR and my smartphone everywhere we go. Second, I enjoy taking pictures of random things while I'm driving. I can't keep my DSLR in my car because I live in one of the most crime riddled cities in the country.
    I don't expect DSLR quality, but I do expect a flagship phone to have a camera better than my two year old phone. The rumored 820 that is supposedly a mid-level phone has a better Camera than this. It however doesn't have the other specs which is why I am looking at the possibility of getting the W8 I'm not asking for the M8 to have a camera like the 1020, but I think it needs to be something better than what it is. If they release the W8 and it's 99.99 w/2-year contract, then I can handle a lower quality camera. However it will probably be 199.99 with a 2-year and that is unacceptable to me.
    Actually the two reasons you mention favor the HTC One M8 vs. the Nokia 1020.

    1. Since you have a child, you know that your child moves quickly and as you put it, "does awesome things at random time." That being the case, you want quick autofocus, and quick shot to shot times, both of which heavily favor the HTC phone. Not even a close call here.

    2. You mention you like to take pictures while driving. Well I don't recommend driving and taking pictures at the same time, but you probably want a camera that starts up faster and focuses faster if you're going to take pictures with it while operating a motor vehicle.

    I've played with the 1020 before, and while I don't doubt that the camera is very good for a smartphone, it is slow and cumbersome. The 1020 will be better for landscape shots or situations when you can take your time, while the M8 will be better for more spontaneous picture taking or sports/fast activities.
    08-20-2014 02:06 AM
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